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Computer will be used for gaming and learning to over clock. I will do crossfire later on. Everything is going into a 932 HAF im painting it black and green. This will only be my 2nd build first build still being shiped so im a noob.

1) Whats some good ram for this build that will work well with the MB. i guess at 1600?
2) Is that a good hard drive other people have told me to use it, whats so good about it?
3) I need a good cpu cooler i was thinking the cooler master hyper 212 i want to put green fans on it.
4) I heard alot of people same the sound card with the crosshair 3 MB sucks. is this true?
5) I have not found much about the XFX psu is it good? i picked cause the combo deal.

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

ASUS Crosshair III Formula AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.332651

XFX HD-585A-ZNBC Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB Black Edition 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported ... - Retail
XFX P1-750B-CAG9 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.326298

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

ASUS VW246H Glossy Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 ASCR 20000:1 (1000:1) Built-in Speakers - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236049
 
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What are you doing with the build? What about a budget? Chances are we can give you a much better build than this for the same or less...

1.) CL 7 1600 mhz Ripjaws $115

2.) It uses 500 GB platters. The larger platters (the discs the data are stored on) mean the data is stored more densely, allowing the drive to read/write it faster. In addition, the larger platters mean you need fewer of them. Fewer platters mean fewer heads, which means they run cooler and quieter. It's also possible that the fewer moving parts decreases the chance of failure, but that's not proven.

3.) Just paint the fins. You're not going to find a green HSF anywhere...

4.) No idea. But that's not a good buy. Get the much cheaper, much more future proof Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4.

5.) XFX is new to making PSUs. I'm weary of them, but a review has been good. I'd stick to the cheaper Corsairs, Antecs, Seasonics and Silverstones. There are a lot of good combos with the HD 5850 and 5870 w/ PSUs (like this one or this one).

Some other notes. First, the X4 965 is basically just a factor overclocked X4 955. Save yourself the few bucks and get the cheaper one. Second, if you're using this for gaming, I HIGHLY recommend fitting in the HD 5870. Drop the CPU all the way down to a X3 425 if you have to (in a combo with the board I mentioned for $197).
 
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Why is that MB better sorry just really been stuck on getting the crosshair 3.
Also is the 5870 really that much better then the 5850 to pay 70$ more for it?
So i can do just as good with the 955 as the 965 the price is only like 15$ more
 
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It's cheaper for one. Second, it has USB 3/SATA III support. So when the new external and internal devices get a full speed upgrade, you can use it. It's supposed to be like 10x faster.

The difference between the two is that the 5870 can play every game at max details at full HD resolutions. The 5850 struggles with a few of them. Once DirectX 11 comes into full use and games require more GPU power, the 5850 will quickly fall behind.

Yes. If you got the 955, you could very easily do a mild overclock on the stock cooler and essentially have a 965 for less.
 
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3) I need a good cpu cooler i was thinking the cooler master hyper 212 i want to put green fans on it. Here is a listing from Newegg.com on "Green" fans... http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010090573+1372726538&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=573&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=Green
 
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ok and whats the difference in the cypress cards i would like to get a xfx for the life time warranty
 
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I don't agree with MadAdmiral on the X3. Stick with the 965 BE 125W, or drop down to the 955BE which is currently at a pretty good price. tecmo34 correctly pointed out the difference between the two 955s. As for the 5850, it's not too far behind the 5870. It is shorter and overclocking it will help. Personally I'm looking at the 5850 Toxic edition. Then again I'm looking at a 5850 because a 5870 wouldn't fit in my case ^_^
 
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The difference between the two is that the 5870 can play every game at max details at full HD resolutions. The 5850 struggles with a few of them. Once DirectX 11 comes into full use and games require more GPU power, the 5850 will quickly fall behind.
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the difference is not that big, if you OC the 5850 to 5870 frequencies, they'll penform very, very close

it also depends on what res you're at, 1920*1200 and higher the 5870 is a better option, 1080p or lower, the 5850 is better, look at the benchmarks and you'll see that the 5850 scales better at lower resolutions.

the difference between an OC 5850 and a 5870@ 1680*1050 is almost none, so if you have 1920*1080 or lower, get 5850, if 1920*1200 or higher AND it can fit your case, go for 5870
 
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It's not hard to get the 5870 to fit in a case. It's not super long. I believe it measures in at about 10.75". I know it can fit in an Antec 300.

