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Windows7:hard drive failure,(smart disabled) + RawReadErrorRate

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March 6, 2012 6:32:19 PM

Yesterday i got a popup from win7 telling me my HDD is failing backup now etc.

I did not have S.m.a.r.t enabled in the bios,
now i do

i downloaded Western Digital Life Dataguard Diagnostics

The full system scan came out clear (2 hour scan)
the quick scan gives me an error

Now i enabled S m a r t, and before and after i did that in the smart area of the program it says

Raw Read Error Rate ID:1 Value (in red):200 Threshold: 51 Worst:1 Warranty: 1

Ill add pictures to send it with, i am backupping some important files at the moment wich is also going to take some time.
Ps the HDD survived CHKDSK, Defragmentation, WD full hdd scan.

My question is ,

i dont have money atm for a new hdd,
is it going to die ?
can i resolve this.
is it software glitch?

keep in mind that smart was disabled when i got the popup from windows, (offering me to back it up ASAP or turn of my pc)

Hope u can help me .

Greetings

Cm0sCm0s
a b $ Windows 7
a b G Storage
March 6, 2012 6:44:45 PM

Sometimes the SMART program can be wrong.

However - it's hard to say. HDD's can pretty much die at any time (actually any device can). It's quite hard to tell whether or not your HDD will die...

How old is your HDD, was it second hand or brand new?

If your HDD really is about to die...I would suggest making sure it's getting enough cooling in your case - or even have an internal fan pointing towards it.

Have you tried shutting down your computer, and disconnecting/reconnecting your HDD (both the power, and sata cable)? Sometimes a loose cable can cause "problems".
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March 6, 2012 6:54:37 PM

i think its from 2006or7 i had it in my old e6600 system.

saying this feels dumb.. its ancient
March 6, 2012 6:59:23 PM

And my hdd does not go over 30degrees i have a gigantic fan right next to it
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a b G Storage
March 6, 2012 6:59:34 PM

Alright well that is an old HDD. I would back up anything you need. It is highly possible your HDD could die any time now (especially if it's 6 years old now).

Like i mentioned though - the more you can cool your HDD - the more life you should be able to get out of it.

You might want to limit defrags on your computer for now...and only do them when you absolutely have to. Defrags can be hard on a HDD (due to the moving parts inside).
March 6, 2012 7:12:58 PM

Is the Raw Read Error Rate connected to Temperatures?
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March 6, 2012 7:16:51 PM

cm0scm0s said:
Is the Raw Read Error Rate connected to Temperatures?


Possibly, if your reading actuator arm inside the HDD is missing reading bits - that means it has to go over the same spot of the platter to try and re-read the data - that would definately cause a little more heat (but not much compared to the whole HDD itself). It may also point to a problem with the reading actuator arm - which pretty much cannot be fixed.
March 6, 2012 7:28:49 PM

Chainzsaw said:
Possibly, if your reading actuator arm inside the HDD is missing reading bits - that means it has to go over the same spot of the platter to try and re-read the data - that would definately cause a little more heat (but not much compared to the whole HDD itself). It may also point to a problem with the reading actuator arm - which pretty much cannot be fixed.


I guess i have no choice but to buy a new hdd tomorrow, wich is a shame because i wanted a ssd but that wont be it now . too small too expensive

wich one of these programs do u think i should use? http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2008/09/05/5-free-app...

my plan is to copy my entire hdd inclusive windows,

i have no dvd drive at the moment. and im not planning on buying one, so i need an exact duplicate of my current hdd.

freeware software is what i'm looking for
a b $ Windows 7
a b G Storage
March 6, 2012 7:30:45 PM

+1 cm0scm0s

the drive has about 5 years: it's been used and will start to degrade more and more.

you better start piling up 100$ for a new drive.

It can last for a while but most likely will fail soon with that kind of error.
a b $ Windows 7
a b G Storage
March 6, 2012 7:34:24 PM

I've heard Easeus works well. However I do not do much cloning myself of HDD's.

That sucks if you wanted to get an SSD....I mean it might be possible your HDD could last you another 1-2 years, however it would suck majorly if it died out of nowhere and you lost everything.
March 6, 2012 7:37:41 PM

dextermat said:
+1 cm0scm0s

the drive has about 5 years: it's been used and will start to degrade more and more.

you better start piling up 100$ for a new drive.

It can last for a while but most likely will fail soon with that kind of error.


its now 22:34 in the evening

im not going to sleep im taking the bus ASAP to get a new hdd ,
i was saving for ssd but ****it

do u recommend any of these freeware software programs for a identical copy of my hdd inclusive windows ?
(see previous reply)
March 6, 2012 7:39:36 PM

Chainzsaw said:
I've heard Easeus works well. However I do not do much cloning myself of HDD's.

