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February 26, 2010 6:54:08 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: sometime in the next week (2/26-3/5)
PRICE RANGE: $2000-$2200
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, watching video/movies, some video editing, some music editing
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS - I already have an external 1TB drive
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: US
PARTS PREFERENCES: Intel i7 CPU, ATI GPU
OVERCLOCKING: Maybe
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes - Crossfire
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080, 1920x1200
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: a quiet pc would be nice :-)

Got my tax return and its time to retire my old 3.2GHz Intel PC. It's been 6+ years since my last home build. I've been looking through newegg and I was hoping for some feedback on the parts I've selected. I've been reading a lot of the posts on here and I think I've come up with a pretty solid system. Any input would be really appreciated! Note - I've included the shipping costs where applicable.

Current build total - $2137.51
Now $2169.01 with Asus mobo
Now $2171.78 with 5970 GPU
Now $2101.78 with Samsung HDD
Now $2214 with SSD + CD/DVD no Blu-ray

CPU - Intel Core i7-920 2.66GHz Model BX80601920 $288.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooling - Scythe MUGEN-2 SCMG-2000 120mm Sleeve $42.55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooling - Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus $42.55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - x2 HIS H585F1GDG Radeon HD 5850 (CypressPro) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 $655.72
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - 100280OCSR Radeon HD 5970 (Hemlock) 2GB 512(256 x 2)-bit GDDR5 $658.49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - Corsair CMPSU-850HX 850W $191.82
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo - EVGA E758-TR 3-Way SLI LGA1366 IntelX58 $278.49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo - P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 $309.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM - Mushkin Enhanced Redline 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 Cas-6 $249.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD - WD VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10000RPM SATA 3.0Gb - $159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD - Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s - $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD - OCZ Vertex OCZSSD2-1VTX60G $174.00 (After MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BD - Samsung Blu-ray combo drive SH-B083L/BSBP $84.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD - LITE-ON CD/DVD iHAS124-04-OEM $23.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case - Cooler Master HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP $187.97
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
February 26, 2010 7:05:54 AM

hello,

this seems like a pretty solid build to me,
though i'd personally prefer an Asus mobo.
but i guess that varies from person to person.

have fun with you new pc :) 

regards,

michael_92
February 26, 2010 7:09:55 AM

I thought I read somewhere that some Asus mobos have issues with Corsair PSUs. That's why I went with EVGA...
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February 26, 2010 7:12:43 AM

i don't have a corsair PSU so i'm unable to say whether this is true or not.
but the increase in performance would be minutely small.
i'd stick with the build you have now
February 26, 2010 7:17:21 AM

Yeah, there are X58 boards out there that still have SATA-III and USB 3.0 and other enhancements. In for a pound, eh?

I know what you are thinking though. Solid, popular gamers board. It is.

But EVGA makes great mobos and they have decent support. They often sell x2 "EVGA" branded cards (in combo deals) along w/their mobos ... No finger pointing.

PSU is the perfect size ... so long as the connectors are matched to the cards. you WILL have enough juice for that 3rd card, should the burning yearning urge arise.

Looks faboo. Can I have one ?

= Al =
February 26, 2010 7:25:34 AM

why don't you grab a 5970 ? It will leave your crossfire option open for a later addon and you'll have the same perf on a single card for about the same price as 2x5850 ...
February 26, 2010 7:31:04 AM

yeah ... 5970 is what? $200 more than his orig spec? (5850)

He said he was willing to turn the AA off ... Sure wont have to with 5970 .

= Al =
February 26, 2010 8:52:54 AM


That looks like a great setup, only thing I would add if it was me, would be to get a case to store it all. ;) 

If you are not going to overclock, there is no reason for you to get the aftermarket cooler.
February 26, 2010 12:35:37 PM

Thanks for the great feedback! I added the case - HAF 932. It was already in the total but I forgot to put it in the parts list. Also went with the Asus P6X58D Premium mobo - it costs only a few $$ more but future proofs a bit with USB 3.0 & SATA 6Gb/s. Finally, good point on the GPU. Switched up to the 5970 for a couple of $$ more and that leaves me open for CrossFire down the road with the same power as I had before. That still leaves the total build cost under $2200!

