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a c 131 U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 1:59:58 PM

Hi,
Over at Fudzilla they have a link to a site that has benched the 5830 is anyone is interested.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17803/1/

Mactronix

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a c 130 U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 2:34:13 PM

So it beats a GTX260 when high res's/AA is involved, and is sub-par with a GTX275. Not bad.
a c 131 U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 2:44:25 PM

Im a bit dissapointed really. I would have thought considering the way that they seemed to be pushing power/perf that these would have gotten in on a single PCIE cable but they end up needing more juice that a 5850.
Does have me wondering why though. Im guessing that its needed to stabilise the chip as i dont see anything in the spec that would call for it.

Mactronix
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a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 2:55:37 PM

Lower binned parts will need higher voltages to stabilise the transistors yep.

It's 2% faster than the gtx275 overall, with some friendlier games benchmarked it will probably prove to be the same speed as the 285. It's hit the target area ATI aimed at, all that really matters now is the price.
a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 3:02:00 PM

jennyh said:
Lower binned parts will need higher voltages to stabilise the transistors yep.

It's 2% faster than the gtx275 overall, with some friendlier games benchmarked it will probably prove to be the same speed as the 285. It's hit the target area ATI aimed at, all that really matters now is the price.

Your exaggerating from the article just quoted from.
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However, it's fast enough to match the GTX 260 and even the GTX 275 in some tests, although Nvidia's cards are somewhat faster in FarCry 2.

Its more like in 2% of the cases its as fast as a gtx275, and the only way a GTX285 figures in here is, that in some games a gtx 285 matches a 5850 and would smoke the 5830.

edit: anyways, in that article, Hawx and NFS shift the 5830 is almost 20% slower than a 5850. So if its 20% less expensive than a 270 (USA) 5850, would it be a good deal at 220? I would say of course. Thats what a gtx260 goes for without dx11.
a c 131 U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 3:07:07 PM

Yes they do seem to have the pie nicely sliced up for themselves at the moment dont they.
I wouldnt expect any surprises price wise, that will fit right in the segment left for it as well.
I dont know the prices off hand but did read on these forums a couple of days ago that the prices had gone up again, Hmm thats a nice coincidence (me thinks not ;)  ) that means the new card has a higher price point to come in at.

Anyway good asthey are im not looking to upgrade this time around i still hav eall th eperformance i need so its wait and see time again untill the 6 series :lol: 
Only thing is if i upgrade now i can sell my 4 series and then my 5 series etc but if i wait the 4 series will probably be to old to find a buyer :pt1cable: 
Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 3:21:02 PM

notty22 said:
Your exaggerating from the article just quoted from.http://img.tomshardware.com/forum/uk/icones/smilies/non.gif
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However, it's fast enough to match the GTX 260 and even the GTX 275 in some tests, although Nvidia's cards are somewhat faster in FarCry 2.

Its more like in 2% of the cases its as fast as a gtx275, and the only way a GTX285 figures in here is, that in some games a gtx 285 matches a 5850 and would smoke the 5830.http://img.tomshardware.com/forum/uk/icones/smilies/sleep.gif

edit: anyways, in that article, Hawx and NFS shift the 5830 is almost 20% slower than a 5850. So if its 20% less expensive than a 270 (USA) 5850, would it be a good deal at 220? I would say of course. Thats what a gtx260 goes for without dx11.


5830 275
31 33
45 55
47 35
42 43
99 85
71 67
55 57
64 62

454 437

= The 5830 is 17fps or 4% faster than the gtx275. That puts it extremely close to a gtx285 overall.


Just to add, the 4830 was a tiny bit faster than the 8800gt/9800gt so you can see how ATI are progressing nicely while Nvidia falters.
a c 131 U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 3:22:48 PM

notty22 said:
Your exaggerating from the article just quoted from.http://img.tomshardware.com/forum/uk/icones/smilies/non.gif
Quote:
However, it's fast enough to match the GTX 260 and even the GTX 275 in some tests, although Nvidia's cards are somewhat faster in FarCry 2.

Its more like in 2% of the cases its as fast as a gtx275, and the only way a GTX285 figures in here is, that in some games a gtx 285 matches a 5850 and would smoke the 5830.http://img.tomshardware.com/forum/uk/icones/smilies/sleep.gif

edit: anyways, in that article, Hawx and NFS shift the 5830 is almost 20% slower than a 5850. So if its 20% less expensive than a 270 (USA) 5850, would it be a good deal at 220? I would say of course. Thats what a gtx260 goes for without dx11.


