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February 16, 2010 5:59:35 AM

Currently on a 8800gt 512mb for a few years now and E6850 processor...looking for a nice upgrade to last me for the next few years. Any suggestions? Trying to keep budget within 400-500 bucks combined. I'd like to be good on running games like FF14 coming out and some other graphic hungry games. Thanks! Although im looking for an upgrade, I must say alot of games still run real nicely at 1920x1080 resolution with my 8800gt...

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February 16, 2010 6:36:16 AM

IMO, there is no need for you to upgrade. I would keep it at least one more year and save up towards a better upgrade.

E6850 is slightly worse than E8400 which is good enough for any current video card.

However, you would like to get a HD5850 if you want to play at high settings under 1920x1200 or higher.
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February 16, 2010 6:49:43 AM

the processor will probably be fine, if you aren't expecting maxed settings and massive frame rates.

but if your PSU can handle it, a GPU upgrade would allow you to play the latest games at fairly high settings.

something like a 5770 or 5850 would keep you set for a long while.
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February 16, 2010 7:59:26 AM

HD 5850 since you can afford it .
And an aftermarket cooler to OC the heck out of the processor ;) 

What PSU you have? Since your PSU can handle 8800GT it should be able to handle a 5850.
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February 16, 2010 8:27:55 AM

Yeah, your processor is still pretty nice, even at stock. If you can OC it then that's even better.
If you think your 8800GT is still performing pretty well even at 1920x1080 then you should probably just grab an HD5770 for about $150. Hold on to your current system, it should be good for another year+ and you'll have time to save up more for a better new system when you do need it.
The HD5770 will be over 50% more powerful than the 8800GT at your resolution. When you do upgrade your system you can get a crossfire motherboard and grab another one. Two in crossfire will give you performance similar to an HD5870.
Another option is to wait a bit until the HD5830 comes out as it may be a very nice choice for its price. Or just get the HD5850. It all depends on what you want to pay for what level of performance. All three should be decent option for their price at your resolution.
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February 16, 2010 8:42:17 AM

No need to upgrade the VGA at all, it is a fairly great card and can hold up easily another 2 years, but you can use a better CPU a quad core from the same socket would be a bargain.
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February 16, 2010 8:48:04 AM

kikireeki said:
No need to upgrade the VGA at all, it is a fairly great card and can hold up easily another 2 years, but you can use a better CPU a quad core from the same socket would be a bargain.

Um....no. The CPU is fine, it's a rather high end dual core and a quad core that will give better gaming performance would actually be fairly expensive and only a marginal improvement. The video card on the other hand is quite weak for his resolution. It would be cheaper and easier to upgrade and will definitely improve gaming performance by a large amount.
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February 16, 2010 9:18:48 AM

kikireeki said:
No need to upgrade the VGA at all, it is a fairly great card and can hold up easily another 2 years, but you can use a better CPU a quad core from the same socket would be a bargain.



8800GT won't handle games at 19X10 for 2 years...

CPU is fine.8800GT should be replaced first. :D 
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February 16, 2010 9:40:10 AM

shubham1401 said:
8800GT won't handle games at 19X10 for 2 years...

CPU is fine.8800GT should be replaced first. :D 


8800gt will stay at the same performance level for 95% of the games untill next generation xbox and playstation ( and their games ) are out.
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February 16, 2010 9:44:23 AM

^the remaining 5% games are the latest ones?
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February 16, 2010 10:14:31 AM

shubham1401 said:
^the remaining 5% games are the latest ones?


95% of the coming games not all time games, and 5% ( maybe less ) are the coming pc exclusive untill next generation xbox and playstation.
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February 16, 2010 12:54:13 PM

shubham1401 said:
8800GT won't handle games at 19X10 for 2 years...

