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February 23, 2010 6:02:59 PM

I am building a new rig. Where can i improve it?

The specs are:

CPU = Intel i7 920 2.66Ghz
GPU = Ati radeon hd 5970 :o 
Motherboard = ASUS P6T X-58 S-1366
Ram = DDR3 1600MHz corsair xms3 (3x2gb)
Harddisk = 1.5TB Seagate 7200rpm 32MB SATA2
Case = Antec Nine Hundred Two
PSU = CORSAIR HX 850W ATX12V 2.3
CPU Cooler = Coolermaster hyper 212 plus :heink: 
Optic drive = LG GH22LS30 CD-RW/DVD

If you know of any harrdware that is better or cheaper, while maintaining the standards above, please name them.
I will overclock it and use it for gaming.
Will all of the components fit in the case?
Do you know of a better cpu cooler?
Money is not a big issue but be reasonable please.

Thanks in advance. :D 

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February 23, 2010 6:07:12 PM

It helps to have a budget and what you're using it for...

Mobo: Asus P6X58D Premium $310. It has USB 3/SATA III support.
RAM: Corsair is massively overpriced. G.Skill Pi Series 3x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 for $180 would be faster and cheaper.
HDD: Get the Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $95 (or wait the Samsung Spinpoint F3 to be in stock for $5 less)
HSF/Optical: Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus and cheap SATA DVD burner $40
Case: Definitely look into the HAF 922 for $90 after rebate. It's cheaper and a lot bigger.

You might also want to consider sticking in a SSD as the boot/app drive. A 128 GB one is $375.
February 23, 2010 6:13:45 PM

My budget is about 3500$. But i can strech it a little.
I will be using it for hardcore gaming.
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February 23, 2010 6:19:25 PM

Then you put together something that's not that great...

CPU: i7-920 $289
Mobo: Asus P6X58D Premium $310
HSF: Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B $65. Add two 120mm fans to that, so add about $20.
RAM: Mushkin Enahnced Redline 3x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 6 $250
GPU: HD 5970 $650
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB $90
SSD: 128 GB $375
Case: HAF 922 $90 after rebate
PSU: OCZ Z Series 850W 80+ Gold $200
Optical: Either a cheap SATA DVD burner for about $25 or a BluRay reader for about $100 or a BR burner for about $150-200

Total: $2,530 (w/ BR burner). You literally cannot get better than this without wasting another $300+ on the CPU to get nothing more than an overclock.

I recommend grabbing 3 1900x1080 monitors and running them in Eyefinity with the $1,000 that remains...
February 23, 2010 6:22:04 PM

Anyone else with an opinion?
February 23, 2010 6:30:25 PM

If you like the looks of the case you originally selected, go with that.

But honestly, MadAdmiral's build is very, very good. You should probably tack on $105 for Windows 7 64-bit OEM Home.

With any budget over $2000, you should consider getting an SSD for your boot drive, as he has recommended. The CAS 6 RAM he recommended is also pretty much the best available. Mushkin makes the only CAS 6 RAM tri-channel RAM available. (Theoretically, there is a 2x1GB kit that's CAS 6 -- but that would mean buying 3 kits to get 6 GB total, and there's a 2x2 GB kit -- but it's not available on newegg right now and you'd then want to buy 3 kits and install 12 GB.)
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February 23, 2010 6:39:48 PM

The RAM I suggested is very pricey. If you don't want to spend $250 on RAM, here's some excellent G.Skill Pi CL 7 sticks for $180.

I agree on the case. The HAF is ugly, and the 902 is still a good case. It's the one I use. However, you might have some trouble getting the 5970 to fit, so you might want to step it up to the Antec 1200 if looks are worth the extra $60ish...
February 23, 2010 6:50:50 PM

Thank you for the advice so far. Will i be able to install the newest geforce gtx 3xx in the build suggested?
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February 23, 2010 6:53:16 PM

Yep. Just switch the HD 5970 for whatever nVidia finally decides to kick out the door. You might want to wait and check the power requirements if you want to SLI it later...
February 23, 2010 6:58:20 PM

You could wait a week or two and try to nap a C300 from Crucial. It utilizes SATA 6.0gbps and is touted as the fasted SSD on the planet. I believe the 128 gb version should retail at $399 at launch, only a stone's throw away from the P128 price wise.

