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February 24, 2010 7:21:28 PM

Hello just wanted to first introduce myself to the forums. I am majoring in computer science and I love computers although I'm not currently the best with them yet. Still learning. Anyways I am planning on building a new pc specifically for gaming and video editing.


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: BUDGET RANGE: $800-950.

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, Video Editing/Rendering, Internet, Programming C++., watching movies.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, (anywhere really that has a good price) COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: Core i7 860 processor

OVERCLOCKING: Yes
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:

Hardware I have planned right now:

CPU: Core i7 860
(I can get for $265.00)
--$265.00

MOBO: ASRock P55 Extreme LGA 1156 $
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
--$139.99

Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
--$104.99


Video Card: SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770
--169.99 - 10.00 Rebate..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: Western Digital 500 GB Caviar Black
--$65.99
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B001GQYYS...

PSU: hec X-Power Pro 650 650W Continuous
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
--$44.99

Case: Antec Three Hundred Gaming
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000GQMHB...
--$54.95

Heatsink: ZEROtherm CORE92 Socket 1156/1366 HDT Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
--$31.99


total Cost: $866.90 or $841.99 if i use xeon x3440.

I heard of the xeon x3400 as well I was wondering how good this processor is for gaming compared to the core i7 860. The x3400 is about 25 dollars cheaper than the i7 860.

Also as far as the HEC PSU goes how is the quality if it's not good can anyone recommend me one for a cheap price.

Thanks everyone!
February 24, 2010 7:31:23 PM

You absolutely NEED to ditch that POS PSU. A quality unit will have active PFC, at least 80+ certification, and most of its output on the 12v rail. The best brands are Corsair, PC Power & Cooling, Seasonic, and the Antec EA and TP series. OCZ and the lower Antec models are a step down, but still way better than that HEC model. Here's a low-cost OCZ PSU.

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply $59.99 w/promo code EMCYNNP27, ends 3/1 - $25 MIR

Here's a combo deal with the above PSU and an XFX 5770.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

The WD drive is considerably slower than the 500GB/platter Samsung F3 and Seagate 7200.12 drives. Here's a cheaper, faster drive.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $54.99
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February 24, 2010 7:33:30 PM

1) I would switch the HDD as well. Switch it to the Samsung F3 Spin point or Seagate 7200.12

2) PSU for the Budget probably Antec or OCZ PSU they are usually the cheaper of the higher quality manufactures. However DO NOT SKIMP on your PSU it is one of the most important peices of hardware in the box.

Other then that Mad Admiral probably already posted a whole build while I was typing this out.
February 24, 2010 7:39:13 PM

What resolution does your monitor run at? I like the choice of the i7 860 for the video editing/rendering use. The gaming performance of the 5770 is going to depend entirely on your monitor resolution.
February 24, 2010 7:43:09 PM

MEh, for games i would rather 5850+i5-750 vs i7-860+ 5770. Also,He could OC the i5-750 to i7-975 leverls of prefomance easy, with the cooler i linked.
February 24, 2010 7:45:32 PM

I understand what you're saying for GAMES. The thing is, this is not a strictly gaming PC. Video editing/rendering software make good use of the hyper threading of the i7 chips. You need to look outside gaming performance every once in a while. People do use computers for more than just playing games.
February 24, 2010 7:46:07 PM

Well if i do alot of video editing ect which from my knowledge it does benefit from HT but would it still be worth it to go i5 instead of i7. I mean i7 looks good on paper especially if i want to run some pretty heavy demanding programs. I love gaming too so i want the best of both worlds. thanks for hte info about the PSU and HDD. I never heard of that PSU before so didn't know the quality guess the price was too good to be true for that amount of wattage. Also about the xeon server processor am i better going with that if i want to get a lower price and still stick with the benefits of HT or is ithe CPU not very good for gaming.
February 24, 2010 7:48:39 PM

We still need to know what resolution your monitor runs at. If it's a high resolution monitor, then you probably would be better going with the i5/5850 setup. Like I said, that all depends on your resolution. It's the most important factor to consider when deciding what GPU you need.
February 24, 2010 7:50:38 PM

My work blocks the images posted by Whitefang, so I'm not sure what his builds look like. :( 
February 24, 2010 7:51:54 PM

I appreciate the links Whitefang just I have never had good luck with AMD based computers for what ever reason. I would much rather spend a little extra money to get an intel because I have yet to have a serious problem with them.
February 24, 2010 7:52:15 PM

At 16xx a 5770 will be just fine if you decide to upgrade to a 19xx+ res monitor the 5770 might not cut it anymore.
February 24, 2010 7:52:16 PM

