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GTX 285 - is a 8k score on 3DMark Vantage normal?

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February 25, 2010 2:44:29 AM

Let me start by saying I'm not a huge expert when it comes to computers. I recently put together a new gaming system consisting of the following pieces:

Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819115202
Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814130480
Mother Board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813131365
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820145262
PSU: http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMPSU-1000HX-1000-Watt-Professional-compatible/dp/B00154QAXQ/ref=pd_rhf_shvl_1
Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822152202
Running Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bits

I've noticed very inconsistent performance in games. While some games (such as Mass Effect 1 and 2, L4D 1 and 2, Bioshock 1 and 2, Batman: Arkham Asylum) run flawlessly, some other games are giving me a lot of trouble and making my system literally bend over. Which games are these? Oblivion, The Witcher and Torchlight. Oblivion's FPS drops like a rock whenever I'm holding the torch with one hand and fighting enemies (it's especially noticeable in the intro sequence, right when you meet up with the king and his guards as they are attacked); Torchlight goes into stutter mode whenever I run into a big group of enemies: the game starts hiccuping (interestingly enough, there's no FPS loss at all according to FRAPs, just pauses in animation). As far as The Witcher goes, if I set the Shadows setting anywhere but Low the game's FPS becomes extremely unstable, to the point where my FPS will just drop in exactly half for no reason whatsoever if I stand in a precise spot in an area, not to mention tons of micro stutters similar to those I get in Torchlight while running around. I should also mention that if I try to play Fallout 3 with the latest 190 drivers, I get massive outdoor stutters. I have to revert to the old 186 drivers but once I do that the game runs flawlessly.

Anyway, somebody told me to run a benchmark utility, and being new to those I downloaded the trial version of 3DMark Vantage and let it run. When the test was over, it rated my GPU score in the high 8000s. Now, I'm not an expert on this kind of stuff, but isn't that score a little bit low? During the first two tests (the one where the chick escapes and the space one) I noticed some stutters similar to those I get on The Witcher and Torchlight. When the fourth and last test ran (I believe it was called Crash 'n Burn Physics), the animation of whatever was happening on screen went down to a crawl with lots of stuttering. It sort of speed up near the end of the test.

Any thoughts? I sort of figured games like Bioshock and Mass Effect 2 were a bit more taxing on the system than The Witcher and Torchlight, but I don't know.
February 25, 2010 3:34:36 AM

Selakah said:
Let me start by saying I'm not a huge expert when it comes to computers. I recently put together a new gaming system consisting of the following pieces:

Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819115202
Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814130480
Mother Board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813131365
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820145262
PSU: http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMPSU-1000HX-1000-Watt-Professional-compatible/dp/B00154QAXQ/ref=pd_rhf_shvl_1
Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822152202
Running Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bits

I've noticed very inconsistent performance in games. While some games (such as Mass Effect 1 and 2, L4D 1 and 2, Bioshock 1 and 2, Batman: Arkham Asylum) run flawlessly, some other games are giving me a lot of trouble and making my system literally bend over. Which games are these? Oblivion, The Witcher and Torchlight. Oblivion's FPS drops like a rock whenever I'm holding the torch with one hand and fighting enemies (it's especially noticeable in the intro sequence, right when you meet up with the king and his guards as they are attacked); Torchlight goes into stutter mode whenever I run into a big group of enemies: the game starts hiccuping (interestingly enough, there's no FPS loss at all according to FRAPs, just pauses in animation). As far as The Witcher goes, if I set the Shadows setting anywhere but Low the game's FPS becomes extremely unstable, to the point where my FPS will just drop in exactly half for no reason whatsoever if I stand in a precise spot in an area, not to mention tons of micro stutters similar to those I get in Torchlight while running around. I should also mention that if I try to play Fallout 3 with the latest 190 drivers, I get massive outdoor stutters. I have to revert to the old 186 drivers but once I do that the game runs flawlessly.

Anyway, somebody told me to run a benchmark utility, and being new to those I downloaded the trial version of 3DMark Vantage and let it run. When the test was over, it rated my GPU score in the high 8000s. Now, I'm not an expert on this kind of stuff, but isn't that score a little bit low? During the first two tests (the one where the chick escapes and the space one) I noticed some stutters similar to those I get on The Witcher and Torchlight. When the fourth and last test ran (I believe it was called Crash 'n Burn Physics), the animation of whatever was happening on screen went down to a crawl with lots of stuttering. It sort of speed up near the end of the test.

Any thoughts? I sort of figured games like Bioshock and Mass Effect 2 were a bit more taxing on the system than The Witcher and Torchlight, but I don't know.


You should be in the 15K to 17K range ( did you overclocking)
I am at 15917 and I have Intel i5 Quad Core

I have the best overclock for an Intel i5 750 2.66Ghz to 4.01Ghz So far.

Also this photo as the latest 3D Mark06 score that is 23449






Intel Core i5 750
Windows 7 (6.1) Ultimate Edition (Build 7600)
CPU Arch : 1 CPU - 4 Cores - 4 Threads
CPU PSN : Intel Core i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67GHz
CPU EXT : MMX, SSE (1, 2, 3, 3S, 4.1, 4.2), EM64T, VT-x
CPUID : 6.E.5 / Extended : 6.1E
CPU Cache : L1 : 4 x 32 / 4 x 32 KB - L2 : 4 x 256 KB
CPU Cache : L3 : 8192 KB
Core : Lynnfield (45 nm) / Stepping : B1
Freq : 4009.2 MHz (211.01 * 19)
MB Brand : Gigabyte
MB Model : P55-USB3
NB : Intel DMI Host Bridge rev 11
SB : Intel P55 rev 06
GPU Type : Radeon HD 5850
GPU Clocks : Core 157 MHz / RAM 300 MHz
DirectX Version : 11.0
RAM : 4096 MB DDR3 Dual Channel
RAM Speed : 633 MHz (2:6) @ 9-9-9-23
Slot 1 : 1024MB (10700)
Slot 1 Manufacturer : Crucial Technology
Slot 2 : 1024MB (10700)
Slot 2 Manufacturer : Crucial Technology
Slot 3 : 1024MB (10700)
Slot 3 Manufacturer : Crucial Technology
Slot 4 : 1024MB (10700)
Slot 4 Manufacturer : Crucial Technology
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February 25, 2010 3:52:54 AM

