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HD 5870 vs HD 4870 CROSSFIRE

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February 17, 2010 6:57:34 AM

Well i currently own the HD 5870
and at the moment i have the best pc at school.
but my mate has got his hands on a HD 4870 and is planning on crossfiring it
his card is this one http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/VGA/Products_Overvi...
Will his setup be better? as in was this upgrade for him better in performance and price than me?
What would get a better 3d mark vantage score?
ty guys

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a c 169 U Graphics card
February 17, 2010 7:43:01 AM

HD 5870 performs pretty much like 2 HD 4870s in CrossFire so the performance will be the same
February 17, 2010 7:51:08 AM

In addition one HD 5870 less consume than two HD 4870
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a b U Graphics card
February 17, 2010 8:00:59 AM

Lol...Are you jealous?


Tell him the power consumption advantage.Show him the temps of your card.
February 17, 2010 8:12:19 AM

If you want keep the gold medals about the performance, go buy HD 5970

Consumption 2*HD 4870 : 206 watts (iddle) and 556 watts (load)
Consumption HD 5870 : 144 watts (iddle) and 326 watts (load)

keep your HD 5870 moreover X-fire HD 4870 it's very noisy
a c 169 U Graphics card
February 17, 2010 9:06:28 AM

clement4413 said:
In addition one HD 5870 less consume than two HD 4870

Yup in terms of power consumption 1 HD 5870 is better
February 17, 2010 9:11:59 AM

According to TOM: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-graphic...

Quote:
Two Radeon HD 4890 cards should, on average, perform on par or better than a single GeForce GTX 295, and will definitely beat out a single Radeon HD 5870. Plus, these Radeons cost less than either option. If you have a CrossFire-compatible motherboard and want some serious performance at high resolutions, this route is the way to go.


Hence, I guess 2xHD4870 should at least perform on par with HD5870 if not better.
a c 169 U Graphics card
February 17, 2010 9:26:23 AM

This review compares HD 5870 with a 4870X2:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5870,2422...
"he board consistently beats Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 285, trades blows with the Radeon HD 4870 X2, and is sometimes able to sneak past the GeForce GTX 295. "
So 2 HD 4890s beat 1 HD 5870 but 2 HD 4870s perform like 1 HD 5870(in some games the 5870 may have a slight average and in some games 2 HD 4870s may have a slight average)
February 17, 2010 11:17:09 AM

Do you have a crossfire mobo? If you do, start saving for another 5870 just to give your friend the good old what for.
a b U Graphics card
February 17, 2010 11:27:30 AM

The 5870 will be better than 2 x 4870's in time as well, Better drivers and will nudge it forward past it.
February 17, 2010 3:10:38 PM

With the new drivers that ATI is promising, you might be able to CF the 5870 with the 4870... that's still a ways off, but something you might think about.
a c 169 U Graphics card
February 17, 2010 3:46:48 PM

That's not possible and i don't think it will be possible with future drivers as well
February 17, 2010 6:40:56 PM

Well thanks guys, im just the guy with the best pc atm at my school.
would he get a better 3dmark vantage score?
my score is 18672
Thanks
a b U Graphics card
February 17, 2010 6:43:44 PM

well, it all depends, all scores are different, even if the same components are used for both PC's.

What are your PC specs and what is his PC specs???
February 17, 2010 7:21:36 PM

shubham1401 said:
Lol...Are you jealous?


Tell him the power consumption advantage.Show him the temps of your card.

Abit if he beats my performance since i spent 600 on the 5870 and he spent like 90 on his second card..
a b U Graphics card
February 17, 2010 7:25:13 PM

who the hell spends $600.00 on a 5870? they only cost $399.99...
February 17, 2010 8:49:18 PM

Me, im from australia.
February 17, 2010 8:59:00 PM

jonpaul37 said:
well, it all depends, all scores are different, even if the same components are used for both PC's.

What are your PC specs and what is his PC specs???

Mine are
i7 920 oced t 3.4ghz (notctua nh u12p)
6gb ddr3 ram 1033mhz 7-7-7-16
1tb 7600rpm hdd
gigabyte ud4p mobo
powercolor hd 5870
cm storm sniper
pc power n coolng 750 watt

His
amd phenom ii 965 be (3.4)
4ddr2 800mhz
some gigabyte mobo
HD 4870 crossfire
itb 7600rpm
unknown case
750 watt psu
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2010 12:19:59 AM

^Don't worry yours is still better ;) 
February 18, 2010 1:13:33 AM

Maziar said:
That's not possible and i don't think it will be possible with future drivers as well

actually just read an article saying that ATI is working on a driver that will allow you to crossfire different generations of GPUs (I believe in CPU or Maximum PC)
February 18, 2010 1:24:40 AM

Yeah I read that article too, on more than one site.