Now I just gotta wait for the 5970 to be in stock...
February 26, 2010 12:41:16 PM

No one mentioned anything about the over priced Velociraptors the OP was going to buy?

If I where you I would get rid of the Velociraptors and switch to the Samsung Spinpoint F3 model HDD. You would save a lot of money and lose absolutely no performance.

February 26, 2010 12:51:39 PM

I went with the WD Velociraptor 'cause the 10K RPM. Do you think there's much difference between the 7200 and 10K?
February 26, 2010 12:54:13 PM

I wasn't planning to go SSD because of the $$. That's more than double the cost of the 10K WD Velociraptor. I'm trying to keep the build at or below $2200.
February 26, 2010 1:02:13 PM

Look at the Chart

Should pretty much answer the question... :) 

So for the money that puts you closer to getting a SSd as well.
February 26, 2010 1:05:18 PM

I like them ...

Folks around here (some) think VRs are a waste of money ... And, with each passing day their position grows stronger.

I now am hawking SSds (even tho smaller) for the same reasons I USED to hawk the VRs Premium speed !

VRs make a very decent boot drive. They spin up faster and are better at random R/Ws which is perfect for a boot drive. 1TB 7200 (the higher density drives, over 600GB) are a better value for media content up to 25Mb/sec (like a hi-end consumer camcorder.).

SSDs ? ... Well, I have been waiting for SSDs MY ENTIRE LIFE ! SSDs are (I remember) like when we finally ditched magnetic tape and the "Winchester Drive" (First Consumer HDD), a 5MB boat anchor the size of a file box, came along.

SSDs are like that perfect girlfriend that was worth the wait ... Wish she wasn't so expensive but, at least, she is low maint.

I hate RAIDS ... I mean they are cool because they are complicated and faster but BELIEVE me you don't want RAID-0 as a boot drive.

There will be newer and denser (600GB) VRs, out this fall, and they WILL have the same "Perpendicular Record" high density (and stream rate) that it's 1TB & 2TB siblings now possess.

= Al =

February 26, 2010 1:09:35 PM

And, the VRs (and traditional RAIDS) are getting squeezed out by Perpendicular and SSD drives. Even when the perpendicular VRs do come out, WD is gonna have to lower the price (some) ... That niche the VRs have been living in is getting much tighter, all the while.

= Al =
February 26, 2010 1:26:07 PM

Well the 7200 Samsung does beat out the 10K WD VC in avg read/write throughput. Plus more storage and less $$. :p  Added to build. Now the trick is if/how to fit in SSD AND keep the the cost down...
February 26, 2010 1:31:26 PM

BTW, I'm not familiar with OC'ing. I haven't done it before. Can I OC with the build I have or would I need to upgrade to DDR3 2000 RAM?
February 26, 2010 1:33:59 PM

For an os and a couple of programs just get a 60-80 gb SSD. I would not go any lower then that. SSD's loose performance the closer it get to hitting max storage. I believe it is about 20% or so of free space that is recommended to keep free.

OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX60G 2.5" 60GB SATA II

Maybe something like this. 175 after MIR

Do you really need a Blue Ray player?

Also If you switch the Hyper 212 plus for cooling you will save another 10 bucks.

The Hyper 212 plus is a Frosty Tech top 10 cooler and is probably the best bang for your buck when it comes to cooler?
February 26, 2010 1:46:27 PM

Strictly my own creed but, pin count and cores and caches are (collectively) more important than actual clock-rate. Just like this phrase I love "More memory will make your system faster than faster memory" , I would do better to adress the glaring bottlenecks, in a system, before throwing much effort into tweaking the "motor". If you put a DAYTONA class engine in a VolksWagon Beetle, you are not goin' anywhere fast. (Something about the suspension)

You are right about the Samsungs. I can take an extra sip of coffee while they reach speed. NBD. An excellent value and I hope to own a whole stack of them.