Nope, I didn't overclock. Like I mentioned in my original post, I'm not an expert when it comes to most computer stuff. I put this system together about a month ago and was experiencing some inconsistent performance with my games, so I ran a benchmark test (something I had never done before and have little to no experience with) and got that result, hence why I was asking if it was normal.

From what you are saying, I take it's not normal to get results like that, so something's got to be wrong with my system. Now the question is what.
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February 25, 2010 3:56:53 AM

Selakah said:
Nope, I didn't overclock. Like I mentioned in my original post, I'm not an expert when it comes to most computer stuff. I put this system together about a month ago and was experiencing some inconsistent performance with my games, so I ran a benchmark test (something I had never done before and have little to no experience with) and got that result, hence why I was asking if it was normal.

From what you are saying, I take it's not normal to get results like that, so something's got to be wrong with my system. Now the question is what.


Well I'd think you should still be in the 12K or 13K range
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February 25, 2010 4:03:16 AM

Couple pics here to see if they help diagnose the problem:

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February 25, 2010 4:11:51 AM

Selakah said:
Couple pics here to see if they help diagnose the problem:

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/6198/cpuzz.jpg


Video card can be one reason because GDDR3,
But Not quite sure and can be a number of things But then again it's 3D mark Vantage.
everything is at stock settings so maybe that is the correct score but if you had a GDDR5 video card I would most have to say
that your score would increase a bit
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February 25, 2010 4:15:41 AM

Going back to one of my original questions: Is it normal for The Witcher and Torchlight to be stuttering and hiccuping all over the place, while newer games like Mass Effect 2, Bioshock 2 and Left 4 Dead 2 run flawlessly and smooth like butter?
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February 25, 2010 4:26:07 AM

Selakah said:
Going back to one of my original questions: Is it normal for The Witcher and Torchlight to be stuttering and hiccuping all over the place, while newer games like Mass Effect 2, Bioshock 2 and Left 4 Dead 2 run flawlessly and smooth like butter?


Should run normal, That I have to check and see what is the best answer for that.
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a c 80 Î Nvidia
February 25, 2010 5:42:44 AM

I have an i7 920, and with a single 5870 at stock, I got around 18k. A 285 shouldn't be much lower. I saw another person before with a similar setup and problem found he had put his memory in the wrong configuration. It might also be a good idea to test the memory.
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February 25, 2010 7:20:48 AM

bystander said:
I have an i7 920, and with a single 5870 at stock, I got around 18k. A 285 shouldn't be much lower. I saw another person before with a similar setup and problem found he had put his memory in the wrong configuration. It might also be a good idea to test the memory.


I think that is a good idea as well
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a b Î Nvidia
February 25, 2010 8:10:19 AM

theres your problem, you have 4x2GB of RAM (dual channel)

You want either 3x1GB, 3x2GB or 6x2GB of RAM for triple channel mode. If you can return your RAM and get something like this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OR this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OR this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Well theres loads to choose from, but it has to be triple channel
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February 25, 2010 1:32:06 PM

Rustyy117 said:
theres your problem, you have 4x2GB of RAM (dual channel)


I've been running only 3 of those sticks in triple channel, so I don't think that's the issue. :( 


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a b Î Nvidia
February 25, 2010 1:54:23 PM

oh right, why did you buy 8 GB then ?
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a c 80 Î Nvidia
February 25, 2010 2:21:20 PM

Back to those 3 sticks of ram, which slots did you put them in?
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February 25, 2010 2:28:11 PM

RAM placement shouldnt kill a score that bad, sorry. Many have to place RAM in the "wrong" banks because of oversized air coolers and their scores do not suffer at all. Vantage scores on Nvidia cards are often artificially higher because of phsyx as well. RAM problems in Vantage usually crash it or freeze it, not lower the score. You may have some junk drivers causing you problems.
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February 25, 2010 2:39:35 PM

roofus said:
RAM placement shouldnt kill a score that bad, sorry. Many have to place RAM in the "wrong" banks because of oversized air coolers and their scores do not suffer at all. Vantage scores on Nvidia cards are often artificially higher because of phsyx as well. RAM problems in Vantage usually crash it or freeze it, not lower the score. You may have some junk drivers causing you problems.


While it shouldn't, I've seen people here who have lost a lot of performance with it in the wrong slots with the i7's. They had a lot of stuttering problems too.
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February 25, 2010 2:42:57 PM

I follow ya there Bystander and wouldn't dispute it. I guess it depends on the specific board. I cant speak specifically to the P6T board as mine was an EVGA Classified and it didn't care where you populated the memory. I wouldnt consider it acceptable if there is any truth to it though.
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February 25, 2010 4:17:40 PM

Rustyy117 said:
oh right, why did you buy 8 GB then ?


Bad choice on my part.

The RAM sticks are on the A1, B1 and C1 DIMM slots as per the manual's indication. I've checked and double checked the positions to make sure they are in the right spots.

As far as drivers, right now I'm running the latest BETA drivers for my video card, but I think I've tried all the NVidia drivers from the 185 to the 196 ones. The only difference I see is that Fallout 3 is unplayable with the 190+ drivers. Any other ideas? :??: 
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