5830 benched

[mactronix]

Hi,
Over at Fudzilla they have a link to a site that has benched the 5830 is anyone is interested.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17803/1/

Mactronix

 

[shadow187]

So it beats a GTX260 when high res's/AA is involved, and is sub-par with a GTX275. Not bad.

 

[mactronix]

Im a bit dissapointed really. I would have thought considering the way that they seemed to be pushing power/perf that these would have gotten in on a single PCIE cable but they end up needing more juice that a 5850.
Does have me wondering why though. Im guessing that its needed to stabilise the chip as i dont see anything in the spec that would call for it.

Mactronix

 

[jennyh]

Lower binned parts will need higher voltages to stabilise the transistors yep.

It's 2% faster than the gtx275 overall, with some friendlier games benchmarked it will probably prove to be the same speed as the 285. It's hit the target area ATI aimed at, all that really matters now is the price.

 

[notty22]

Lower binned parts will need higher voltages to stabilise the transistors yep.

It's 2% faster than the gtx275 overall, with some friendlier games benchmarked it will probably prove to be the same speed as the 285. It's hit the target area ATI aimed at, all that really matters now is the price.

Your exaggerating from the article just quoted from.

However, it's fast enough to match the GTX 260 and even the GTX 275 in some tests, although Nvidia's cards are somewhat faster in FarCry 2.

Its more like in 2% of the cases its as fast as a gtx275, and the only way a GTX285 figures in here is, that in some games a gtx 285 matches a 5850 and would smoke the 5830.

edit: anyways, in that article, Hawx and NFS shift the 5830 is almost 20% slower than a 5850. So if its 20% less expensive than a 270 (USA) 5850, would it be a good deal at 220? I would say of course. Thats what a gtx260 goes for without dx11.

 

[mactronix]

Yes they do seem to have the pie nicely sliced up for themselves at the moment dont they.
I wouldnt expect any surprises price wise, that will fit right in the segment left for it as well.
I dont know the prices off hand but did read on these forums a couple of days ago that the prices had gone up again, Hmm thats a nice coincidence (me thinks not ) that means the new card has a higher price point to come in at.

Anyway good asthey are im not looking to upgrade this time around i still hav eall th eperformance i need so its wait and see time again untill the 6 series :lol:
Only thing is if i upgrade now i can sell my 4 series and then my 5 series etc but if i wait the 4 series will probably be to old to find a buyer
Mactronix

 

[jennyh]

Your exaggerating from the article just quoted from.http://img.tomshardware.com/forum/uk/icones/smilies/non.gif

However, it's fast enough to match the GTX 260 and even the GTX 275 in some tests, although Nvidia's cards are somewhat faster in FarCry 2.

Its more like in 2% of the cases its as fast as a gtx275, and the only way a GTX285 figures in here is, that in some games a gtx 285 matches a 5850 and would smoke the 5830.http://img.tomshardware.com/forum/uk/icones/smilies/sleep.gif

edit: anyways, in that article, Hawx and NFS shift the 5830 is almost 20% slower than a 5850. So if its 20% less expensive than a 270 (USA) 5850, would it be a good deal at 220? I would say of course. Thats what a gtx260 goes for without dx11.

5830 275
31 33
45 55
47 35
42 43
99 85
71 67
55 57
64 62

454 437

= The 5830 is 17fps or 4% faster than the gtx275. That puts it extremely close to a gtx285 overall.


Just to add, the 4830 was a tiny bit faster than the 8800gt/9800gt so you can see how ATI are progressing nicely while Nvidia falters.

 

[mactronix]

Your exaggerating from the article just quoted from.http://img.tomshardware.com/forum/uk/icones/smilies/non.gif

However, it's fast enough to match the GTX 260 and even the GTX 275 in some tests, although Nvidia's cards are somewhat faster in FarCry 2.

Its more like in 2% of the cases its as fast as a gtx275, and the only way a GTX285 figures in here is, that in some games a gtx 285 matches a 5850 and would smoke the 5830.http://img.tomshardware.com/forum/uk/icones/smilies/sleep.gif

edit: anyways, in that article, Hawx and NFS shift the 5830 is almost 20% slower than a 5850. So if its 20% less expensive than a 270 (USA) 5850, would it be a good deal at 220? I would say of course. Thats what a gtx260 goes for without dx11.

Im bloody impressed with anyone who can read the whole of that article with out going cross eyed and brained :lol:
The fact that its a referance free card will no doubt lead to various designs and performance levels depending on how frisky the vendors are feeling. The one thing i did draw from the article was how well the card they had Overclocked. If this carries across all the chips then the opertunity for companies to use higher clocks is an interesting one.

Mactronix

 

[JDFan]

What I find strange is the memory bus is showing as 128 bit on their OC screens

I thought it was using the 256 bit bus the same as the 5850 vs. the 128 bit of the 5770 !!

 

[mactronix]

What I find strange is the memory bus is showing as 128 bit on their OC screens

http://image3.it168.com//2010/2/24/5ac95924-eb57-48b5-95fa-a12504924f7e.jpg

I thought it was using the 256 bit bus the same as the 5850 vs. the 128 bit of the 5770 !!