Also, I've been looking at this for ram for my build myself. CAS 7 for $180 from Corsair. That being said, I am jealous of the $3k you have to spend. I "only" have $2k :p 
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February 23, 2010 7:01:56 PM

That Corsair is the same price. And it's not likely to stay that way. When they brought in the XMS3 1600 CL 7 in dual channel, it was cheap at first, but then the price went up like 10-20%.

I doubt that the new SSD ACTUALLY uses SATA III. It may run with the connector, but I doubt it's speed is true SATA III speeds.
February 23, 2010 7:02:05 PM

Thank you for all the great advice. But does the Asus P6X58D Premium even have SATA 6.0gbps?
February 23, 2010 7:03:36 PM

Yes it does.
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February 23, 2010 7:04:33 PM

Yes.
February 23, 2010 7:05:33 PM

I am blown away by the speed of your answers. Its frikkin amazing!
February 23, 2010 7:05:52 PM

jonezh said:
Thank you for all the great advice. But does the Asus P6X58D Premium even have SATA 6.0gbps?


Yeah, and it stays at SATA 6.0 even if you have a Crossfire/SLI configuration (I learned that a couple days ago) as opposed to scaling back to SATA 3.0 when you use Crossfire or SLI like some of the less expensive mobos at the moment that offer it. To me, it seems fairly future-proof (other than being locked in to the LGA1366 socket, but you find that restraint with any mobo) with USB 3.0, SATA 6.0, Crossfire/SLI, etc.
February 23, 2010 7:12:33 PM

So to recap.
CPU: i7-920 $289
Mobo: Asus P6X58D Premium
HSF: Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B
Two 120mm fans. What are these for Madadmiral?
RAM: Mushkin Enahnced Redline 3x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 6
GPU: HD 5970
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB
SSD: C300 from Crucial
Case: Antec Twelve Hundred
PSU: OCZ Z Series 850W 80+ Gold
Optical: some cheap SATA DVD burner. Im not into BlueRay.

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February 23, 2010 7:18:32 PM

The HS doesn't come with fans. So you need to buy at least one with it, or it's basically useless.
February 23, 2010 7:23:54 PM

Ohhhh. So 2x 120mm fans. one on each side. And i will just be able to plug them to the psu?
Sorry about all the questions, but i am a complete noob at hardware. :sleep: 
February 23, 2010 7:26:23 PM

For 3,500 dollars you can have a sweet rig!! MadAdmirals suggested parts seem to be the best suggestion in here for you. However my personal oppinion on the GPU would be to go with XFX brand for the double life time warranty that also covers overclock. But going with NVidia right now would not be a step in the right direction as ATI has the market locked at the moment.. eventually NVIDA will come out with the 300 and 400 series cards and be back on the map but for now the 5970 has no competition!!!
February 23, 2010 7:30:27 PM

MadAdmiral said:
That Corsair is the same price. And it's not likely to stay that way. When they brought in the XMS3 1600 CL 7 in dual channel, it was cheap at first, but then the price went up like 10-20%.

I doubt that the new SSD ACTUALLY uses SATA III. It may run with the connector, but I doubt it's speed is true SATA III speeds.



No there are no current ssd drives that utilize the SATA III interface "yet" however there is 2 hard drives on the market that do ....


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

February 23, 2010 7:32:25 PM

Im not sure about the hitachi's performance but if it is good then holy cow it blows alot of hard drives out of the water....
February 23, 2010 7:38:33 PM

Here's a link to a review of the Crucial C300 I was talking about.

RealSSD C300 256GB SATA 6G Features

2.5" Form Factor
SATA 6Gbp/s system interface
4.3W/94mW average power (active/standby)
Up to 355MB/s sustained sequential read speed
Up to 215MB/s sustained sequential write speed
1500 G/1ms shock and 2Ghz to 500Hz at 3.1G vibration
0°C to +70°C temperature range
75g weight

I would expect slightly different numbers for the 128 GB version, but still. Not bad. Due on the market this week.
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February 23, 2010 7:44:19 PM

On the Corsair: I'd spend the $20 to get a higher efficiency.

