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February 23, 2010 10:54:20 PM

out of these cards what would you guys reccomend......4890, 4870x2, gtx 285, 5850?

I only have one card to use....

quad core...6gb ram...

my main monitor is a 19inch but i also have my xbr 32inch and it runs at 1980 by 1020

so what card would be best out of those...SIngle card?

thanks

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a b U Graphics card
February 23, 2010 11:10:07 PM

5850 is fastest, coolest, quietest and has the best features of them all. They are all good cards but the 5850 is the best in every department.
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a c 126 U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 8:40:41 AM

^^ The 4870x2 is the fastest card, but I'd still recommend the 5850 as its DX11, requires the least amount of power, produces the least amount of heat and has some other features like eyefinity
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a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 8:56:46 AM

Woops I thought he wrote 4850x2. But yes even at that I'd still take the 5850.
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a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 9:30:44 AM

HD5850, all the way. HD4870x2 would be too hot and is a power hungry beast.
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a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 10:21:53 AM

If you want speed, 4870x2 (still rocks IMO).

For anything else the 5850.

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February 24, 2010 10:28:01 AM

i have 5850 on my acer laptop, and pretty happy with..
recomend.
is anyone know is intel gma 4500mhd graphic card is 64 bit?
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a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 10:37:02 AM

a 5850 overclocked to about 1ghz core and 1250 memory is about as good as a 4870x2.

5850 all the way :) 

EDIT: I googled on the 4870x2 and i found that i gets about 14-15k gpuscore in 3dmark vantage and my 5850 (950/1250) gets about 17k gpuscore.

but thats just vantage of course but anyhow my 5850 beat it pretty well :) 
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February 24, 2010 4:29:16 PM

Yes 4870x2 is the fastest but the 5850 has additional features(dx11, eyefinity etc.) so I recommend it also.
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March 2, 2010 11:08:35 PM

thanks guys! theres alot of diffrent 5850s , yuo reccomend any?

iw as looking at the saphire TOXIC OC edition it has vapour cooling does that make a big diff? or the XFX eddition overclocked
since its like 30$ more... and i see some sites overclocking the oc ones

but as far as overclocking can i overclock without needing to buy any additional stuff?
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March 3, 2010 2:15:41 AM

hallal_55 said:
thanks guys! theres alot of diffrent 5850s , yuo reccomend any?

iw as looking at the saphire TOXIC OC edition it has vapour cooling does that make a big diff? or the XFX eddition overclocked
since its like 30$ more... and i see some sites overclocking the oc ones

but as far as overclocking can i overclock without needing to buy any additional stuff?


I always go with XFX due to the Lifetime Double warranty, plus they haven't given me any problems whenever I've had any issue.

Its really a matter of preference, in the end they are all close and the stock clocked ones can be overclocked to match the more expensive ones quite easily. If you feel comfortable overclocking the card yourself then just buy one at stock clocks and OC it yourself instead of paying them to do it. Its really quite simple and there's plenty of guides around to help you out if you need it.
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 10:07:18 AM

crosko42 said:
I always go with XFX due to the Lifetime Double warranty, plus they haven't given me any problems whenever I've had any issue.

Its really a matter of preference, in the end they are all close and the stock clocked ones can be overclocked to match the more expensive ones quite easily. If you feel comfortable overclocking the card yourself then just buy one at stock clocks and OC it yourself instead of paying them to do it. Its really quite simple and there's plenty of guides around to help you out if you need it.



Well i both agree and disagree, because if you buy a factory overclocked card you can probably overclock than one higher than a stock clock one because those factory overclocked cards are probably cherry picked. at least i can run 1000 core with about 1.27 volts on mine (XFX 5850 XXX factory OC) and my friend must have 1.35 volts on his 5850 (Gigabyte stock clocked). who knows how high i could go with 1.35 volts :) 

But of course it depends if you want to spend the extra money or not. i myself paid only 7 euros more for the XXX version here in finland.
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 11:09:55 AM

Quote:
4870x2 is a stone age GPU....

That 'stone age GPU' outperforms the 5850 by a good 25% :pfff: 
Biased much?

