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HD5830 Review by TOM and Anandtech

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How do you think about the pricing of HD5830?

Total: 55 votes (12 blank votes)

  • Excellent
  • 5 %
  • Good
  • 5 %
  • OK
  • 23 %
  • Poor
  • 39 %
  • Ridiculous
  • 23 %
  • Insane
  • 7 %
February 25, 2010 3:40:19 AM

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Add "Meh" to the list. :) 

IMO It's a FAIL at 250 dollars. It's a MEH at 200 Dollars. I'd rather pickup a 4890 @ 199.99 then a 5830 @ 239.99

Also there are NO Xfire review's posted. :fou: 

All HD5xxx should have similar CF scaling.
February 25, 2010 3:47:37 AM

Well Not good for me I would have to say but for someone that wants to only spend about $250.00 go right ahead but I think you would be better off just saving up that extra 50 dollars and get a 5850.
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February 25, 2010 3:49:28 AM

Agree and that is what I am going to do!
February 25, 2010 3:53:13 AM

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It all depends on XFX's price. I'm HOPING for 249.99 but knowing XFX thinking 269.99 and there's no way i'll pay that much for one.


Going to have to agree with that. XFX is banking for sure on this 5830 and take and take and take
February 25, 2010 3:55:33 AM

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HIS version comes with Modern Warefare 2 and if it's 249.99 would be a decent deal.


Now that is decent for a noob's point of view and first time spending that much money on a card
February 25, 2010 3:57:30 AM

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Would work very well for me because i don't have MW2 :lol: 



But you are not a noob
February 25, 2010 3:58:44 AM

I got MW2 for free after my friend was tired of it. :p 
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 4:07:41 AM

Lets see what the AIBs come up with here. They may make cheaper cards, and this is release pricing. Look for better deals in 2 weeks, and some differing cards as well
February 25, 2010 4:15:20 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Lets see what the AIBs come up with here. They may make cheaper cards, and this is release pricing. Look for better deals in 2 weeks, and some differing cards as well


Gosh! That's why I hate AMD fanboys. All they can do is insulting others when others show them truth against AMD.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 4:27:00 AM

Anand is calling out ATI on this one, its a PAPER LAUNCH to boot ! They blew it on this one, its TO crippled. Its only 10% faster in places than the 5770, for 70 extra dollars ?
This one has managed to lose all the magic of the 5850, all IMHO.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 4:32:30 AM

andy5174 said:
Gosh! That's why I hate AMD fanboys. All they can do is insulting others when others show them truth against AMD.

How is anyone insulting anyone here?
And Ill warn you now, maybe you misunderstood me here, which is fine, but youre accusing me of too many things, and Im not liking it much, so explain how Im insulting anyone?
February 25, 2010 4:33:20 AM

notty22 said:
Anand is calling out ATI on this one, its a PAPER LAUNCH to boot ! They blew it on this one, its TO crippled. Its only 10% faster in places than the 5770, for 70 extra dollars ?
This one has managed to lose all the magic of the 5850, all IMHO.

For once, I agree with notty22, this card is pretty fail. If they priced it at around 200 then it would be mediocre at best seeing as the 4890 performs better.
February 25, 2010 4:33:35 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
How is anyone insulting anyone here?
And Ill warn you now, maybe you misunderstood me here, which is fine, but youre accusing me of too many things, and Im not liking it much, so explain how Im insulting anyone?


Look here:
JAYDEEJOHN said:
Lets see what the AIBs come up with here. They may make cheaper cards, and this is release pricing. Look for better deals in 2 weeks, and some differing cards as well

AIB = Asian Insane boy

You warn me for what? For not agreeing with you?
February 25, 2010 4:36:20 AM

badboydiablo said:
For once, I agree with notty22, this card is pretty fail. If they priced it at around 200 then it would be mediocre at best seeing as the 4890 performs better.

+1
February 25, 2010 4:59:25 AM

Everyone else are welcome to tell me if I think the wrong way and I will apologize if this is the case.
February 25, 2010 5:14:53 AM

OK. My apology to jaydeejohn.

