FERMI finally Unleashed! For me? Hell yeah!

You are, hope that PhysX reinvigorates your Crysis.
liquid=uninformed newbie.

Really, you're gonna buy a card before it is released? Let's see what you don't know:
Performance
Price
Power-consumption
Thermal Output


This is the 3rd? 4th? 5th? Fermi thread you have made? Will you marry Fermi?

Why would I? I've yet to find a game in which my pair of 4870x2s comes even close to difficulty. I might upgrade around the 6000 series (or equivalent NV part) if a good DX11 game comes out, but until that occurs, I see no reason whatsoever to upgrade.

Oh, and if you have a 5850, you'd be a moron to upgrade. Especially given the likely prices of the Nvidia GTX400 series. What on earth do you hope to gain?
(And keep in mind that Crysis does not in fact use PhysX)

It's a placebo effect, sex & porn shall be better with a Fermi inside.

Im just getting it so I can build a new system. If the gtx470 is arond the price of a 5870 then it will be decent enough to get, thats $450-500. I might even sell of get rid of the 5850 since for some reason my Bioshock doesnt even work now. I downloaded all the updates, drivers, ect, for some reason bioshock keps on blacking out and freezing. This never happned with the 9800gtx+. I re-installed the game and it was the same problem as well.

At this point, that's impossible to say. Nobody but Nvidia engineers know exactly how fast GF100/Fermi is at this point.

Absolute fact? No. Very strong possibility ? Very much so.
The 285 beat the 4890
The 5870 is double in size, as is Fermi over 285 plus a lil more.
5970 is double the 5870, so itll be more than Fermi, more than likely, almost certainly

The 5890 is a dual card; I hope it would be faster then another companies single-GPU offerings...I mean, is it really a dissapointment if a single-GPU card can't beat the newest dual-GPU offering?

What does that really have to do with anything?

It is not so damned black and white. If I can get two of something that in the end give me more performance, less price, and better efficiency why on earth would I not compare that to the single larger item?

I mean one could easily compare performance of the cards on a transistor/performance ratio... In the end what the heck does it mater how many GPU's this is on? Granted a single fast GPU is generally better for many reasons... but there is no reason what so ever that a dual card 'has' to be faster than a single card, or that the comparison of two smaller something is invalid because it is two of something. That is ridiculous.

And it's the 5970... I know you know that, but at least get the number right before you rant about how it doesn't count  .

^^ Was thinking of the 4890, and crossed it with the 5970; my bad on that;

You can't compare dual-GPU cards, simply because of scaling factors across different game engines, and the different scaling between SLI/CF. Its silly really. I just find it funny that the 480 is being seen as a "failure" if it can't beat a 5970...

Calm down people calm down. Graphics cards are graphics cards. As long as they get the job done WHO CARES?! lol. I like both Nvidia and ATI, but have ATI at the moment, maybe next generation that will switch back to Nvidia, whose last card I had was a 7900 I believe before I upgraded to the 4850 then to 5770x2

You compare on price and price alone. Number of gpu's or anything else does not come into it.

Price+Perf
Just like when gamer said he wasnt impressed with the 5870 because it didnt beat the 295? And said everyone expected it too?
Well, it is beating it more often than not nowadays, with better drivers, but it all comes down to price/perf, so, if Fermi is cheaper than the 295 or 285, itll compete well with the 5870 and the 5970 as long as the perf is there as well

The GTX470 and 480 are not so impressive if a mere 10-15% preformance increase over their respective counterparts 5850 and 5870, according to the consensus on threads and feedback.

Why would anybody rush into spending a s**t load of money on a GPU they know nothing about!!!

All ive seen of this Fermi is a couple of boxes with 470 & 480 stamped on it and 1 with the heatsink taken off. Isnt this GPU going to be released any day now?

Do Nvidia think they can sell a product when their cutsomers know nothing about its capabilities or do they think that we will blindly rush and buy it because it's "new"!

No, I said that the performance increases some people were claiming the 5000 series would get wasn't achieved. I also pointed out the downright disappointing DX11 numbers [which are still very wishy/washy, and one of the things im waiting most for on the 400 series]. The cards prices made sense at launch, but not at their current pricing.

Yeh, you're gonna need a new PSU just for Fermi  

I'm hoping to see new motherboards that can disable the Fermi cards when not in use. Since they've just announced laptops that use this technology (Optimus) it's just a matter of time.

To be clear, Optimus uses an onboard graphics chip and if you have add-on graphics cards they send the video signal through the onboard chip (not bypassing it). When you start a game the cards turn on and start running automatically and then shut off COMPLETELY when not needed.

Onboard graphics might use about 5Watts. A high-end dual-card setup might idle at 60-> 100 Watts. It's not just power, it's also noise.

I'm just curious if this will affect the price of other cards on the market.

Hey, Snake, Did you end up buying that trash card in the end of things?

Don't be so harsh builderbob. I've an Asus 480 on pre-order, it will be interesting to say the least! Oh i also commisioned my own nuclear powerstation to power it too, cool huh?

Well snake has been hard on Evergreen, so why can't i be hard on Fermi/

Rise above his immature ramblings and you shall be better than he is. ATI kicks ass.

....Right now.

And anyways, why in the world are you buying the GTX 480?

Can I try to talk you out of that and into a 5970?

Haha no thanks! Comon it will be fun, well for me at least. I'm really not about this whole, getting THE most optimised card based on performance and price etc. If that was the case we'd all end up getting the same card more or less (or at least the same one for each price/performance category, enthusiast, mid range, etc). Variety is the spice of life.

You sure you realy want a GTX 480 cuase it's different?

AIDS if diffrent to, do you want that?

(Buecuase I can give that to you to, cheaper than the GTX 480) /JK.

Dude thats sick!

That really wasn't my point, my personal reasons for getting it was because at the expo at Scan, the cards were performing very impressively to me, the two 480's in SLI were immense! Also, i know NVidia are a bunch of arrogant swines akin to Nazi's but if i'm honest ive never had a reason to move to ATI because every one of Nvidia's cards has worked really well for me. Hopefully the 480 will be really good too despite it being bested by the 5970 and its supposed high heat output (though it seemed no different to me on load than my current 280 on load).

But if Fermi turns out to be a total flop then i shall certainly look at ATI next time round  .

Dude, bencmarks are up on tom's.

The GTX 480 was a total flop.

And also Snake, I'll trade you my Nvidia P118 for yo're ATI 5850 fair right?

I mean, good drivers amkes all the diffrence, and PhysX, even if the 5850 is a tad faster.

I can really see you in a suit of armour at the walls of Nvidia really to charge them through the door and slaughter them all haha!

Uh, I'm an Nvidia fan, I'm just realy soured over how much the GT200 seris suck, and Fermi as well.

I miss the days when NV was on top, and ATI was amking nasty garbage like the HD 2900XT.

Now those roles have been reversed.

And I was serious about the P118 trade.

Hang on! ive just been on Overclockers UK and the 480 prices around £430! is this correct?

If it is then thats shocking considering that the 5870 is £320 and the 480 is only slightly faster! (except in Crysis where ATI kicked A**!!)

Marney, stupid question, but was that before or after VAT?

Thats after VAT on both cards.

Sparkle have a GTX 480 for £379 ex VAT and £445 with VAT.

Sapphire have a 5870 for £259 ex VAT and £304 with VAT.

Yeah well there was always going to be that difference.

We already have a thread which is stickied about GTX 480/470 in this forum,please post in there,we don't need lots of threads with one subject,post your opinions here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/page-284770_33_200.ht...

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