Im bloody impressed with anyone who can read the whole of that article with out going cross eyed and brained :lol: 
The fact that its a referance free card will no doubt lead to various designs and performance levels depending on how frisky the vendors are feeling. The one thing i did draw from the article was how well the card they had Overclocked. If this carries across all the chips then the opertunity for companies to use higher clocks is an interesting one.

Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 3:25:16 PM

What I find strange is the memory bus is showing as 128 bit on their OC screens



I thought it was using the 256 bit bus the same as the 5850 vs. the 128 bit of the 5770 !!
a c 131 U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 3:35:56 PM

JDFan said:
What I find strange is the memory bus is showing as 128 bit on their OC screens

http://image3.it168.com//2010/2/24/5ac95924-eb57-48b5-95fa-a12504924f7e.jpg

I thought it was using the 256 bit bus the same as the 5850 vs. the 128 bit of the 5770 !!



It would be far from the first time GPUZ showed the wrong info.
These are early benchies from a site I at least am not familiar with so I'm guessing more will become apparent tomorrow when the main site we all know and love :D  release their benchies.

Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 3:36:41 PM

This gigabyte model with the dual fans looks sweet.
Quote:
okini55 lol I thought the 5770 was on par with GTX 260.


Different architectures, in some games it is , some not.
a c 131 U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 3:36:50 PM

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lol I thought the 5770 was on par with GTX 260.



Yes we need to see that card in the mix also. Its not just how good it is we need to know but how much better.

Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 5:09:09 PM

Quote:
btw. I got a 450W no brand Acer PSU and I wanna buy 5770 but will 5830 work with that PSU?. I had problems with 4890 when I tried cos the PSU was to weak but yeah. Im 100% sure that 5770 will work but I yeah I hope 5830 works cos I can afford both.


well according to Notty22s specs he posted the 5830's power consumption is 175W max (about 75W more than the 5770) which is more than the 5850 !! So a 450W PSU will not be enough if that is correct.
a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 5:25:28 PM

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ok thanks for the answer =D Ill stick to 5770 then


Well until it is actually released we do not know if the specs are correct at 175 or it is a misprint and should be 125W which would seem more likely as that is between the 5770 and the 5850 which would make more sense !!
a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 5:42:05 PM

No, its been noted that due to binning it will run hotter and with more voltage then the 5850, it was noted several days ago at some preview place I can't remember. So yes, it uses more power then the 5850. I would like to see some 5830 vs 5770 OC benchmarks.
a c 130 U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 5:47:10 PM

If it has a higher voltage, it must have a higher OC-ability.

If an HD5850 can OC to an HD5870 (HD5850 having lower SP's), than the HD5830 should be able to OC to an HD5850.
a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 5:50:23 PM

5770 is almost identical to the 260 in performance, some benches have it higher and some have it lower, but for the most part, it is spot on.

As far as the 5830 goes, it will be right in between the 275/285, again, some benches are different. AMD did this intentionally, the price will be more than justified.

Over the past two years, i have seen many people switch from Nvidia to ATI video cards, myself included. I just feel that Nvidia is pricing way too high.
a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 6:01:03 PM

If the 5830 comes out to be more than 240.00 then IMO it aint worth it when you can get the 5850 at around 280.00$.

a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 6:04:47 PM

Im thinking the high TDP is simply because of the lack of ATI specs required for this card, meaning therell be many types of cards with many types of cooling,pcbs etc
In other words, some cards may be screamers, others may be yawners
a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 6:11:05 PM

OvrClkr said:
If the 5830 comes out to be more than 240.00 then IMO it aint worth it when you can get the 5850 at around 280.00$.



My guess would be that the 5830 will release @ $239.99, that is, of course, depending on the vendor/model/etc...
a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 6:12:15 PM

jonpaul37 said:
5770 is almost identical to the 260 in performance, some benches have it higher and some have it lower, but for the most part, it is spot on.

As far as the 5830 goes, it will be right in between the 275/285, again, some benches are different. AMD did this intentionally, the price will be more than justified.

Over the past two years, i have seen many people switch from Nvidia to ATI video cards, myself included. I just feel that Nvidia is pricing way too high.