BTW, damn PsychoSaysDie give me the rig in your sig. after your next upgrade!!!!!
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 5:35:48 AM

Well im sad now after reading both of those reviews. I was thinking the 5830 would be 20ish % below the 5850, which is kind of is, but i was hoping a good OC would offset the difference. But with the ROPS cut in HALF that may be a hard one to pull off, especially considering they already have more juice in them then the 5850.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 6:00:49 AM

I wonder if you can BIOS flash it into a 5870 and unlock all 1600 cores... :D 

It might burn out, but it's worth a try if you're crazy enuff...
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 6:02:30 AM

Perf is there, price isnt. Id wait, as these may go cheap down the road
Andy, I dont do what you thought, as thats just wrong, its ok, but anyone who does what you thought I did, let me know
a c 125 U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 9:26:35 AM

yesturday you could get a 5850 at overclockers.co.uk for £210, now that the 5830 has arrived at £210 they have pushed the price of the 5850 to £220 >.<

The 5830 needs to be cheaper.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 10:45:39 AM

This card is the direct sucessor to the 4890 + DX11 and Eyefinity with it's premium charge. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now, a smart buy would still be a 5850 (up tier) with it's OC potential, there's still no better card ATM for that (it even runs cooler at default setting, lol my bad, lol). And the 5770 (mid tier) would be the other smart buy since it's not so far appart from the 5830.

That "no price land" segment where the 5830 landed leaves us flat footed, because *I think/believe* ATI thought: Cypress can be easily OC'ed, so let's cripple the card the other way around and get real profit.

Didn't like the card, for a performance so close to the 5770 it ain't worth the premium nor be called 5830; 5790 would've been better since, like I said, it's the direct sucessor to the 4890...

Bad move IMO, but time will tell about that.

Cheers!

EDIT: Fixed line.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 10:50:16 AM

Yeah i am seriously on the fence about this card. I just cant tell if i should buy it or not, i imagine performance will get slightly better with drivers, but that is true of all the 5x series cards, really. I was just thinking this card would have far more potential then it does. It is right at the sweet spot for the money i have to spend, but im just not sure if it would be a good deal yet.
February 25, 2010 10:53:21 AM

meh..... barely beats the 5770 . No thanks.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 10:56:26 AM

In my mind, looking at the first wave of benchies, the card is clearly more capable then the 5770 in DX11 mode, but still a bit overpriced ($199 would have been a better price, as the 4890 is STILL a more powerful card overall...). $239 wasn't as bad as I was expecting though.

In my mind, if you WANT DX11, and some degree of future-proofing, this is currently the card to get, unless you want to fork over the cash for a 5850...
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 10:57:01 AM

It's not a "smart buy" IMO, but it's still cheaper than a 5850. Has a few extra FPS'es than a 5770, but it's not a *great* difference either.

If you can live with a 10-20% performance hit overall, get a 5770; if you can save a little more, get a 5850; if you can find a cheap 4890 (and don't care much about power draw and noise), get it :p 

Cheers!
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 11:05:28 AM

Actually i think i have decided on getting the 5830. After reading so many reviews, some have it OC'ed, and tends to gain about 20% performance from OC'ing it, which is a lot more then most other GPU's. The OC Specs have it beating a lot of other stuff.

Looks like ill be getting the sapphire edition, so i can sell the MW2 for 30 bucks and get some money back, :D 

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd5830...
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 11:37:40 AM

People whinging about its performance vs the 4890 seem to be missing the point that the 4890 costs a lot less than the gtx275 while beating it too.

$230 gtx275 vs $220 5830 is a no-brainer. Even while having the technological lead ATI *still* gives you a better deal than Nvidia. Now if Nvidia want to bring out a card...any card then maybe ATI might feel the need to drop prices. Until then, just be glad it's ATI in the lead and not Nvidia otherwise you'd be paying double for the same performance.
a c 125 U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 11:40:24 AM

It performs very well when overclocked, sometimes beating a 5850 which I find weird considering it has half the ROP's, still though at just £10 cheaper than a 5850 I don't see its worh it at the moment.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 11:43:01 AM

ROP's aren't that critical, at least not compared to clocks and shaders. I read that somebody on overclockers got theirs to over 1ghz core and that will make it faster than a lot of 5850's.

I do agree it needs to drop £20 in price and that will probably come soon.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 11:43:41 AM

Rustyy117 said:
It performs very well when overclocked, sometimes beating a 5850 which I find weird considering it has half the ROP's, still though at just £10 cheaper than a 5850 I don't see its worh it at the moment.


Man where can you find a 5850 for so cheap? i only see ones selling for 300-330, while this will hit for 220-240.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 12:00:03 PM

Like I said yesterday, 10% faster then 5770s. Makes me glad I bought 2x 5770 instead of waiting for this crippled monster.






