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February 25, 2010 11:51:53 PM

Ok i just purchased this xfx 4890 card last week.I see now that the 5830 has released.Should i trade it in for a 5830? or will my performance with the 4890 still be better

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a c 130 U Graphics card
February 25, 2010 11:56:39 PM

If you're keeping the HD4890 for < 1.5years, HD4890.
If you're keeping the HD4890 for > 1.5years, HD5830.
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February 26, 2010 12:00:29 AM

They seem perform about the same, only diff is that the 5830 still has room to grow, it runs cooler, and has DX 11 at its disposal.

I would say if its around a 50$ difference, I would go for the 5830, anything more, I don't think its worth it.

If prices are like here where I live, the 5770 is the same as the 4890, and the 5830 seems like it will be more expensive.

Time will tell.
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February 26, 2010 12:01:51 AM

The way everyone talks about dx 11 being the *** nonstop.is every player in the world going to upgrade is it that worth it?.THats what frustrates me a bit
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February 26, 2010 12:03:21 AM

Ask yourself this question.Would you upgrade to a 5830 if you had a 4890.would you yourself in my shoes would you just keep the 4890 dx 10.1 or not lol.i payed 188 for my 4890.
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February 26, 2010 12:17:12 AM

I'd go with the 5830 myself and hope for performance boosts from the maturing drivers.
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February 26, 2010 12:20:01 AM

prototypex said:
The way everyone talks about dx 11 being the *** nonstop.is every player in the world going to upgrade is it that worth it?.THats what frustrates me a bit


I said the features, I'm not pushing dx 11. Remember drivers are still not mature for the 5830. Thats the point. DX 11 is a great feature. When its implemented into games, it looks like it has some great features.

Like i said if the card is more than 50$ difference I wouldn't, if its less I would because drivers will add atleast 8% more performance like we've seen happen in the past.

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February 26, 2010 12:25:53 AM

Id suggest only getting the 5830 if your willing to OC it, the real ability of this GPU is when you OC it, otherwise its just a bad deal and its quite similar to a 5770 in performance, and nowhere the extra price premium if you dont.
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February 26, 2010 12:27:46 AM

keep it. theres like 4 games with dx11, not worth the trip to the store to exchange the cards.

by the time dx11 really kicks in, we'll be in another generation. keep it.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
February 26, 2010 12:53:03 AM

DX11 is nice but the HD5830 is just too expensive for it's performance imo. If you are going to pay that much the HD5850 is really a much better card for not too much more money.
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February 26, 2010 1:03:48 AM

prototypex said:
The way everyone talks about dx 11 being the *** nonstop.is every player in the world going to upgrade is it that worth it?.THats what frustrates me a bit


Within a couple years there probably will not be a choice but to upgrade since DX11 adds several new things that DX 10 can not do and as the base of installed DX11 cards grows (which is inevitable as once Fermi is released noone will be making DX10 cards anymore) game makers will eventually be using it as a standard. SO if you plan to upgrade again within that timeframe then buying a non DX11 card makes sense but for those that plan to keep the system and only do minor updates for the next 3-4 years then it only makes sense to buy DX11 now instead of waiting.
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February 26, 2010 1:14:36 AM

Shadow is right with the first post.

If you want to keep it and crossfire in the future the 5830 is a better option. If you want the most performance per-buck right now the 4890 is better.
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February 26, 2010 11:25:04 AM

4890 all the way!
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a b U Graphics card
February 26, 2010 11:34:36 AM

I have a 4890 and the launch of the 5830 doesn't turn me up at all.

So keep your 4890 for the time being IMO. It will last a lot since DX11 adoption is slower than DX10 and engines are not mature enough to make it a worthy upgrade.

Cheers!
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February 26, 2010 11:47:18 AM

4 voters say 4890 and 3 voters say 5830 and some say for more than 1.5 year and upgrading 5830 is better.
It's your call pal but don't forget to OC .LOL
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February 26, 2010 11:59:21 AM

I think ATIs plan is to keep the 5830 overpriced until they can get rid of their remaining 4850/4870/4890 lines. Once they're gone, the 5830 will drop to $180 or so.