And I have also seen many switch from ATI to Nvidia because they could not stand the driver issues ;) 

To this date we have not seen the true sweetness of DX11 as of yet, my GTX 260 achieves the same numbers as the 5850 when it comes to Dirt2 (1680x 1050). So untill we can see a DX11 card run a DX11 game at a higher framerate with less FPS drops vs. a DX10 card we cannot assume that one brand is better than the other.
a b U Graphics card
February 24, 2010 6:13:19 PM

OvrClkr said:
If the 5830 comes out to be more than 240.00 then IMO it aint worth it when you can get the 5850 at around 280.00$.


Agreed - I'd see it more settling in at the $200 - $220 range to be worth the investment and actually closer to the $200 since they crippled the ROPs by cutting them in half - I mean the Pixel fillrate and the Z\stencil rate, and memory bandwidth are all lower than the 5770 due to having the same # of ROPs and a lower memory clock - will be interesting to see the final benchmarks against the 5770 and 5850 once it is released just to see what effect the various cuts they made actually do to the performance and what they can be adjusted to with some tweaking ! (I wonder if a BIOS flash from a 5850 would reenable some of those disabled portions or if the manufacturing process really was that bad that they had to cut that much off (was it more necessity or was it to align the performance with the pricing structure ?)
a c 131 U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 6:14:35 AM

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-hd-5830,review-318...

Im dissapointed it reads to me as a why the hell buy this instead of a 5770. Im concentrating on the gaming performance here. $80 extra for 4 or 5 FPS umm let me think NO
Other reviews may well show it overclocking well but that is rare to be gauranteed.

So no decent DX11 games and no price/performance deals this gen = Im waiting for the next gen, I think :) 

Mactronix
a c 131 U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 6:31:17 AM

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a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 6:41:51 AM

Man im just not sure what to get now, seems the 5770 would be the best option considering how similar in performance it is with the 5830. Man im just really disappointed with these benchmarks so far.
a c 131 U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 6:58:24 AM

Truhls said:
Man im just not sure what to get now, seems the 5770 would be the best option considering how similar in performance it is with the 5830. Man im just really disappointed with these benchmarks so far.


Just what i thought, but then the reason i didnt get a 5770 in the first place was because it just dosent offer enough for the money.

As it is for a new PC i wouldnt hesitate but as an upgrade you would need to be going from a 3 series or some such to make it worthwhile in my opinion.

Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 7:01:56 AM

mactronix said:
Just what i thought, but then the reason i didnt get a 5770 in the first place was because it just dosent offer enough for the money.

As it is for a new PC i wouldnt hesitate but as an upgrade you would need to be going from a 3 series or some such to make it worthwhile in my opinion.

Mactronix


Well im using an 8600 GTS, with a new rig i just built a month or so ago. I was waiting for this card, because it was going to be price at exactly where i wanted to spend, but the performance isnt there to justify it now it looks like.
a c 376 U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 8:54:51 AM

mactronix said:
Just what i thought, but then the reason i didnt get a 5770 in the first place was because it just dosent offer enough for the money.

Why does it not offer enough for the money? I can understand thinking that at launch when it was $25 more and the HD4870 and GTX 260 were cheaper but these days it's a great deal at around $150. On a price/performance basis it is one of the sweet spots in the current market along with the HD5850 on the higher end, HD4670 on the low end.
If you are avoiding one of the best deals for the money on the market because it isn't enough for the money then your expectations are simply unreasonable.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 1:18:47 PM

jyjjy said:
Why does it not offer enough for the money? I can understand thinking that at launch when it was $25 more and the HD4870 and GTX 260 were cheaper but these days it's a great deal at around $150. On a price/performance basis it is one of the sweet spots in the current market along with the HD5850 on the higher end, HD4670 on the low end.
If you are avoiding one of the best deals for the money on the market because it isn't enough for the money then your expectations are simply unreasonable.


I'd agree looks like the 5770 is the way to go especially when you consider the power consumption and if you have an Xfire MOBO you can add a second one to the mix later and get good scaling with it as the games that require more performance are released.

