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February 23, 2010 11:23:34 PM

Hello,

Is it worth buying the new ATI 5830 buying? I have a XFX ATI 5770 that I bought earlier and could return it if the 5830 is worth it's price.

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February 23, 2010 11:24:40 PM

Well we haven't seen benchmarks or the final pricing yet.
What resolution is your monitor?
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February 23, 2010 11:29:53 PM

well... I'm in the process of building a new pc. I haven't decided on which monitor to get yet. But it's going to be around 20"(not alot of space on my table). I guess i'll have to wait until Thursday's official release.

I've seen the leak 5830 specs and they aren't that good compared to 5850.
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February 23, 2010 11:34:03 PM

Monitors around 20" are usually 1680x1050 or 1600x900. For those resolutions your HD5770 should be very good so don't worry about it.
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February 23, 2010 11:59:12 PM

celestialguy said:
Hello,

Is it worth buying the new ATI 5830 buying? I have a XFX ATI 5770 that I bought earlier and could return it if the 5830 is worth it's price.


I'll give you $10 for your HD 5770 to use towards the purchase of the HD 5830.

:D  :D  :D  :D 


Too early to tell and of course the HD 5830 looks worse than the HD 5850. It's a slower card after all. Rough guess, I would say it will be about 10% - 15% faster on average than a HD 4890; take Crysis out of that estimate.
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February 24, 2010 4:26:18 AM

No I would not take your 10$ :)  . I'll wait until the official specs come out on Thursday before I decide anything. I have checked wikipedia and the specs "are out" for the 5830. I don't know if they are accurate or not but it seems to me 5770 might be better bang for buck.
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February 24, 2010 6:12:59 AM

I myself am debating abit. Should I wait for the 5830 or get the 5770. I saw the specs for the 5830. Looks like ATI has crippled this card big time. The 5850 does 32 ROPs, while the 5830 only does 16 ROPs, which is what the 5770 does. I am not sure why ATI cut it by half, I thought it would have been rated at 24 ROPs. And this card is a power hog. And consumes 16 more watts then the 5850??? The only advantage I see is that the card has more stream processors and has 256-bit memory interface operating an 128GB/s. vs the 5770 128-bit. I guess we will have to wait till tomorrow when it comes up (TBC) and have to see the bench marks. Hopefully it can be O/C the crap out of. We will see.
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February 24, 2010 7:13:13 AM

To be honest its to be expected that they cripple the card so much. Assuming the numbers are correct of course.
They need to make sure its faster than the 5770 which it should be easilly but they cant leave too much intact or else people will OC the crap out of it like you say and they will lose 5850 sales.
I know its difficult to do but i really think we need to forget about the good ald days when there were gains to be had for free.
AMD have to my mind made it very clear with the stratergy they have employed with the five series, as you say Crippling the cards big time to meet a performance segment, That those days are long gone.
Personally im leaning very heavily to just saying sod it this round and wait for the 6 series.
The 5770's are in my opinion too expensive and underperform. I dont need a 5850 and the 5830 would probably be where i would go but i fully expect that to be the same story as the 5770, dissapointing and expensive.
Im hoping that the 6 series will show a better performance jump, i dont really need an upgrade right now anyway and as such buying the 5830 will in all probability have me kicking myself that i didnt wait for the 6 series.

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February 24, 2010 9:59:55 AM

The 5830 specs is what it needs to be so that it doesn't cannibalise sales of the 5850. If it had higher shaders and the 32 ROPs but lower clocks, it would overclock far too easily up to close to 5850 levels.
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February 24, 2010 10:47:07 AM

jennyh said:
The 5830 specs is what it needs to be so that it doesn't cannibalise sales of the 5850. If it had higher shaders and the 32 ROPs but lower clocks, it would overclock far too easily up to close to 5850 levels.


Agreed^^ and thats why the 5850 is the way to go and overclock the *** out of it :)  best bang for buck ESPECIALLY WHEN OVERCLOCKED! :D 
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February 24, 2010 5:29:00 PM

I highly doubt we will see the 5830 on newegg or any other online vendor tomorrow. Including another couple weeks as far as retail stores go. I would assume the cards will start at $250 ish :( 
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February 24, 2010 7:47:38 PM

Awww it's disappointing to say the least. Since I bought the XFX 5770 when it was on sale (CAD$169.99), I'll stick with it unless reviews from tomorrow say otherwise.
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February 24, 2010 8:13:19 PM

lol
I love how people are now jumping all over this card before even seeing benchmarks or final price. There is a japanese site that has reviewed the card and it seems 10-20% weaker than the HD5850 and that it is a great overclocker. I don't know what you guys were expecting but that is right in line with what I was expecting all along.
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February 24, 2010 11:20:47 PM

It's just a crippled 5870 that didn't make the grade so they rebadged it, what's all the fuss about?
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February 25, 2010 1:00:43 PM

I'd say save up and go 5850.
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February 25, 2010 1:56:08 PM

EXT64 said:
I'd say save up and go 5850.