I would keep the 4890. It performs better than the 5830 for DX 9 and 10 and based on the performance of the 5830 running DX 11, it's really not a good card for running DX 11. If you plan to run DX 11, go with the 5850 or higher.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
February 26, 2010 12:08:26 PM

Guys, this isn't ALWAYS about performance, kay? The beenfit of HD5K is new technology, whether it be DX11, power, heat, or what-have-you. If he plans on keeping this build for over a year (rougly 9 months or so), then he should buy the HD5830. If he gets the 4890, he'll have to sell it when his favorite game comes out for DX11 (theoretical, but you get the idea).
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February 26, 2010 12:19:52 PM

HD4890 lacks the DX11 and useless eyefinity(to the majority) but it is significantly better and at a much lower cost.

Besides, you can still run DX10 on DX11 games and it will be the time to upgrade when DX10 is completely obsolete.

In addition, no one would get LGA1366 i7 if power consumption is really a great deal to most peoples which it isn't.

5830 will be extremely outdated by the time that you have recovered the premium from the power bill and everyone else will be already running much more efficient card for ages then.
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February 26, 2010 12:40:39 PM

IMO, AMD is playing as bad in the GFX industry now as it was in the CPU industry in 2005/2006 when Intel was away.

We really need nVidia to be back in competition.
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February 26, 2010 1:48:53 PM

yes but no1 expected this card to beat out the 4890 because the 5850 is the next card up, and we coudn't have it in that performance range because it would make the 5850 obsolete.

Its not about Dx 11 or performance. Its about getting the best bang for the buck, what I want to kno is your question.

DID you buy the 4890 and you can exchange it for a 5850 (meaning get your full money back) or do you have a 4890 and you want to know if you get rid of it and upgrade to the 5830.

Its a big difference. If you have a 4890 and can't get ur money back, this post is answered with a big fat no dont upgrade.

People are forgetting the 5830s extra OC headroom, Driver updates and potential when DX 11 is implemented. Granted it isnt yet, but it brings to the table more than dx 10 and 10.1, alot more. Surprisingly, AVP implemented it pretty well if you have a good eye.

In all honesty if AMD wants to sell this card along side the 4890, its because they want to phase out the 4890 and make as much money as they can before the 400s come out from Nvidia.

If your buying a card, 5830 is great, if you already have a 4890 (non refundable) dont do it, it woul dbe a much better to grab another 4890 and Cf those.

I had them in CF Temporarily till my 5870 came (they were my friends) and I can tell you that if the drivers are good Ati runs better than Nvidia in multi card, and is more flexible.

The only problem is, ATI's drivers suck overall, and aren't like I remember them from the 9800 and 1800/1900 days. If any1 remembers "Catalyst the most reliable drivers" Even then I used Omega Drivers which aloud overclocking and fine tuning:) 

Anyways good luck!!!

P.S

If your in no rush, wait till march 26, we will see a price shift:) 
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February 26, 2010 2:42:00 PM

L1qu1d said:
People are forgetting the 5830s extra OC headroom, Driver updates and potential when DX 11 is implemented. Granted it isnt yet, but it brings to the table more than dx 10 and 10.1, alot more. Surprisingly, AVP implemented it pretty well if you have a good eye.


You are just ASSUMING that the performance will get better and better just as others assume that a HD5770 will a few months ago. However, it has been a few months now and I still haven't seen any improvement from HD5770 yet.

BTW, I haven't got a new GFX yet but HD4890 will definitely be my choice out of the two if it is still available which it's not.

I should have just bought HD4890 instead of waiting for HD5830. Now I am saving up for the HD5850.
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February 26, 2010 2:46:35 PM

L1qu1d said:
The only problem is, ATI's drivers suck overall

Why is when I say that I get berated and labelled as biased? :heink: 
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February 26, 2010 3:01:19 PM

keep the HD 4890. it has much better performance..........
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February 26, 2010 3:03:40 PM

Mousemonkey said:
phughoff said:
The only problem is, ATI's drivers suck overall

Why is when I say that I get berated and labelled as biased? :heink: 


Because you met biased fanboy. :p 


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February 26, 2010 3:29:12 PM

andy5174 said:
Why is when I say that I get berated and labelled as biased? :heink: 


Because you met biased fanboy. :p [/quotemsg]
Are suggesting that Ati fans are in some way biased? Nah, that's highly improbable they are just highly focused individuals who know what's best for everyone. :lol: 
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February 26, 2010 3:39:34 PM

@ andy I assume because its generally true. We've seen it in the past. Immature drivers are always going to under perform whether they stutter or drop in frames.

My 5870 when I had 9.11 drivers would drop to 15 fps in Stalker during God Ray scenes. When I installed the latest drivers 10.2 (yes I've been out of commission for a while) It went back up to a steady 35-40 fps, from a steady 15-35.