On the newer SSD: I'm naturally wary of anything that's new. I want to see some reviews before recommending.

On the HSF fans: I think they plut into the motherboard, but I can't be positive. I haven't used that specific HSF before.
February 23, 2010 7:52:25 PM

Any idea what 120mm fans i should use?
Because, there are hundreds of options.
February 23, 2010 8:21:44 PM

forget about that, i found one.
Btw what is the difference between the Corsair hx 850 and the OCZ Z Series Gold 850w. The Corsair seems better.
February 23, 2010 8:38:20 PM

they both have a 100,000 hour mtbf

the ocz has a 71 amp 12 volt rail
the corsair has a 70 amp 12 volt rail

the corsair has overvoltage protection
the ocz is not stated to have overvoltage protection

the corsair is modular
the ocz is not modular

the corsair has more 6 pin supports than the ocz

the corsair is 80 plus SILVER certified
the ocz is 80 plus GOLD certified

the corsair has a 7 year warranty
the ocz has a 5 year warranty

corsair has these aprovals=UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick
ocz has these aprovals=UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC

corsair is $179.99
ocz is $199.99

Both are good brands this is the comparison, you make the decision
February 23, 2010 8:41:46 PM

personally the 80+ gold certification is a big plus

but then again i like a modular design

and then again i bought a thermaltake so i have no valid opinion
February 23, 2010 8:52:08 PM

I think i will take the corsair, it is appearently a little bettwe + a little cheaper.
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February 23, 2010 8:52:45 PM

The main difference is that the OCZ is more efficient than the Corsair. Other than that, their very similar.

Just so you're clear on the difference in efficiency, here's a numeric example. Say the computer needs 425W to power everything. With the Corsair's 88% efficiency, it needs to draw 483W from the wall, thus it lets off 57W of heat into the system. The OCZ's 90% efficiency means that it only draws 472W, letting off 5W less of heat. While this doesn't seem like much, keep in mind that is happening all the time.

Higher efficiency means a lower power bill and a longer lasting unit, as there is less fatigue from the excess heat.
February 23, 2010 9:02:56 PM

jonezh said:
I think i will take the corsair, it is appearently a little bettwe + a little cheaper.


hmmm....
Better is a matter of opinion.. Like I stated the ocz has 80+ GOLD certification and has a better efficiency rating while the corsair has better user features like modular cables and more 6 pin adapters. so one could say the ocz performs better while the corsair is more user friendly. and if you purchase for warranty than it is corsair... however keep in mind what MadAdmiral is saying about heat... You want less heat in your system that should be a goal!!
February 23, 2010 9:13:35 PM

I have read some reviews of the corsair, and i must say that i am so impressed with it that my mind cannot be changed!
February 23, 2010 10:08:34 PM

ok that is your choice... I have no doubt that you will have a decent rig. good luck
February 23, 2010 10:17:17 PM

Hmmmm. The promalithech cooler isnt available in any store in Denmark. Are there any other decent cpu coolers?
February 23, 2010 10:39:02 PM

And niether is the Mushkin Enchanted Redline 6gb 1600hrz
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February 24, 2010 12:04:35 AM

Then a much cheaper cooler is the Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus.

Any 3x2 GB kit of 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 sticks would do. The Mushkins are the only CL 6 sticks out.
February 24, 2010 6:24:08 AM

Hmmm. I found these.
Ram = OCZ Platinum XTC 1333mhz Latency7-7-7-20
When i overclock it it will be 1655mhz.

I am thinking of choosing the Cooler Master V8 as cpu cooler. I think that it is a good idea to have a good, powerfull, big cooler. I such a large case. (Altec 1200)
:D 
February 24, 2010 7:00:48 AM

Hey, I am very new to this forum and TH. I posted a little while ago about buying a new system. I just wanted to thank everyone giving advice here as it has helped me immensely. Have a great day, thank you again all.
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February 24, 2010 5:59:08 PM

The Cooler Master V8 isn't a very good cooler. It only has average performance for a ridiculous price. The Hyper 212 Plus that MadAdmiral suggested would be a much better option IMO.
February 26, 2010 8:08:22 PM

Yeah, i have chosen that one instead.
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