CPU is fine.8800GT should be replaced first. :D 



^ dualblade has said it all.
PC exclusives are seized to exist even the next Crytek engine will be console optimized and Epic games has no plans to give away UT3 engine anytime soon and Capcom's upcoming PC games are console imports, and the same can be said about EA games. SEGA and Konami games are console exclusives and those are the biggest players in gaming business. so could you tell me why would I need the latest high end card to run games that work on a 6 or even more years old VGA?
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February 16, 2010 1:35:05 PM

Thanks for the replies guys, yeah all the recent games I've been playing like Mass effect 2 or bioshock 2 has been running fairly smoothly at 1920x1080 with no lag. The small number of games like Arma 2 will lag for me however at high settings, I looked that 5800 series but I hear there is a new line up of nvidia cards coming up and I've never really bought an ATI. How are the nvidia looking compared to the 5800's? I did do a comparison of my processor to the i7 using the comparable chart and it seems my professor is just slightly slower and not enough to warrant an upgrade really in terms of gaming.
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February 16, 2010 5:09:59 PM

I wouldn't say "just slightly slower" than an i7 but it's still definitely good.
I wouldn't wait of the Nvidia cards. You won't know how long you will be waiting, what you will pay and for what.
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February 17, 2010 1:27:33 AM

kikireeki said:
^ dualblade has said it all.
PC exclusives are seized to exist even the next Crytek engine will be console optimized and Epic games has no plans to give away UT3 engine anytime soon and Capcom's upcoming PC games are console imports, and the same can be said about EA games. SEGA and Konami games are console exclusives and those are the biggest players in gaming business. so could you tell me why would I need the latest high end card to run games that work on a 6 or even more years old VGA?



But still, you can't play all games at 1920X1080 resolution with an 8800GT(I have the same card BTW).Just see the benchmarks for various games at 1920X1080 .

We are not simply talking about running a game. We are talking about running it at a certain resolution with eye-candy.

Hope you're getting my point buddy :) 
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February 17, 2010 1:00:25 PM

shubham1401 said:
But still, you can't play all games at 1920X1080 resolution with an 8800GT(I have the same card BTW).Just see the benchmarks for various games at 1920X1080 .

We are not simply talking about running a game. We are talking about running it at a certain resolution with eye-candy.

Hope you're getting my point buddy :) 


if you are talking about high, one of my friends has hd 4670 and can run all games at high ( including crysis , stalker clear sky and arma 2 - dx9 ) at 1920 x 1080 with frames around 30 most the time, but if you talk about ultra or very high ( not much difference - maybe no difference at all in some games ) then a 1.3-1.5 the strenght of 4670 ( 8800gt ) will be good enough, but if you have the money and only want to spend it ( playing the games for only graphics not the gameplay ) then wait untill the next nvidia cards are out as this will reuce the ati dx11 cards prices a lot.
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February 17, 2010 1:11:18 PM

Your friends HD4670 must be magic then because even much more powerful cards struggle with those games at that resolution.
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February 17, 2010 2:42:59 PM

I'm playing Crysis these days and with all settings at high and no AA I get 30Fps at 1600X900.

Sometimes it even lags a bit like in intense fight.

And My 9800GT should be more powerful than a HD4670.

8800GT can't run those games at that resolution buddy.I have the same card and i'm telling by my experience. :) 

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February 17, 2010 2:47:21 PM

dualblade said:
if you are talking about high, one of my friends has hd 4670 and can run all games at high ( including crysis , stalker clear sky and arma 2 - dx9 ) at 1920 x 1080 with frames around 30 most the time, but if you talk about ultra or very high ( not much difference - maybe no difference at all in some games ) then a 1.3-1.5 the strenght of 4670 ( 8800gt ) will be good enough, but if you have the money and only want to spend it ( playing the games for only graphics not the gameplay ) then wait untill the next nvidia cards are out as this will reuce the ati dx11 cards prices a lot.