Looks to be a ways off, but they are promising a lot more than I'm willing to expect.
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2010 2:02:40 AM

I recommend two 4870s if you want performance and bang for the buck, if you want efficiency and got a bit more money to burn, 5870 should be your choice. If you want Eyefinity, 5870.
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2010 2:45:44 AM

clement4413 said:
If you want keep the gold medals about the performance, go buy HD 5970

Consumption 2*HD 4870 : 206 watts (iddle) and 556 watts (load)
Consumption HD 5870 : 144 watts (iddle) and 326 watts (load)

keep your HD 5870 moreover X-fire HD 4870 it's very noisy



That's total system power, the 5870 is supposed to draw only 27W in idle.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643&p=26
So 141-27 = 114W of system total.
4870X2 - 204-114 = 90W at idle.
90 - 27 = 63W difference at idle.
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2010 12:29:11 PM

rhysdalegend said:
Mine are
i7 920 oced t 3.4ghz (notctua nh u12p)
6gb ddr3 ram 1033mhz 7-7-7-16
1tb 7600rpm hdd
gigabyte ud4p mobo
powercolor hd 5870
cm storm sniper
pc power n coolng 750 watt

His
amd phenom ii 965 be (3.4)
4ddr2 800mhz
some gigabyte mobo
HD 4870 crossfire
itb 7600rpm
unknown case
750 watt psu



Yours is better
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2010 12:31:16 PM

microterf said:
actually just read an article saying that ATI is working on a driver that will allow you to crossfire different generations of GPUs (I believe in CPU or Maximum PC)



Intel also worked on a little project called larrabee, that didn't turn out too well... Just saying, don't base a purchase based on the "promise" of a company's wishes to change drivers. It could take 2 years to get that feature going, by that time, there will totally be new product...
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 18, 2010 12:42:33 PM

jonpaul37 said:
who the hell spends $600.00 on a 5870? they only cost $399.99...


Yes because there are no other countries on planet earth. :pfff: 
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2010 1:24:11 PM

i was under the impression that it was all relitave, example:

5870 in USD = $399.00

Currency Exchange from USD to canadian $ is 1/1.5 which meand $100.00 USD - $150.00 Canadian.

Thus making the 5870 $600.00 canadian (or $399.00 US)

Also, if the OP is from Austraila, shouldn't he/she state which currency they are using to avoid confusion?

Last i checked, if someone tells me they spent $600.00 on a 5870 and they did not specify that they are from a certain country, i would guess they bought it from dell :) 
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 18, 2010 1:36:40 PM

jonpaul37 said:
i was under the impression that it was all relitave, example:

5870 in USD = $399.00

Currency Exchange from USD to canadian $ is 1/1.5 which meand $100.00 USD - $150.00 Canadian.

Thus making the 5870 $600.00 canadian (or $399.00 US)

Also, if the OP is from Austraila, shouldn't he/she state which currency they are using to avoid confusion?

Last i checked, if someone tells me they spent $600.00 on a 5870 and they did not specify that they are from a certain country, i would guess they bought it from dell :) 

The cheapest 5870 on the Scan.co.uk site is 308.81 GBP = 482.796 USD and 399.99 USD = 255.811 GBP which kind of knackers your sketch.
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2010 1:41:04 PM

Damn economy! guess i won't think in relative terms when it comes to international PC component prices. Guess it all has to do with Supply....
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 18, 2010 1:53:47 PM

If US currency was legal tender in the UK I'm sure many people wouldn't have a problem paying $399.99 for a card that would cost an extra £55 if they used legal tender. :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2010 2:05:09 PM

Long Live the Queen!
February 18, 2010 6:29:25 PM

jonpaul37 said:
i was under the impression that it was all relitave, example:

5870 in USD = $399.00

Currency Exchange from USD to canadian $ is 1/1.5 which meand $100.00 USD - $150.00 Canadian.

Thus making the 5870 $600.00 canadian (or $399.00 US)

Also, if the OP is from Austraila, shouldn't he/she state which currency they are using to avoid confusion?

Last i checked, if someone tells me they spent $600.00 on a 5870 and they did not specify that they are from a certain country, i would guess they bought it from dell :) 

Sorry about the confusion, i should of added it in.
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2010 6:48:24 PM

no worries mate, i learned a lesson today, so it's a good thing you didn't!
February 18, 2010 11:03:19 PM

jonpaul37 said:
i was under the impression that it was all relitave, example:

5870 in USD = $399.00

Currency Exchange from USD to canadian $ is 1/1.5 which meand $100.00 USD - $150.00 Canadian.