Meh, it htink he should stick to p55 for video encoding. I like AM3 when gaming is the only factor, but when other things get involved, p55 is the way to go for the low end. Also, i play at 180x1050, and my 4870 1gb, wich is a bit faster than the 5770, and it can't even max out some games, like Crysis, or MW2 when I force 32AA in CCC.
February 24, 2010 7:53:01 PM

No that's not a low end AM3 mobo. And it's not a slow CPU

Anything above 3.0 ghz for a quad BARELY effects gaming performance.
Dual 8X8 crossfire, DDR3 1666, 790GX.
Only thing "Low end" about it that it doesn't support USB 3.0

Screw off builderbob.
February 24, 2010 7:55:29 PM

Dual 8x8x xfire= Low end. As in, low end boards such as all p55s, and Low end crappy AM3 boards.

CPU= Much slower than i5-750.

"Barley affects gaming"- thats nice, but he's doing other stuff to, and even the 965 loses to the 750 at gaming, which is it's strong suit, and it gets blown away at other things, and the 965 is much faster than you're cpu. Stock to i5-750, that mobo you picked out, and a 5850.
February 24, 2010 7:57:20 PM

How is dual 8x8 low end? What do you want? Dual 16X16? Have fun with that 2% increase in gaming performance.
February 24, 2010 7:58:01 PM

A little common sense would tell you that the GPU won't max out games when you "force 32AA in CCC". Who in their right mind would do that, especially on Crysis? 8AA is usually what sane people use, maybe 16 depending on the game.
February 24, 2010 7:59:17 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
A little common sense would tell you that the GPU won't max out games when you "force 32AA in CCC". Who in their right mind would do that, especially on Crysis? 8AA is usually what sane people use, maybe 16 depending on the game.


I use 4x aa in crysis, and my 4870 struggles with that. I use 24x AA for MW2 online, and 32x aa for ofline.
February 24, 2010 8:00:23 PM

The Xeon chip would work just fine. You just need to make sure your motherboard BIOS supports it.
February 24, 2010 8:00:46 PM

By the way the 965 does not lose to the I-5 750 at gaming. They are almost identical.
February 24, 2010 8:01:27 PM

whitefang said:
By the way the 965 does not lose to the 965 at gaming. They are almost identical.


I agree. That might be the first correct thing you have said in a while.
February 24, 2010 8:02:09 PM

And you have yet to say anything correct. Mr. 4870 > 5770
February 24, 2010 8:02:23 PM

As usual these days, I agree with shortstuff. For all those non-gaming uses, I'd also choose the i7/860.
If I were the one buying, I'd probably choose that same ASRock mobo, and an Antec 550W Truepower New (or splurge on a Seasonic 80+ gold X-650). I haven't seen any 500GB Spinpoint F3s available at Newegg lately, so I'd probably choose a Seagate 7200.12 over a WD Black (but have used both successfully).
I like the external SATA drive bay on the Antec 200, but I prefer the aesthetics of the Antec 300.
I just upgraded to a 1920x1080 monitor, and my "lowly" HD4850 hasn't suffered for it yet with the relatively undemanding games (e.g. Guild Wars) I play. Choose a video card based on resolution and benchmarks.
February 24, 2010 8:05:29 PM

whitefang said:
And you have yet to say anything correct. Mr. 4870 > 5770



The 4870 will get better FPS than the 5770. But let's no turn this thread into a flamewar, I conceed that at the current Newegg prices, (Note that i said Newegg, not Ebay/Craiglsidt where the 4870 is 50-30$ cheaper than the 5770), the 5770 is the better buy right now.
February 24, 2010 8:06:26 PM

I'm sorry I'm a bit confused now lol. Ok so as far as processors I really would like to stick with a CPU that has HT. I know core i5 are great for gaming but that is not my main concern as far as what I plan on doing. I do alot of intensive HD video editing.

So i guess my question now is should i go with xeon x3440 or core i7 860 as far as overall price/performance with gaming and video editing and why?
February 24, 2010 8:11:06 PM

I can understand how you're confused. These threads usually take a nose-dive once Builderbobftw starts with his rants.

I would get the i7 860 if at all possible. The reason is that it will work with virtually any motherboard and has a higher clock speed. The Xeon chip isn't a bad second option, but you may run into compatibility issues. Most boards should work fine with the Xeon chips, but it's something to keep in mind. If the budget can stretch to the i7 860, get it, otherwise the Xeon will work just fine.