See how 9800/8800GT is crawling at that resolution in the benchies:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
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February 17, 2010 3:08:31 PM

shubham1401 said:
See how 9800/8800GT is crawling at that resolution in the benchies:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...


i didnt say maximum ( for stalker and arma only default high - which is only normal in advanced screens - not very high or ultra and for crysis at dx 9 high at 20 frames - which is as good as 25-30 in most other games ) and sure a lot of games with no AA which is not important at this resolution.
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February 17, 2010 3:28:24 PM

What;s your budget?
Do you have an SLI board? Then you can simply dump a second 8800. Two 8800, even now, pack quite a punch.
Else, get a 5850.
Or if you already have a board which supports CFire, either dual 5770's/4870's. Ignore DX11, you'll need a lot of GPU muscle to run DX11 for an almost negligible difference in visuals.
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February 17, 2010 6:46:00 PM

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Ignore DX11, you'll need a lot of GPU muscle to run DX11 for an almost negligible difference in visuals.

You say this based on what exactly?
Actually don't answer because I know where you get it from. Dirt 2. Yeah, let's all judge exactly how much graphics will be improved by DX11 and how much of a performance hit it will cause based on the first game to poorly implement it! Let's also ignore the other DX11 games which show a performance increase or no hit. That makes a ton of sense :pt1cable: 
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February 17, 2010 7:41:47 PM

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You say this based on what exactly?
Actually don't answer because I know where you get it from. Dirt 2. Yeah, let's all judge exactly how much graphics will be improved by DX11 and how much of a performance hit it will cause based on the first game to poorly implement it! Let's also ignore the other DX11 games which show a performance increase or no hit. That makes a ton of sense :pt1cable: 


dx11 will be like dx10 ( untill new generations of xbox and playstion ) for now all games are dx9 with few touches of graphics of the new dx version, and will will not lose any thing in the gameplay/look of the game even if you only have dx9 card.
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February 17, 2010 10:16:34 PM

dualblade said:
dx11 will be like dx10 ( untill new generations of xbox and playstion ) for now all games are dx9 with few touches of graphics of the new dx version, and will will not lose any thing in the gameplay/look of the game even if you only have dx9 card.


such a bold claim from someone who obviously knows nothing about the API.

DX11 is vastly more of an upgrade than DX10 was. its already being supported by the majority of major game devs, and is very exciting to work with not only for the wealth of visual improvements it can make, but the huge performance gains it can provide.

hardware tessellation alone is enough to warrant the implementation of dx11.

not everything in the pc world is dictated by the progression of consoles. and as much as console ports are becoming more common, ever single major advance in graphics processing comes from the PC hardware side, and dx11 is one of these.
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February 18, 2010 12:18:56 AM

dualblade said:
i didnt say maximum ( for stalker and arma only default high - which is only normal in advanced screens - not very high or ultra and for crysis at dx 9 high at 20 frames - which is as good as 25-30 in most other games ) and sure a lot of games with no AA which is not important at this resolution.



No they are not the maximum/ultra settings.
They are 'HIGH' settings with no AA and 9800GT gets 25fps average.

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February 18, 2010 12:20:53 AM

dualblade said:
dx11 will be like dx10 ( untill new generations of xbox and playstion ) for now all games are dx9 with few touches of graphics of the new dx version, and will will not lose any thing in the gameplay/look of the game even if you only have dx9 card.



:lol: 

+1 to welshmousepk
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February 18, 2010 7:19:47 AM

shubham1401 said:
No they are not the maximum/ultra settings.
They are 'HIGH' settings with no AA and 9800GT gets 25fps average.


maybe a faulty 9800gt or maybe weaker processor, or tell you what maybe the internet reviews are all fake to make you get nvidia sh** :) 
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February 18, 2010 7:22:49 AM

welshmousepk said:
such a bold claim from someone who obviously knows nothing about the API.