As for comparing an OCed 5850 to a 5870, you would certainly get better performance once you push the card. However, you can also OC the 5870, likely to a much higher level than the 5850. So the point doesn't matter. You need to compare apples to apples, so either compare them at stock (which all benchmarks do), or compare OCed to OCed. Either way, the 5870 is a lot better.

@megaman: You can disagree with the X3 all you want, but gaming doesn't require a massive CPU. It requires as powerful a GPU as you can get. So it makes sense to sacrifice a high end CPU for a much cheaper one if it means you can get a bigger GPU. You need to improve the build's bottleneck if you want more performance.

As for spending more for a "Toxic" edition, that's retarded. You give them more money to overclock the card in the factory. You can do that yourself with 3 clicks of the mouse (literally) with ATI's Overdrive software. To have them do that, they want $50. You might as well pay another $50 on top of that to get a better GPU.
 
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I know you looking at the 6 GBs SATA and the USB 3.0 But the fastest SSD drives out that are reasonbly priced cant even saturate the 3GBs SATA so 6GBs not necessary. As for the USB 3.0 not widely used yet and you can always get a expansion card down the road if it you need they wont cost much.
 
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Thx i guess this is what im going with so far.

1) I still need a good psu that can handle crossfire for 2 5870.
2) does samsung have a HD like the one i pick thats 500g?
3)Is that a good monitor?

ASUS Crosshair III Formula AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.332651

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGMBOX - Retail
XFX HD-587A-ZNF9 Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card ... - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.326000

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Sony Optiarc DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model AD-7241S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long ... - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.343531

ASUS VW246H Glossy Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 ASCR 20000:1 (1000:1) Built-in Speakers - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236049
 
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I still think you should get the Gigabtye GA-790XTA-UD4 board. No only do you save $50, you get a more future proof board. Yes, right now USB 3/SATA III isn't that useful. However, if you remember what it was like trying to use USB 1 when USB 2 was out, you'd agree that it's worth it to avoid that painful experience. There are already SATA III HDDs coming out now, so I fully expect them to be in use in a year or at most two years. I don't see the logic of paying $50 more for a non-USB 3/SATA III board AND THEN having to pay another $30 or so for the add on card later. It just doesn't make sense...

A 1900x monitor is what you want.

You do not need a 1000W PSU. No one needs that much power. 1000W is enough power to Trifire 5970s (six total GPUs) or quadfire 5870s. It's just not worth the huge premium.

The problem I have with the Corsair units at 850W is that the TX isn't even 80+ Certified, so its very inefficient (more heat, more fatigue). The HX is expensive compared to other very high quality units in that range. The one I like to recommend at that range is the Silverstone 850W 80+ Silver for $150. It's one of the most efficient (there's an OCZ Z Series 80+ Gold for $200), it's one of the cheaper units, and it's made by a high quality manufacturer.

Another thing to mention is that you don't need 850W to power two 5870s. 750W would be more than enough. I believe that even with OCing and Crossfire, you have to add 5 or 6 SATA devices and have 35% capacitor aging to even be close to maxing 750W at 100% load.. Here's a great GPU/PSU combo that would save you about $35 over the GPU/CPU combo you have: HD 5870 and Antec Earthwatts 750W for $460 after rebate.

Samsung has the best HDDs right now, but the 500 GB version of the Spinpoint F3 is getting tough to find. A very similar performing HDD is the Seagate 7200.12. It should be about the same price as well.
 
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