That being said, I would also vote for the 5850 for reasons stated above.
Don't worry to much about the make, just get the least expensive.
You can easily overclock a stock card to match the more expensive overclocked versions...
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 11:12:33 AM

overclock a 5850 and it will be faster than a 4870x2 (atleast in vantage lol)
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 11:15:34 AM

5850 is the best bang for buck WHEN OVERCLOCKED hands down
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 11:26:05 AM

4870 X2
@ Idle = 73watts
@ Peak = 273watts

5850
@ Idle = 18watts
@ Peak = 108watts

:D 
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 2:24:30 PM

I am one of those people who does not care about power or heat and think those that bring it up as advantages, just like physx, 3-d, eyefinity or dx11 should be shot.
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 2:52:03 PM

Surely you're the one mistaken.
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 3:16:27 PM

Quote:
4870 X2
@ Idle = 73watts
@ Peak = 273watts

5850
@ Idle = 18watts
@ Peak = 108watts

The 5850 isn't THAT good with power, its not magic.
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 3:41:25 PM

yes it is.

that is the official figures you gave, that they don't want to be wrong on - so are generous with its potential power usage.

Check from here:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Axle/GeForce_GT_240/28.html

or the figures from :

http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=264

Put it at:

Idle @ 19w
Typical 3D @ 112w
Peak @ 150w (unlikely in realworld use to ever hit this)

Idle consumption - is typically taken in windows at the desktop with nothing happening on screen.
Typical 3D consumption - is the typical max 3D draw of your card whilst running a regular game, 3D app or possibly even GPGPU task.
Peak 3D consumtion - should be considered an unlikely and rare case for a GPU. Whilst the card can draw this amount of power if needed, it's only under extreme circumstances (like FurMark benches)


BTW Strangerstranger, for me as I pay my own bills, that kinda power saving on 24/7 idle use would save me :

£62.64 or $94.73 per year.

At that price I care about power ~_^
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 3:49:42 PM

I don't smoke or drink so we can call this my bad habit.
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 3:50:42 PM

hehe

fair play :) 
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 3:56:00 PM

Pailin said:
yes it is.

that is the official figures you gave, that they don't want to be wrong on - so are generous with its potential power usage.

Check from here:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Axle/GeForce_GT_240/28.html

or the figures from :

http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=264

Put it at:

Idle @ 19w
Typical 3D @ 112w
Peak @ 150w (unlikely in realworld use to ever hit this)

Idle consumption - is typically taken in windows at the desktop with nothing happening on screen.
Typical 3D consumption - is the typical max 3D draw of your card whilst running a regular game, 3D app or possibly even GPGPU task.
Peak 3D consumtion - should be considered an unlikely and rare case for a GPU. Whilst the card can draw this amount of power if needed, it's only under extreme circumstances (like FurMark benches)


BTW Strangerstranger, for me as I pay my own bills, that kinda power saving on 24/7 idle use would save me :

£62.64 or $94.73 per year.

At that price I care about power ~_^

Sorry, but I find ATI's official figures the most realistic. And I can show you just as many reviews that show real world power consumption of the 5850 50 watts over the 5770. Which only makes sense given its hardware/performance increase.
IMO 151 is a low best case figure.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17812/40/1/8/
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 4:32:45 PM

Lets have a look...


5570 figures - ur Graph System = your given base system wattage:
idle 9 - 128 = 118
(typ 3D 37)
Max 46 - 188 = 142

5850 figs + your given base system wattage
Idle @ 18w + 118 = 136w
Typical 3D @ 112w
Max @ 150w + 142 = 292w

which shouldn't be too far off and would put my figures out by:

Idle = 2w
Max = 6w





I will have an Asus 5850 soon, but will be weeks B4 I can get figures - but will post some of my own eventually...
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March 3, 2010 8:21:31 PM

What do you mean by cherry picked

So with a factory overclcok I can overclock even more right?

Can I do that with a stock 5850 and match the factory overclock clocked speed lol

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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 8:53:52 PM

with cherry picked i mean they have only picked the best gpus for the overclocked cards (ex. you can overclock the same amount with lower voltage) and you can overclock them a little better than normal cards.
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 9:20:48 PM

I hear the Asus 5850's with Voltage Tweak for the GPU and bundled OCing software often make 1,000MHz - place I got mine from one guy made that on just 1.2v.

Other 5850's can too I understand, but may have to jump through a few extra hoops to get there - using Asus's SmartDoctor or MSI's AfterBurner and also maybe including a BIOS flash

Though I understand you no longer have to BIOS flash them...???
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 9:46:09 PM

Mostly it is a throw back to when 5850's were in short supply and vendors stacked £50 $75 onto prices of all the 58XX series

Asus have been in Very short supply and many stores, here in the UK, and have not been back in stock since then... so seem over priced.