Here's a nice chart that points out the different clock speeds of the i5/i7/Xeon chips.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

The i7 860 is certainly the way to go IMO. It's max turbo speed is 3.46GHz, while the Xeon X3440 only goes up to 2.93GHz max. That's a pretty big difference for $40. :) 
February 24, 2010 8:12:10 PM

I don't like Xeons. I rember when a company my dad use to work with, )with, not for) bought a HP Dual Zeon 3.4ghz 7,000$ computer in 2002, and that was a huge fail. It was like a cross bewteen an Atomic bomb, a fire, a helicopter, and a jet fighter, with all the heat and noise that comes with those.
February 24, 2010 8:16:37 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
I can understand how you're confused. These threads usually take a nose-dive once Builderbobftw starts with his rants.

I would get the i7 860 if at all possible. The reason is that it will work with virtually any motherboard and has a higher clock speed. The Xeon chip isn't a bad second option, but you may run into compatibility issues. Most boards should work fine with the Xeon chips, but it's something to keep in mind. If the budget can stretch to the i7 860, get it, otherwise the Xeon will work just fine.

Here's a nice chart that points out the different clock speeds of the i5/i7/Xeon chips.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

The i7 860 is certainly the way to go IMO. It's max turbo speed is 3.46GHz, while the Xeon X3440 only goes up to 2.93GHz max. That's a pretty big difference for $40. :) 



Ok really much appreciated I think I will stretch the extra dollar and get a 860 then. Thanks you very much for the info
February 24, 2010 8:16:40 PM

builderbobftw said:
I don't like Xeons. I rember when a company my dad use to work with, )with, not for) bought a HP Dual Zeon 3.4ghz 7,000$ computer in 2002, and that was a huge fail. It was like a cross bewteen an Atomic bomb, a fire, a helicopter, and a jet fighter, with all the heat and noise that comes with those.

What does an HP system from 2002 have to do with this system? Those old Xeon chips have nothing in common with current chips, besides their name. Please try to do a little research so you know what you're talking about before spouting off garbage that just confuses the OP. The Xeon LGA 1156 chips are virtually identical to their desktop equivalent.
February 24, 2010 8:19:43 PM

One more question is the ATI 5770 the best option for 159.99 i could maybe squeeze it by 180.00 if it's a huge performance increase.
February 24, 2010 8:21:50 PM

No there's no GPU for $180 unless you go Nvidia which is a bad option
February 24, 2010 8:22:09 PM

I would stick with the 5770 considering your use and monitor resolution. The next logical step up is the 5850 which costs $300.
February 24, 2010 8:22:39 PM

Uh, if you're ok with buying used, the 4890 is 150$ on ebay. Other than that (sigh) go with the 5770.
February 24, 2010 8:24:53 PM

Ok thanks guys appreciate you have been very helpful I'll try to get a new updated build and post it here.
February 24, 2010 8:27:15 PM

I'm certainly not OK with buying somebody's leftovers. Who knows what kind of abuse a used computer component has seen. I would never consider buying used computer parts, no matter what the seller claims.
February 24, 2010 8:38:26 PM

If the part fails, the seller has to take it back, or paypall will return the money. Also, why would it be abused? Why would someone abuse thier own part? They would want it to work, so they can sell it later... I bought a EAH4870 1gb for 93$ of ebay, and it's awesome, can do 32x AA in MW2, offline.
February 24, 2010 8:39:19 PM


CPU:Core i7 860
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-INTEL-CORE-i7-860-2-80GHz-1156-...
$262.99

MOBO:ASRock P55 Extreme LGA 1156 $
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813157172
--$139.99

Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231277
--$104.99

Case: Antec Three Hundred Gaming
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ [...] R&v=glance
--$54.95

Video Card/PSU:

combo deal with OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply and an XFX 5770.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.329244

$219.98 -25.00 MIR


HDD:SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB SATA2 Hard Drive NEW

http://cgi.ebay.com/SAMSUNG-Spinpoint-F3-HD502HJ-500GB-...

$54.95

Heatsink:COOLER MASTER Hyper 212

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
29.99+7.56 S/H

875.40-25(MIR)=850.40
February 24, 2010 8:41:15 PM

A lot of noobs try to overclock components without knowing what they're doing and damage hardware. If you're OK with buying used components, go for it. I know I certainly never will.

Anyway, this isn't helping the OP. I think he's pretty much set now.
February 24, 2010 8:52:15 PM

Ok thanks guys for all the help I think I'm going to order the parts this weekend. Just want to make sure everything is good.
February 24, 2010 8:53:50 PM

Most of the links in the latest build are broken, but the build looks good. Let us know how it goes!
February 24, 2010 8:56:58 PM

Alright will do thanks guys!
February 24, 2010 9:23:19 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
A lot of noobs try to overclock components without knowing what they're doing and damage hardware. If you're OK with buying used components, go for it. I know I certainly never will.

Anyway, this isn't helping the OP. I think he's pretty much set now.


If the hardware was damaged, and i doubt many people are that stupid, the buyer has to take it back.
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