Hey, not to "harp" or anything but, speaking of Samsung . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26enkCzkJHQ

=
February 26, 2010 1:49:54 PM

I can drop the BR player. The Hyper 212 Plus - with shipping - comes out to the same price as the Scythe Mugen, but the 212 has better reviews. If I add the SSD and count the MIR, that puts me right on the $2200 line.
February 26, 2010 1:57:17 PM

Well, if you are where you wanna be, with better stuff than you started with, ... I'm happy. We're happy ... You are happy.

One more little item that your system NEEDS . . . . . . . . . me.

Fun!

= Al =
February 26, 2010 1:58:15 PM

Alvin Smith said:

One more little item that your system NEEDS . . . . . . . . . me.

Fun!

= Al =


No way Al it needs me....lol
February 26, 2010 8:52:27 PM

osu43130 said:
Look at the Chart

Should pretty much answer the question... :) 

So for the money that puts you closer to getting a SSd as well.


I am sorry, but in what way does that chart say that a VelociRaptor would be a bad choice for a system drive?
February 26, 2010 9:24:12 PM

1. Case / PSU Combo - For $134 savings, consider the Antec 1200 / CP-850 combo. The THG review on the cases has the case pretty even and while the Corsair HX and the Antec CP are a match electrically (both get a 10.0 perofrmance rating from jonnyguru), the CP is quieter and makes silentpcreview.com's Editor's Choice List

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article971-page7.html
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_PSUs

MoBo - Solid Choice

2. The 930 is "supposed" to be released by Monday.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-s-Core-i5-i7-Roadm...

3. Memory - Especially since your choice is outta stock, consider the same memory with the Ascent Liquid Coolers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4. GFX Cards - Will fermi's release kick down the 5970's price (now at $100 over MSRP) ?

5. Heat Sink - Pick one from the top three here:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Heatsinks
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSI...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

6. TIM - pick one from the top three here:
http://www.hwreviewlabs.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/therma...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

7. HS fans - if it doesn't come so equipped, if fan noise bothers you, keep rpm's below 1200 rpm.

8. SSD - Vertex2's have knocked Intel off the No. 1 performance Spot and should be on store shelves within 2 weeks.

9. Hard Drives - Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The WD Black 2 TB is a good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):

(http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)

10. With the money you save on the case / PSU, put the Blue Ray back in.
February 26, 2010 9:30:55 PM

munsonman1 said:
BTW, I'm not familiar with OC'ing. I haven't done it before. Can I OC with the build I have or would I need to upgrade to DDR3 2000 RAM?


I have Asus MoBo, same CPU and RAM (w/ Ascent Coolers) and I'm have various OC profiles.... 3.7 Ghz (52C avg core temp under P95) - 4.0 - 4.4 GHz (70 - 72 avg core temp under P95) . Use the OC Guide below:

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&id=...

However, you are gonna want a top notch cooler for those kinds of levels.....I'm using the Prolimatech Shadow w/ IC Diamond 7 karat TIM and twin Enermax magma 125 mm fans at 80% of full speed. If I had to 'do it over.....

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8807/cpu-pro-01/Proli...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7038/thr-41/Innovatio...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10026/fan-639/Scythe_...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8418/cab-150/FrozenCP...
February 26, 2010 9:53:18 PM

I second that the Prolimatech Megahalems is a top cooler, I am using it with Arctic Cooling MX-3 (metal-free, non-electrical conductive and no cure time) with great success.
For fans I have the Noctua P12 but they are kind of expensive, so not fans I would recommend.

But unless you are going for a large overclock, the Cooler Master 212 Plus would be cheaper and serve you just as well as the Prolimatech Megahalems.
February 26, 2010 10:42:01 PM

I had just read the release on the 930 ... I was left with the impression that it will kill-off the 920 and I was also left with the impression the it might not be nearly as condusive to "easy O.C.ing" ... Finally, there is all this hybernation and deep-sleep crap (lots of snore modes) that I don't want complicating my endeavors to milk the 920.