Thus making the 5870 $600.00 canadian (or $399.00 US)

Also, if the OP is from Austraila, shouldn't he/she state which currency they are using to avoid confusion?

Last i checked, if someone tells me they spent $600.00 on a 5870 and they did not specify that they are from a certain country, i would guess they bought it from dell :) 



Hey jonpaul get yer exchange rates right. Today the Canadian dollar is worth $.96 US
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2010 12:12:24 AM

Ona Island Ina Sea said:
Hey jonpaul get yer exchange rates right. Today the Canadian dollar is worth $.96 US


And yet, no one but a canadian would even care :( 
February 19, 2010 4:05:19 AM

Truhls said:
And yet, no one but a canadian would even care :( 


When the Us of A finally finishes tanking and and your dollar is worth what ours was 3-4 years back ($.63) and You can't buy anything cause you no longer make anything and everything from China costs you twice as much, You won't be so smug. lmao
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2010 5:20:16 AM

Ona Island Ina Sea said:
When the Us of A finally finishes tanking and and your dollar is worth what ours was 3-4 years back ($.63) and You can't buy anything cause you no longer make anything and everything from China costs you twice as much, You won't be so smug. lmao


Pfft, if i was canadian i might of read what you posted :p  And hey if it ever gets that bad im sure well just bomb canada. After all, Canada is only americas expansion pack, tis why it sucks more :(  the expansions are never as good :(  hahaha :p 
February 19, 2010 5:05:40 PM

Truhls said:
Pfft, if i was canadian i might of read what you posted :p  And hey if it ever gets that bad im sure well just bomb canada. After all, Canada is only americas expansion pack, tis why it sucks more :(  the expansions are never as good :(  hahaha :p 


Canada was the first country (before Vietnam) to send "Uncle Sam" packing with his tail between his legs. The last time U "folks" tried to invade us (War of 1812) we whipped your ass with biological warfare, smallpox to be exact. Of the 5000 Yanks surrounding Quebec City less the 30% made it home alive. WOMD!!! Ya Baby!!! Canada has the most comprehensive collection of nasties in the world and we will use them, if we have to. U can take your BIG STICK (the bomb) and shove it up your ass!!! 99% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. If you were to "bomb" us the prevailing winds would carry all the radioactive fallout south along with whatever "nasties" we sent with it to spread all over America.

U want a piece of us? Maybe not, EH.

U appear to be pretty arrogant, for someone who is so ignorant.
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2010 5:21:46 PM

Ona Island Ina Sea said:
Hey jonpaul get yer exchange rates right. Today the Canadian dollar is worth $.96 US



I was only using that as an example, i could have used any country name and would have used the same numbers. that is why it is an example.
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2010 5:27:25 PM

Ona Island Ina Sea said:
Canada was the first country (before Vietnam) to send "Uncle Sam" packing with his tail between his legs. The last time U "folks" tried to invade us (War of 1812) we whipped your ass with biological warfare, smallpox to be exact. Of the 5000 Yanks surrounding Quebec City less the 30% made it home alive. WOMD!!! Ya Baby!!! Canada has the most comprehensive collection of nasties in the world and we will use them, if we have to. U can take your BIG STICK (the bomb) and shove it up your ass!!! 99% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. If you were to "bomb" us the prevailing winds would carry all the radioactive fallout south along with whatever "nasties" we sent with it to spread all over America.

U want a piece of us? Maybe not, EH.

U appear to be pretty arrogant, for someone who is so ignorant.

lol, you sound angry, chip shoulder much ?
February 19, 2010 6:12:21 PM

notty22 said:
lol, you sound angry, chip shoulder much ?

U are the one that started in with the idle threat to bomb us and the implied insults. If U want to jump in on someone else's thread with your 2 cents, U better expect change. If U don't like it, U know where U can shove it.

Angry? NO. As a matter of fact I have taken great pleasure in the opportunity to set U straight and return a few barbs. Got any more?
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 19, 2010 6:19:08 PM

Ona Island Ina Sea said:
U are the one that started in with the idle threat to bomb us and the implied insults. If U want to jump in on someone else's thread with your 2 cents, U better expect change. If U don't like it, U know where U can shove it.

Angry? NO. As a matter of fact I have taken great pleasure in the opportunity to set U straight and return a few barbs. Got any more?

If you are trying to incite a fight this is the wrong forum, take it elsewhere please.
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2010 6:24:22 PM

An American, a Scot and a Canuk were in a terrible car accident. They were all brought to the same emergency room, but all three of them died before they arrived. Just as they were about to put the toe tag on the American, he stirred and opened his eyes. Astonished, the doctors and nurses present asked him what happened.

"Well," said the American, "I remember the crash, and then there was a beautiful light, and then the Canadian and the Scot and I were standing at the gates of heaven. St. Peter approached us and said that we were all too young to die, and that for a donation of $100, we could return to the earth."