I agree! I think the MSRP for 5830 is around $20 less than 5850 and about 20% performance decrease with 5830 too. It's not worth buying. Buy 5850 instead :wahoo: 
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February 25, 2010 2:19:31 PM

Well, we'll have to see the release prices to say for sure, but if it turns out that close, you are definitely correct in going for a 5850.
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February 25, 2010 3:10:00 PM

jyjjy said:
It's also almost $100 more than an HD5770... I don't know what you are looking at but if anything it seems like the worst of the HD5000 cards in terms of price/performance to me.


Except the 5770 is too weak for DX11 [as the benchies again show], where the 5830 is actually usable. And as its the least overpriced of the series, it wins p/p by default.

Take away DX11, and the 4890 dominates P/P. Throw in DX11, and the only two P/P contenders are the 5830 and 5850.
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February 25, 2010 4:07:57 PM

AnandTech "AMD expects this card to go for $240, a mere $20 below the original MSRP for the 5850; if one goes by the original MSRP of the 5850 this card is much too slow for the price. "

5850 all the way!!
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February 25, 2010 5:17:29 PM

^^ Key word being "original"; right now, you aren't finding 5850's at MSRP, so that point is totally moot.
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February 25, 2010 5:29:16 PM

ohh..... sorry, ^.^

yeah.. i guess we'll see when it comes out. I'm waiting for this to see if it is worth the upgrade from HD4830 (got it for $70 a year ago :-P, it was a deal!).
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February 25, 2010 7:50:44 PM

gamerk316 said:
Except the 5770 is too weak for DX11 [as the benchies again show]

Um, right. That simply isn't true. First off it is meaningless without stating a resolution. Second I assume you are refering to Dirt 2. Are you aware that there are other DX11 games and that Dirt 2 is the only one that shows a significant performance hit? And that it actually improves performance in 2 of them?
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March 2, 2010 2:34:53 AM

I am also debating the two cards 5830 vs 5850. I wouldn't expect the 30 to perform since it is $100 dollars less in most cases. The one that looks interesting to me is the Powercolor OC since it sits at 825mhz, granted I realize that is only one of the specs to take into consideration since the others are halved in some cases. I am trying to find the sweet spot graphics card that won't break the bank @ 1920x1200. I also need it to perform on some level with 3DS Max without gimping it for games. My PP is around $300 which is why the 5870 is just a bit out of my reach in that case. Thoughts?
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March 2, 2010 2:40:31 AM

I'd wait until nVidia's GT400 series to come out. I think they will be out on the 26th of March, but the specs and prices would most likely to be announced before that. The price of ATI5000 series might even drop, who knows... I'm waiting to purchase a new card also. :wahoo: 
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March 2, 2010 2:52:45 AM

theautumnsbest said:
I'd wait until nVidia's GT400 series to come out. I think they will be out on the 26th of March, but the specs and prices would most likely to be announced before that. The price of ATI5000 series might even drop, who knows... I'm waiting to purchase a new card also. :wahoo: 


I would wait if I wasn't building the PC right now and need it in the next two weeks for 3DS Max.... I have heard one thing about ATI cards though and that is their openGL is a bit weak for anti-aliasing for programs like that, however, it was being corrected via driver... at least I thought I read that somewhere. As it stands the gpu will be the most expensive part of this build and I am not looking to crossfire so that leaves me in the 5800 range unless there is something a bit more adaptable for my needs.


I am on a budget but my build thus far is: ECS P55H-A, i-5 750, Raidmaxx Smilodon/Hybrid 630 psu, 750 SG Barracuda (7200.12). I will be adding 4GB of G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 (with another 4 in the future) and the GPU which is really my hangup atm.
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March 2, 2010 1:42:04 PM

taishar77 said:
I would wait if I wasn't building the PC right now and need it in the next two weeks for 3DS Max.... I have heard one thing about ATI cards though and that is their openGL is a bit weak for anti-aliasing for programs like that, however, it was being corrected via driver... at least I thought I read that somewhere. As it stands the gpu will be the most expensive part of this build and I am not looking to crossfire so that leaves me in the 5800 range unless there is something a bit more adaptable for my needs.