DX11 is vastly more of an upgrade than DX10 was. its already being supported by the majority of major game devs, and is very exciting to work with not only for the wealth of visual improvements it can make, but the huge performance gains it can provide.

hardware tessellation alone is enough to warrant the implementation of dx11.

not everything in the pc world is dictated by the progression of consoles. and as much as console ports are becoming more common, ever single major advance in graphics processing comes from the PC hardware side, and dx11 is one of these.


so you say a 50% performance hit is good for just 10% difference in image quality, and dx11 is dx10 upgraded ( upgraded tesselation version and upgraded compute shader................... ) so what do you expect from the same ( or upgraded ) api, do you think they will waste a lot of money for the most pirated platfom ( as they say ) the pc ???!
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February 18, 2010 7:36:22 AM

dualblade said:
maybe a faulty 9800gt or maybe weaker processor, or tell you what maybe the internet reviews are all fake to make you get nvidia sh** :) 



Read the article carefully...
There are more than 1 9800GT in the benchmark. All can't be faulty :kaola: 

And they are using a Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme QX9770 @ 3.852Ghz Which is not a weak processor at all.
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February 18, 2010 8:11:30 AM

shubham1401 said:
Read the article carefully...
There are more than 1 9800GT in the benchmark. All can't be faulty :kaola: 

And they are using a Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme QX9770 @ 3.852Ghz Which is not a weak processor at all.


it is getting 23 in crysis at 1920x1040 ( but crysis is as good as 25-30 when only getting 20 which i said before )
50 in devil may cry 4 at 2560x1600
60 in call of duty 4 at 2560x1600
18 in world in conflict at 2560x1600 ( but acual gameplay gives 1.5-2x the benchmark numbers and for strategie games you only need to be able of moving units and screen which is good at 15 as it is not a shooter )

so 9800gt/8800gt is great at high resolutions ( especially without AA which is not needed at higher resolutions )
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February 18, 2010 8:38:22 AM

dualblade said:
it is getting 23 in crysis at 1920x1040 ( but crysis is as good as 25-30 when only getting 20 which i said before )
50 in devil may cry 4 at 2560x1600
60 in call of duty 4 at 2560x1600
18 in world in conflict at 2560x1600 ( but acual gameplay gives 1.5-2x the benchmark numbers and for strategie games you only need to be able of moving units and screen which is good at 15 as it is not a shooter )

so 9800gt/8800gt is great at high resolutions ( especially without AA which is not needed at higher resolutions )



I Quit :sarcastic: 
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February 18, 2010 11:07:26 PM

dualblade said:
so you say a 50% performance hit is good for just 10% difference in image quality, and dx11 is dx10 upgraded ( upgraded tesselation version and upgraded compute shader................... ) so what do you expect from the same ( or upgraded ) api, do you think they will waste a lot of money for the most pirated platfom ( as they say ) the pc ???!


you are making up numbers entirely. go home.

until we see a game that was actually built on DX11, we obviously aren't going to see the same results as a last minute addition of dx11 effects.

when dx11 is fully incorporated, its more likely to be a 50 percent improvement in visual quality, with a 5 percent decrease in performance.

or a 10 percent visual increase, and a 10 percent performance increase.

dx11 is more than some fancy visual effects, its a whole new way to process data without adding a huge workload to a GPU, and sometimes even REDUCE the workload.

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February 19, 2010 3:15:56 AM

+1 to welshmousepk again.
@Dualblade
You are really making up the numbers.

And who uses a faulty video card or weak processor in a benchmark?
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February 19, 2010 7:48:22 AM

no one will see dx11 pure games untill the ps3 and x360 are dead and their new generations are out, devellopers will not spend lots of money on new engines just for pc games, they will wait untill next generation untill they release new engines.
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February 19, 2010 10:49:39 AM

dualblade said:
no one will see dx11 pure games untill the ps3 and x360 are dead and their new generations are out, devellopers will not spend lots of money on new engines just for pc games, they will wait untill next generation untill they release new engines.


you are beginning to embarrass yourself.

you may really want to stop posting at this point.
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February 19, 2010 1:48:56 PM

welshmousepk said:
you are beginning to embarrass yourself.