September debut price on the 5850 was meant to be £199 $300

I just paid £223.24 $336.99 while on special here - was the only store in the UK I could find with any Asus 5850's in stock too! Was "meant" to have been a Dirt 2 edition... but wasn't when it arrived :pfff: 

was almost a really nice price.



I have only ever heard good things about these cards - except availability and price...?
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 9:58:03 PM

1st I've heard...

gotta say that on this one that I hope you are wrong, having just bought mine lol ;) 
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 10:08:56 PM

lets hope :D 


since CeBIT there should be a bunch of non-reference 5XXX series cards coming to market over the next few weeks...

MSI are releasing their new cards with "military spec" components - good for OCing and longer life - also all their new range come with custom coolers and probably good OCing software

Asus, Gigabyte MSI and Powercolor are all bringing something new out very soon.
others too I am sure.

otherwise those are all good brands you mentioned I understand. The Saphire VaporX if found cheap enough has a very good cooler.
XFX in the US has the best warranty afaik.

I was going to wait, but is my birthday in a few days and had been hearing very good things about their Overclocking potential + the stock of those Asus 5850's only lasted a few days on Special - I got the 3rd to last one ^^
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 10:44:22 PM

yeah, know what you mean.

Having a sneak peak at my B'day present ;) 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgliE5ffuzQ
and an OC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-301mvSNyUI
1.35vcore 1,004MHz GPU and 5,004MHz memory = 25% better than stock Vantage GPU score


Have a look at the new MSI's:

http://tv.hexus.net/show/2010/03/CeBIT_2010_MSI_shows_off_its_graphics_offerings/

Pretty sexy looking cards!

The top end 5870 Lightning with TwinFrozr cooling comes as standard at 1,000MHz LOL

Have seen these taken to:

1,075MHz core
or
1,100MHz core and 5,508MHz memory

on air.

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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 11:03:02 PM

I reckon they have to be some of the best looking 58XX cards I have seen :) 

well:

FarCry 2 1920x1200 8xAA
295 78fps
5870 59fps
5850 51fps

Fallout3
295 83fps
5870 77fps
5850 66fps

OC'd I think the 5850 will come a bit closer - with luck a little over 5870 speeds.

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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 11:14:07 PM

ouch!

Sounds like a plan then :) 
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 11:30:05 PM

oooh... look what I found!!! :D 


http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/xfx5850/


Benchmarks with a 5850 OC'd to 1000/4880


FarCry2 1920x1080

# DirectX 10
# Anti-Aliasing: x2
# Game Settings: Very High

295 - 87
4870X2 - 84
5870 - 84
5850 OC- 89

Crysis Warhead 19200x1080
# Anti-Aliasing: x2
# Game Settings: Enthusiast
# Ambush

295 - 32
4870X2 - 26
5870 - 30
5850 OC- 31


Yup - thats a 5850 basically at or better than a GTX 295 ^_^
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 11:39:46 PM

LMAO :D 


hOh Yeaah :sol: 
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 11:53:01 PM

Should have spent a little more and got the lightning 5870 , with its twin 8 pin pci-e connectors. *begins sarcasm :)  Oh wait ! your going to get that magic 5850 that will be faster than everything and draw only 101 watts !
Enjoy your new B-present.
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 11:55:34 PM

LOL


tnx mate, I think I will :D 
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a b U Graphics card
March 4, 2010 12:45:09 AM

du ska skaffa en 5850, annars ångrar du dej :D 
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March 4, 2010 1:21:33 AM

Not everything works like one hopes. I replaced my 4870x2 with 2x5850s because of the constant fan noise of that card. Man that was annoying. But those 5850's were quiet at stock speeds.

So what do I do - overclock those 5850's so I have to run the fans at 80% to keep temps at 70C. So now I have two dustbusters running in the chassis.... :kaola: 
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March 15, 2010 12:30:48 AM

so would the TOXIC spahire be the best 5850 becuase its overclocked plus you can overclock more with the lower voltage and better cooling?or xfx xxx??

i dont mind paying extra 2-30$

besides imgonna get on ebay so it wil be cheaper in a month or so when the fermi cards come out right???
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