It would be far from the first time GPUZ showed the wrong info.
These are early benchies from a site I at least am not familiar with so I'm guessing more will become apparent tomorrow when the main site we all know and love release their benchies.

Mactronix

 

[notty22]

This gigabyte model with the dual fans looks sweet.

okini55 lol I thought the 5770 was on par with GTX 260.

Different architectures, in some games it is , some not.

 

[mactronix]

lol I thought the 5770 was on par with GTX 260.

Yes we need to see that card in the mix also. Its not just how good it is we need to know but how much better.

Mactronix

 

[JDFan]

btw. I got a 450W no brand Acer PSU and I wanna buy 5770 but will 5830 work with that PSU?. I had problems with 4890 when I tried cos the PSU was to weak but yeah. Im 100% sure that 5770 will work but I yeah I hope 5830 works cos I can afford both.

well according to Notty22s specs he posted the 5830's power consumption is 175W max (about 75W more than the 5770) which is more than the 5850 !! So a 450W PSU will not be enough if that is correct.

 

[JDFan]

ok thanks for the answer =D Ill stick to 5770 then

Well until it is actually released we do not know if the specs are correct at 175 or it is a misprint and should be 125W which would seem more likely as that is between the 5770 and the 5850 which would make more sense !!

 

[nrnx]

No, its been noted that due to binning it will run hotter and with more voltage then the 5850, it was noted several days ago at some preview place I can't remember. So yes, it uses more power then the 5850. I would like to see some 5830 vs 5770 OC benchmarks.

 

[shadow187]

If it has a higher voltage, it must have a higher OC-ability.

If an HD5850 can OC to an HD5870 (HD5850 having lower SP's), than the HD5830 should be able to OC to an HD5850.

 

[jonpaul37]

5770 is almost identical to the 260 in performance, some benches have it higher and some have it lower, but for the most part, it is spot on.

As far as the 5830 goes, it will be right in between the 275/285, again, some benches are different. AMD did this intentionally, the price will be more than justified.

Over the past two years, i have seen many people switch from Nvidia to ATI video cards, myself included. I just feel that Nvidia is pricing way too high.

 

[OvrClkr]

If the 5830 comes out to be more than 240.00 then IMO it aint worth it when you can get the 5850 at around 280.00$.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Im thinking the high TDP is simply because of the lack of ATI specs required for this card, meaning therell be many types of cards with many types of cooling,pcbs etc
In other words, some cards may be screamers, others may be yawners

 

[jonpaul37]

If the 5830 comes out to be more than 240.00 then IMO it aint worth it when you can get the 5850 at around 280.00$.

My guess would be that the 5830 will release @ $239.99, that is, of course, depending on the vendor/model/etc...

 

[OvrClkr]

5770 is almost identical to the 260 in performance, some benches have it higher and some have it lower, but for the most part, it is spot on.

As far as the 5830 goes, it will be right in between the 275/285, again, some benches are different. AMD did this intentionally, the price will be more than justified.

Over the past two years, i have seen many people switch from Nvidia to ATI video cards, myself included. I just feel that Nvidia is pricing way too high.

And I have also seen many switch from ATI to Nvidia because they could not stand the driver issues

To this date we have not seen the true sweetness of DX11 as of yet, my GTX 260 achieves the same numbers as the 5850 when it comes to Dirt2 (1680x 1050). So untill we can see a DX11 card run a DX11 game at a higher framerate with less FPS drops vs. a DX10 card we cannot assume that one brand is better than the other.

 

[JDFan]

If the 5830 comes out to be more than 240.00 then IMO it aint worth it when you can get the 5850 at around 280.00$.

Agreed - I'd see it more settling in at the $200 - $220 range to be worth the investment and actually closer to the $200 since they crippled the ROPs by cutting them in half - I mean the Pixel fillrate and the Z\stencil rate, and memory bandwidth are all lower than the 5770 due to having the same # of ROPs and a lower memory clock - will be interesting to see the final benchmarks against the 5770 and 5850 once it is released just to see what effect the various cuts they made actually do to the performance and what they can be adjusted to with some tweaking ! (I wonder if a BIOS flash from a 5850 would reenable some of those disabled portions or if the manufacturing process really was that bad that they had to cut that much off (was it more necessity or was it to align the performance with the pricing structure ?)

 

[mactronix]

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-hd-5830,review-31818.html

Im dissapointed it reads to me as a why the hell buy this instead of a 5770. Im concentrating on the gaming performance here. $80 extra for 4 or 5 FPS umm let me think NO
Other reviews may well show it overclocking well but that is rare to be gauranteed.

So no decent DX11 games and no price/performance deals this gen = Im waiting for the next gen, I think

Mactronix

 

[mactronix]

Link keeps coming up Server not found

Mactronix

 

[Truhls]

Man im just not sure what to get now, seems the 5770 would be the best option considering how similar in performance it is with the 5830. Man im just really disappointed with these benchmarks so far.