He continued, " So of course, I pulled out my wallet and gave him the $100, and the next thing I knew I was back here."

"That's amazing!" said one of the doctors, "But what happened to the other two?"

"Last I saw them," replied the American, "the Scot was haggling over the price and the Canadian was waiting for the government to pay for his."
February 19, 2010 6:25:30 PM

jonpaul37 said:
I was only using that as an example, i could have used any country name and would have used the same numbers. that is why it is an example.

Hi Jonpaul

No offence taken. Just didn' want your comment to start a run on our banks. LOL
February 19, 2010 6:51:23 PM

Mousemonkey said:
If you are trying to incite a fight this is the wrong forum, take it elsewhere please.

Hi Mousemonkey

Not trying to start a fight. But I'll be damned if I'm going to back down from someone who is

.truhls wrote :

And yet, no one but a canadian would even care :( 

And then truhls wrote :

Pfft, if i was canadian i might of read what you posted :p  And hey if it ever gets that bad im sure well just bomb canada. After all, Canada is only americas expansion pack, tis why it sucks more :(  the expansions are never as good :(  hahaha :p 

So who is doing the inciting? Perhaps you should tell .truhls to back-off.
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 19, 2010 6:56:16 PM

Your first response was enough, the second was unnecessary.
February 19, 2010 7:16:43 PM

notty22 said:
An American, a Scot and a Canuk were in a terrible car accident. They were all brought to the same emergency room, but all three of them died before they arrived. Just as they were about to put the toe tag on the American, he stirred and opened his eyes. Astonished, the doctors and nurses present asked him what happened.

"Well," said the American, "I remember the crash, and then there was a beautiful light, and then the Canadian and the Scot and I were standing at the gates of heaven. St. Peter approached us and said that we were all too young to die, and that for a donation of $100, we could return to the earth."

He continued, " So of course, I pulled out my wallet and gave him the $100, and the next thing I knew I was back here."

"That's amazing!" said one of the doctors, "But what happened to the other two?"

"Last I saw them," replied the American, "the Scot was haggling over the price and the Canadian was waiting for the government to pay for his."

Good one notty22, but the way I heard it was "the American had to pay with Chinese Yen cause China has all your dollars. The Canadian didn't even show up at the gate cause we already got heaven on earth, and most Scotsmen had already immigrated to Canada." True story. Canada has more Scotsmen then Scotland. HA HA
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2010 7:30:45 PM

That happens to be my lineage. Scotland-Canada-MA,USA
But to get back on topic. 4870's were used in one of the last build articles at Toms, they did it with 130 dollar 4870's. The day the article came out, you could indeed get a 512 4870 at Zipzoomfly(130.00). But even at 260 dollars its a hard argument not to get the 5850,because of situations where crossfire doesn't scale well. The 5850 ain't the 5870 ,its a compromise and getting all the ooomph from one gpu might be the better solution.
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2010 7:32:36 PM

Ona Island Ina Sea said:
Canada was the first country (before Vietnam) to send "Uncle Sam" packing with his tail between his legs. The last time U "folks" tried to invade us (War of 1812) we whipped your ass with biological warfare, smallpox to be exact. Of the 5000 Yanks surrounding Quebec City less the 30% made it home alive. WOMD!!! Ya Baby!!! Canada has the most comprehensive collection of nasties in the world and we will use them, if we have to. U can take your BIG STICK (the bomb) and shove it up your ass!!! 99% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. If you were to "bomb" us the prevailing winds would carry all the radioactive fallout south along with whatever "nasties" we sent with it to spread all over America.

U want a piece of us? Maybe not, EH.

U appear to be pretty arrogant, for someone who is so ignorant.


Well for one i was saying mine as a joke, not some as some arrogant country hard on fanboi.

Two, if we bombed you, you really think any of your biological warfare wouldnt be hit? AHAHAHA.

Btw ive seen Regenesis.
February 19, 2010 8:22:32 PM

notty22 said:
That happens to be my lineage. Scotland-Canada-MA,USA
But to get back on topic. 4870's were used in one of the last build articles at Toms, they did it with 130 dollar 4870's. The day the article came out, you could indeed get a 512 4870 at Zipzoomfly(130.00). But even at 260 dollars its a hard argument not to get the 5850,because of situations where crossfire doesn't scale well. The 5850 ain't the 5870 ,its a compromise and getting all the ooomph from one gpu might be the better solution.

I was running an HD 3450 in Hybrid CF with my on-board video but recently replaced that setup with an HD4890, one of the last available apparently. I was thinking of Crossfiring it with a 4870 or 4850 could you comment further on scaling issues, not sure what that means?
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