I am on a budget but my build thus far is: ECS P55H-A, i-5 750, Raidmaxx Smilodon/Hybrid 630 psu, 750 SG Barracuda (7200.12). I will be adding 4GB of G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 (with another 4 in the future) and the GPU which is really my hangup atm.



Personally, I would pick 4850 over 4830 because of performance per dollar. If you're on a budget, then 5830 is not a bad card, it's just over priced. Newegg has Sapphire 5770 on sale today for 149 after rebate, that's about another 100 below 5830, lol so many choices. Good luck :D 
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March 2, 2010 2:36:58 PM

The 5770 is a great card. Don't listen to all the high-enders here saying that its not capable of Direct X 11, I have played 2 different DirectX 11 games now, maxxed out, not dipping below 40fps staying at 30 FPS with VSYNC on, again all settings fully maxxed out. There is no point in spending over $200 for a graphics card currently as we are already in the middle point of this generation and by this time in three to four months the 6000 series will be launched. My Pref ratio goes like this: Get two middle range cards, crossfire them, have 1 higher end performing duo, save $100. Hasn't seem to let me down yet, and my 2x 5770s are performing better than a 5870.
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March 2, 2010 6:50:08 PM

nrnx said:
The 5770 is a great card. Don't listen to all the high-enders here saying that its not capable of Direct X 11, I have played 2 different DirectX 11 games now, maxxed out, not dipping below 40fps staying at 30 FPS with VSYNC on, again all settings fully maxxed out. There is no point in spending over $200 for a graphics card currently as we are already in the middle point of this generation and by this time in three to four months the 6000 series will be launched. My Pref ratio goes like this: Get two middle range cards, crossfire them, have 1 higher end performing duo, save $100. Hasn't seem to let me down yet, and my 2x 5770s are performing better than a 5870.



Interesting perspective on crossfiring, I hadn't bought a psu or a mobo that would be optimal for crossfiring so it leaves me looking at a single card. When I was building my own via vendor I was originally looking at 2 5770s but crossfire and graphics editing programs such as Maya don't reall work well together from what I have researched. I know that the 5000 series in general is capable of Directx 11 so that wasn't a concern at all :)  I am trying to get the most bang for the buck while maintaining a card that will be able to handle the programs I am going to use. It is definitely a tough market, I wish ATI would have stuck with their original price points or I wouldn't have to even debate about this :)  Also take into account resolution, I know the 5770 for standard resolutions has been a very solid option but at 1920x1200 not so much, which is why the 5830 even entered my thought process.
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March 2, 2010 7:17:29 PM

theautumnsbest said:
Personally, I would pick 4850 over 4830 because of performance per dollar. If you're on a budget, then 5830 is not a bad card, it's just over priced. Newegg has Sapphire 5770 on sale today for 149 after rebate, that's about another 100 below 5830, lol so many choices. Good luck :D 


I'll need it lol, there are a lot of choices that is for certain. I am pretty sure I am staying in the 5xxx series thought thanks for your opinion :) 
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March 2, 2010 7:36:20 PM

I think he meant 5850 and 5830 in the first part of that sentence (as otherwise it makes no sense).
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March 2, 2010 8:02:52 PM

As long as you are willing to OC I would take an HD5850 or 2 HD5770s for the same price. Performance should be very similar and two cards is always less power efficient, runs hotter, leaves less room for upgrading and crossfire scaling/compatibility issues can still be a headache.
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March 2, 2010 8:21:02 PM

I think I'll go with the 5850. I notice there are models already oc'd such as XFX Black Edition and then the standard Sapphire, in your opinion is the 30 dollar difference worth it? I worry about heat so it tends to draw me to the normal card since I have a 4 fan cooling system right now.
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March 2, 2010 8:24:05 PM

No, don't pay extra to have someone OC your video card for you. You will undoubtedly be able to get bet results easily on your own.
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March 2, 2010 8:28:39 PM

jyjjy said:
No, don't pay extra to have someone OC your video card for you. You will undoubtedly be able to get bet results easily on your own.


Most likely could, I agree. Alright went with the Sapphire 5850, it was fairly reasonable. Thanks for the advice, I haven't dealt with Radeon since like 2004 so had to do some research for once :) 
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March 2, 2010 9:01:46 PM

They should have no problem OCing. My Sapphire card easily maxed out the CCC limits (which are higher than most stock OC'ed cards). With other programs you can get much higher.
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April 12, 2010 9:47:47 PM

Best answer selected by celestialguy.
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