you may really want to stop posting at this point.


and what's wrong with my posts what i am saying is at least 95% of games are bound to dx9 engine ( x360 and ps3 ) is this wrong ? do you see a lot of pc exclusive games ? do you see a newer directx than dx9 exclusive game ( except shattered horizon ) ?

when you answer me you will find your answer .......
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February 19, 2010 6:47:59 PM

dualblade said:
and what's wrong with my posts what i am saying is at least 95% of games are bound to dx9 engine ( x360 and ps3 ) is this wrong ? do you see a lot of pc exclusive games ? do you see a newer directx than dx9 exclusive game ( except shattered horizon ) ?

when you answer me you will find your answer .......


DX11 cards have been available for 3 months. so obviously, there are few games using it.

you are saying that DX11 is pointless, and no one will implement it. not only is that claim obsurd, but you are basing it on the fact the gamin revolves around the consoles.
just because more money is made on the consoles, and the large developers focus on them more, that doesnt change the fact the it is PC hardware and software that pushes the industry forward.
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February 19, 2010 7:36:43 PM

dualblade said:
and what's wrong with my posts what i am saying is at least 95% of games are bound to dx9 engine ( x360 and ps3 ) is this wrong ? do you see a lot of pc exclusive games ? do you see a newer directx than dx9 exclusive game ( except shattered horizon ) ?

when you answer me you will find your answer .......

Everything you are saying applies to DX10 as well. Is a DX10 card also useless?
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February 19, 2010 7:36:45 PM

welshmousepk said:
DX11 cards have been available for 3 months. so obviously, there are few games using it.

you are saying that DX11 is pointless, and no one will implement it. not only is that claim obsurd, but you are basing it on the fact the gamin revolves around the consoles.
just because more money is made on the consoles, and the large developers focus on them more, that doesnt change the fact the it is PC hardware and software that pushes the industry forward.


this isnt what i meant, what i mean is dx11 will be like dx10 a small graphics upgrade and they will put it in a lot of games like dx10 but it will not be something revolutionary untill it is pure dx11 game not a dx9 game with some dx11 enhancements, which means the games will not lose the feel of the graphics strrength when switching to dx9 from dx11, you will lose only few and really few bonuses,in mature dx10 games like crysis, bioshock 2, assasins creed.... the graphics enhancements are all negletable and developeres removed dx10 completely from some sequels like call of juarez and assasins creed because they know dx10 wad only to make new dx10 card sell and they can make better looking games with only dx9 ( not that its bad but its not its time as dx9 dominates ) and the same will be for dx11 untill we see new engines with dx10-11 pure graphics ( lets say unreal engine 4 ) with the next generation xbox and ps, and it will be all about effeciency ( which is missing now because the dx code is not pure ), which means what we heard about dx10 before it is released ( fast rendering compared to dx9 ) will be true then.

remark: for crysis it was easly hacked to enable all graphics options in dx9, even crytek enabled all very high options in the expansion crysis warhead.
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February 19, 2010 7:39:48 PM

DX11 is a more serious upgrade to the API than DX10. DX10 was also lock into a rather unpopular OS(Vista.) Expecting either developer support/adoption or the graphical difference to be similar isn't appropriate.
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February 19, 2010 8:20:30 PM

dx11 is an upgrade to dx10 its main features are tesselation and compute shaders and multi processing, the last feature is for all hardware starting from dx9 ( multi core cpu and gpu ), compute shader was used by nvidia in an older form ( cuda ) and tesselation was first introduced in dx10 before it was removed ( it is stiil availble in ati hd 2000+ in an older form ), so why do you expect dx11 to be successful ? keep in mind windos 7 will be successfull because it is good not because of dx11, and widows vista was bad because of its low performance not because of dx10, yes newer dx version is used by microsoft to sell newer windows but it doesnt mean we will see important upgrades.
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