It seems like everyone has recognized that a 920 makes way more sense than its big brothers and I could see how Intel my want to slam that door shut, to dissuade folks from getting the same, for less.

I was going to wait till August to build, because I want to test all components together, under warranty. RAM is going to be getting more and more expensive until (I'm guessing) next summer 2011, because pent up business demand is going to start sucking it up (hard) this fall.

Further, I have just read that Gulftown has hit the German channel (early) and is pre-selling in excess of $1,400 USD. That is prohibitive, for me. Might as well go with dual Xeon Bloomfields. And, while I am certain that the street pricing will fall rapidly, for Gulftown, I cannot see it ending up much below $900 USD.

With ALL that in mind, AND with my wanting a (soon to release) new 5870E (6xDP) Eyefinity card (for 3x1080P editing), I have devised a new "timing strategy".

. . . It is that, I shall wait for Gulftown's release (930 too?) and hope that the price on 920s will drop of before the channel dries up and 920s disappear, altogether!

I am worried because every time an outstanding value CPU, such as the 920, comes along, it seems that INTEL is pretty quick to snuff it out. The Northwoods dried up overnight, when Prescott released, and prescotts (the early ones, anyway) Really sucked. And history repeats it's self because the early P4s really sucked (quite literally, due to "Deep Pipeline Sucking") which was a problem with the slower < 2.4GHz runs.

So ... I am gonna keep a VERY sharp eye on 920 pricing and availability. The 920 does what I need to do (editing up to 50Mbits/sec with 3x HD displays), at stock-clock, pretty well so ... I can limp on a 920 until 8-core Gulftowns are mainstream (couple of years?).
And, even in 2 years, I can do a "cheap" build, with my old 920 and have a whopping HTPC or college system, for my daughter.

= musing =
February 26, 2010 10:46:44 PM

AMD Radeon HD 5870E6
March 1, 2010 5:47:35 PM

930 hit newegg last night for $298
March 1, 2010 8:43:04 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
1. Case / PSU Combo - For $134 savings, consider the Antec 1200 / CP-850 combo. The THG review on the cases has the case pretty even and while the Corsair HX and the Antec CP are a match electrically (both get a 10.0 perofrmance rating from jonnyguru), the CP is quieter and makes silentpcreview.com's Editor's Choice List

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article971-page7.html
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_PSUs

MoBo - Solid Choice

2. The 930 is "supposed" to be released by Monday.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-s-Core-i5-i7-Roadm...

3. Memory - Especially since your choice is outta stock, consider the same memory with the Ascent Liquid Coolers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4. GFX Cards - Will fermi's release kick down the 5970's price (now at $100 over MSRP) ?

5. Heat Sink - Pick one from the top three here:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Heatsinks
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSI...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

6. TIM - pick one from the top three here:
http://www.hwreviewlabs.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/therma...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

7. HS fans - if it doesn't come so equipped, if fan noise bothers you, keep rpm's below 1200 rpm.

8. SSD - Vertex2's have knocked Intel off the No. 1 performance Spot and should be on store shelves within 2 weeks.

9. Hard Drives - Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The WD Black 2 TB is a good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):

(http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)

10. With the money you save on the case / PSU, put the Blue Ray back in.


Thanks a LOT to everyone for all of the great feedback and help! Truely appreciated!

I went with the new 930 i7 that came out last night. Newegg finally had the Sapphire HD 5970 in stock - so got that as well. Also went with the Antec 1200 / CP-850 combo to save some $$. The only thing that I noticed was for the RAM - "Please note modules are wider than standard memory and are not designed for a 6 module configuration. For 6 module configuration, please see part number 998691."
March 5, 2010 2:46:04 AM

Yes, that's tru.....they do fit on my MoBo but your mileage may vary.....use the 998961's if your concerned but I can't see many applications using 12 GB.
!