Look Mah I goes 3fps fasta!
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 12:04:20 PM

Tbh techpowerup badly needs to redo their benchmarks as the 4890 has been ahead of the 275 for a long, long time and is infact almost as fast as a 285 now.
a c 172 U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 12:08:22 PM

This card is a little bit fail and they shouldn't have chopped the rop by half. Second yes I agree with the rest of you guys and gals pricing is crazy it is $50 over spot.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 12:49:03 PM

jennyh said:
Tbh techpowerup badly needs to redo their benchmarks as the 4890 has been ahead of the 275 for a long, long time and is infact almost as fast as a 285 now.

Facepalm, Yeah in your mind. Why don't you dog them and accuse them of trying to make Nvidia look better than they really are, blahblahblah.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 12:50:58 PM

Doesn't look all that great to me (at that price). And higher power consumption? And don't forget, the 5850 can be OC'ed as well (up to 775 with no effort). All in all, if I were getting a new card, I'd save up and go either 2x5770 or 1x5850.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 1:13:40 PM

The 5830 has the same cooler, same memory bus - same pcb really as the 5850.

Any sales of the 5830 are likely to be instead of a 5850 sale. It is priced too high but those are the reasons why. It will be the cheapest Cypress card you can get - note that also means it retains its double precision capabilities for those who need that.

I feel most of the reviews are fair. It's not bad it's just underwhelming and AMD lose money on every one sold compared to a 5850 sale. These things have to be balanced properly. The biggest issue I think is, they priced the 5770 too cheaply and everything looks poor value compared to that.
February 25, 2010 3:02:55 PM

jennyh said:
People whinging about its performance vs the 4890 seem to be missing the point that the 4890 costs a lot less than the gtx275 while beating it too.

$230 gtx275 vs $220 5830 is a no-brainer. Even while having the technological lead ATI *still* gives you a better deal than Nvidia. Now if Nvidia want to bring out a card...any card then maybe ATI might feel the need to drop prices. Until then, just be glad it's ATI in the lead and not Nvidia otherwise you'd be paying double for the same performance.


It's $240 not $220, but ok.

And btw, the 275 actually beats the 5830 in a lot of the benchmarks and is $10 less right now. The only thing that makes the 5830 special is DX11 at this point.

But yeah, if it was $200-220, that would be more reasonable and in line with its performance, and I'm sure when Fermi is "launched" it will drop to around that price bracket, so anyone who buys it right now I'd say is retarded, pardon my french :p 
February 25, 2010 3:11:25 PM

jennyh said:
The 5830 has the same cooler, same memory bus - same pcb really as the 5850.

.....

The biggest issue I think is, they priced the 5770 too cheaply and everything looks poor value compared to that.


It's the 5870 pcb, they are reusing it cause ATI doesn't feel like making a reference board for the 5830, they stated as much in the ATech arty. The cooling on these cards can be anything that the AIB makers put on theirs, so it will vary greatly.

And I think the 5770 is priced exactly where it should be like its 4000 series cousin was. The 5830 is just too high period. Not by much, by still too much for the "sweet spot" as ATech put it.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 3:17:43 PM

HoCP testing is flawed, IMHO. He is switching resolutions, quality settings. This hides any apples to apples comparison. We KNOW the cheaper cards with less hardware available to them are going to be slower. Test with the same settings at a given res to show us how that all works out in real world gaming.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 3:39:08 PM

Not really impressed. The HD 5770 is great at current pricing. The HD 5850 is outstanding, even at current inflated pricing (wish I'd bought one in October at $250). The estimated launch price HD 5830 is too much for its capability and if it goes up for lack of competition its really going to be a poor buy.

I'm happier about my recent Gigabyte GTX 260 Super Overclock purchase after reading a few HD 4830 reviews. I don't see a need for DX11 on the horizon (checked the games in the pipeline) and its faster, cheaper and better made.
February 25, 2010 4:34:10 PM

They don't f***ing ship to New Zealand. :fou: 
February 25, 2010 5:02:16 PM

LOL, you are so kind. I am really appreciated.

However, I am sure that the American price will only benefit me if I get a complete system or HD5970 or something above $500.
a b U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 5:20:26 PM

notty22 said:
HoCP testing is flawed, IMHO. He is switching resolutions, quality settings. This hides any apples to apples comparison. We KNOW the cheaper cards with less hardware available to them are going to be slower. Test with the same settings at a given res to show us how that all works out in real world gaming.


They generally do "Highest Possible" settings, followed by Apples to Apples comparisions, although for some reason, they've yet to do that with the 5830, i agree on that point.

That doesn't hide the fact that the 5770 isn't strong enough for DX11, and needs lower resolution to get playable speed.
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