That sucks if you wanted to get an SSD....I mean it might be possible your HDD could last you another 1-2 years, however it would suck majorly if it died out of nowhere and you lost everything.


it would i have got more than 50 nostalgic games from the 90's till now on my pc wich are hard to come by

extremely rare tabs and sheet music for the guitar and piano

and offcourse my work and music collection (music collection attempt #1 after my previous windows died and the hdd would not load anymore ...DEJA VU ?)

ill try ur program can i run it in windows ?
March 6, 2012 8:07:53 PM



i have some issues deciding the right hdd i want to buy ,

i see here refurbished hdds only 3 month guarantee so thats not going to fly,
also 5400 rpm is too slow for me so i need 7200 rpm

but the price ranges vary and they sell 100's of different one's

what MS and Cache should i take ?

i need 400+ gb and i want to spend 100euros maximum

als i am a gamer, for example battlefield 3 etc..

ive sorted these 3,5 inch sata discs by price inclining but i dont know whats crap and whats not ,

anyone here with free time who could point me in the right direction ?

here is the store/list

http://www.alternate.nl/html/categoryListing.html?cat1=...
March 6, 2012 8:11:48 PM

i like this one .. i guess Modelnaam
ST31000524AS

Serie
Barracuda 7200.12

Bouwvorm
3,5 inch

Capaciteit
1.000 GB

Interface (intern)
Serial ATA/600

Stroomaansluiting

SATA power (15-polig)

Transferrate
tot 125 MB/s (lezen)

Snelheid
7200 rpm

Toegangstijd
8,5 ms (lezen), 9,5 ms (schrijven)

Cache
32 MB

Geluidsproductie

Standby 25,0 dB(A)
Gebruik 27,0 dB(A)

Stroomverbruik

Lezen/Schrijven 9,4 Watt
Rust 5,0 Watt

Sectorgrootte
512 Byte

Schokbestendigheid

max. 70 G in 2 ms (gebruik)
max. 350 G in 1 ms (uitgeschakeld)

Gewicht zonder verpakking
640 g

Formaat (BxHxD)
102 x 26 x 147 mm

Garantieperiode
36 maanden
March 6, 2012 8:16:34 PM

Chainzsaw said:
I'm guessing you don't want to go lower than 1TB right?

This seagate barracuda looks good:

http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Harddisks_3,5_inch...

I've had seagate before and they are decent HDD's.


lol i had the same idea,

i guess it will be that one then :) 

u think its possible for me just copy my os to and ssd later on ?
a b $ Windows 7
a b G Storage
March 6, 2012 8:19:21 PM

cm0scm0s said:
lol i had the same idea,

i guess it will be that one then :) 

u think its possible for me just copy my os to and ssd later on ?


Haha great minds think alike :p 

You should able to copy your OS to an SSD later on. It should be workable though, but might be a little bit of a pain.
March 6, 2012 8:29:47 PM

Chainzsaw said:
Haha great minds think alike :p 

You should able to copy your OS to an SSD later on. It should be workable though, but might be a little bit of a pain.


haha agreed ,

ah well bring the pain :p 

btw , a small question

my currect hdd is sata-150 the new one is sata-600

im guessing no speed increase because of the read and write speeds?
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March 6, 2012 8:33:46 PM

cm0scm0s said:
haha agreed ,

ah well bring the pain :p 

btw , a small question

my currect hdd is sata-150 the new one is sata-600

im guessing no speed increase because of the read and write speeds?


You might get a slightly higher burst rate due to the onboard Cache, however it will be minimal and will drop down to lower speeds once it normalizes the transfer (within a few seconds) - not even a modern HDD can top out a sata 150 connection (well some can, but generally HDD's speed are around 100-150MB/s reads).
March 6, 2012 8:54:14 PM

Chainzsaw said:
You might get a slightly higher burst rate due to the onboard Cache, however it will be minimal and will drop down to lower speeds once it normalizes the transfer (within a few seconds) - not even a modern HDD can top out a sata 150 connection (well some can, but generally HDD's speed are around 100-150MB/s reads).


i cant wait to get the sdd , u think its safe for me to play a few matches of bf3 now ? , im getting my new hdd in 8 hours
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a b G Storage
March 7, 2012 12:50:21 PM

cm0scm0s said:
i cant wait to get the sdd , u think its safe for me to play a few matches of bf3 now ? , im getting my new hdd in 8 hours


Hey sorry for not getting back to you right away, I was building my new computer :) 

But yeah it should be ok to play some games.
March 8, 2012 4:36:26 PM

Chainzsaw said:
Hey sorry for not getting back to you right away, I was building my new computer :) 

But yeah it should be ok to play some games.


my friend i have ordered my HDD

i did not get the seagate 1tb because it was 109 euro's
and for 115 euro's i bought the exact same model only with 2tb.

now waiting for it to come in the mail.

it will be super duper troublesome to back that thing up once its full lol
!