Newegg has the HIS model for a good price right now ( $142 after a $10 MIR with free shipping ) - It's a shame the cut the # of ROPs so much that it really hurts the performance of the 5830 it would have been nice to see it a bit closer in performance to the 5850 to justify the $239 price but as is I'd think it will need to frop to the $189 - $199 price point to be correctly positioned between the 5770 and 5850 based on the performance. And this unfortunately means the 5770 pricing isn't going to move much if at all and if anything the 5850 will go up a bit more to reflect the bigger jump in performance it gives over the 5830 ! - and from the pre-release info the FERMI isn't going to apply much pressure to bring the prices down either.
a c 131 U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 2:32:48 PM

jyjjy said:
Why does it not offer enough for the money? I can understand thinking that at launch when it was $25 more and the HD4870 and GTX 260 were cheaper but these days it's a great deal at around $150. On a price/performance basis it is one of the sweet spots in the current market along with the HD5850 on the higher end, HD4670 on the low end.
If you are avoiding one of the best deals for the money on the market because it isn't enough for the money then your expectations are simply unreasonable.


You have your views and i have mine,
As i said in the whole post,

"Just what i thought, but then the reason i didn't get a 5770 in the first place was because it just doesn't offer enough for the money.

As it is for a new PC i wouldn't hesitate but as an upgrade you would need to be going from a 3 series or some such to make it worthwhile in my opinion."

So as an upgrade for me personally i cant justify the cost as it offers nothing that is relevant to me.
I'm not bashing the card as i said for a new PC then yes its a great card but as an upgrade for me personally with my set of circumstances its just not offering enough of a difference from what i have.
Yes there is the feature set but i have no wish to run multiple monitors and as i have said before DX11 is s no show so far so i would basically be buying a few frames and maybe some future support for games.
Again just from my personal position i would much rather wait until the features are needed before buying the hardware.

Mactronix :) 
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 2:59:23 PM

And I thought that the 5830 would be at least 25/30% faster than the 5770, anyways IMO that XFX 4890 at 169.99$ is as good as it gets when we are talking about price to performance. And to be quite frank DX11 has not showed us anything special to this date. I was about to purchase dual 5770's before we had the confermation that Fermi would be released towards the end of March. But in the end the question that still remains is : Do we really need a DX11 card at this stage?

The reason I ask this question is because I have already seen the comparisons in Dirt2 using DX10 and DX11 GPU's, i might be wrong but I do not see a difference when it comes to the "eye candy". Someone correct me if I am wrong here, I just dont see how a DX11 card's pricetag is justifiable vs. a DX10 (ex: XFX 4890) at this point in time, maybe later when we have more titles to choose from we will actually see a difference in visuals. I just do not want to buy a card just for the low power consumption/low heat etc.. etc.. I am ok with my power bill and my current GPU will max out at 60/65c (55% fan speed) depending on ambient.

If Fermi (470) indeed comes out to be faster than the 5870 then I guess I will shell out the cash but if it aint then I am stuck, specially since my board is CF only..
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 3:06:25 PM

We have a few sites confirmed to be working on AvP dx11 articles. Looking for it,I feel like you OvrClkr . Dirt2 graphics indistinguishable ,'to me' dx11 vs dx9. Lets see what Aliens look like with that bad ass tale !
a c 131 U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 3:12:57 PM

Hopefully when Nvidia have a DX11 part out as well we will start to see some games that actually make DX11 worth while from a visuals point of view.
It could well be that this has been an Nvidia plot all along. They have been pushing PhysX while talking down DX11. DX11 hasnt really shone yet. So what would happen if Fermi could do DX11 and PhysX at similar FPS to a 5870 ? What would people pay for that ?
Probably not this generation but while not a game changer it sure made Batman AA look good in places.
Just a thought.

Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 3:36:57 PM

mactronix said:
Hopefully when Nvidia have a DX11 part out as well we will start to see some games that actually make DX11 worth while from a visuals point of view.
It could well be that this has been an Nvidia plot all along. They have been pushing PhysX while talking down DX11. DX11 hasnt really shone yet. So what would happen if Fermi could do DX11 and PhysX at similar FPS to a 5870 ? What would people pay for that ?
Probably not this generation but while not a game changer it sure made Batman AA look good in places.
Just a thought.

Mactronix


Problem with that (if that is what they were doing) is that as long as one GPU maker controls Physx game companies are not going to use it as a primary source of in game physics (they are not going to cut off half of their market) so it will always be an effect added after the main game is made by the post processing dept. (Same problem with the DX11 game releases to date as the user base for DX11 is still more limited than DX9 so game makers are designing their games for the broader market base and adding a few DX11 effects as an afterthought.) - Hopefully once Nvidia releases Fermi and the market for non DX11 based cards starts to dwindle (as the non DX11 cards become harder to find and more expensive than their comparable DX11 competitors) we will see some games designed with DX11 as a core of the games programming so that we can really see what it is capable of.