And I really dont get your biased Fanboy remark is that towards myself or mousemonkey or urself?
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a c 376 U Graphics card
February 26, 2010 9:09:33 PM

andy5174 said:
You are just ASSUMING that the performance will get better and better just as others assume that a HD5770 will a few months ago. However, it has been a few months now and I still haven't seen any improvement from HD5770 yet.

And in what manner have you looked for an improvement?
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February 27, 2010 8:01:44 AM

FPS!

Higher FPS makes games run smoother which to me is more important than DX11 feature that might make your graphic look better in some cases.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
February 27, 2010 9:42:14 AM

Well duh...
You said that apparently you personally haven't seen any improvement. Have you actually tested the card with different drivers? Have you seen articles about it the subject showing no improvement? Have you looked for this information in any way or are you just assuming it based on nothing and then stating it as if you are making some sort of valid point?
I do remember one of the reviews of the HD5570 mentioning that the HD5770 now equals or beats the HD4870 in most tests. I don't remember which specifically but I could probably find it if you really want me to.
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February 27, 2010 9:48:41 AM

How about you? Have you? Show me the pictures of what you have done if so.
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February 27, 2010 9:50:50 AM

For most of us, the best can be done is talking based on reviews as we can't afford all of the pc parts out there.

BTW, TOM and Anandtech would have done a new review if there is a significant improvement from the new driver.

There are bug fixes but no improvement from the new drivers so far.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
February 27, 2010 10:15:58 AM

You are making a claim that is counter to accepted wisdom and stating it as true. All I did was ask what you are basing it on, you avoided the question by trying to talk down to me so I was forced to clarify what I was asking. And apparently I was correct and the answer is you are basing it on absolutely nothing other that an assumption that if it had happened you would've been informed somehow and you haven't been so you will stick with that. Great logic.
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February 27, 2010 10:21:06 AM

You are keeping talking based on nothing but assumption and this is the reason why you can't get out of this.

At least I talk based on reviews instead of nothing but assumption! You expect me to believe whatever you said based on nothing but assumption?!!

OMG, you got no logic at all!
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February 27, 2010 10:22:57 AM

andy5174 said:
You are keeping talking based on nothing but assumption and this is the reason why you can't get out of this.

At least I talk based on reviews instead of nothing but assumption! You expect me to believe whatever you said based on nothing but assumption?!!

OMG, you got no logic at all!


Can i get that review that says the FPS for a game has been relatively static for a game over the last 3-4 updates? I cant seem to find it anywhere.
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February 27, 2010 10:24:15 AM

@jyjjy:

OK. Let's make it easy.

We both haven't done any test on our own, but at least I talk based on reviews instead of nothing but assumptions.
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February 27, 2010 10:27:10 AM

Truhls said:
Can i get that review that says the FPS for a game has been relatively static for a game over the last 3-4 updates? I cant seem to find it anywhere.

TOM and Anandtech would have done a new review if there is a significant improvement from the new driver.

Here is the latest charts: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-card...
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February 27, 2010 10:27:39 AM

Man, I was asking you specifically what you were basing what YOU were saying on and you've basically admitted it isn't based on anything. I point this out and you come back with I'm not basing what I'm saying on anything while you use reviews? I wasn't really saying anything but asking you what you were basing what YOU were saying on. Your response is nonsensical. It's basically the old "I'm rubber, you're glue" thing little kids use.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
February 27, 2010 10:29:45 AM

I didn't feel like searching through all the HD5570 reviews to find the one I mentioned earlier so I looked for the most recent HD5770 review I could find on the major sites;
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_5770_HAWK/30....
And that review is from the beginning of the month and isn't even based on the newest drivers(10.2) but rather the older 9.12 version. Shows the card is now almost exactly equal to the HD4870 and GTX 260.
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February 27, 2010 10:30:44 AM

jyjjy said:
Man, I was asking you specifically what you were basing what YOU were saying on and you've basically admitted it isn't based on anything. I point this out and you come back with I'm not basing what I'm saying on anything while you use reviews? I wasn't really saying anything but asking you what you were basing what YOU were saying on. Your response is nonsensical. It's basically the old "I'm rubber, you're glue" thing little kids use.

Based on these:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-card...

AMD’s Radeon HD 5830: A Filler Card at the Wrong Price

ATI Radeon HD 5830: Bridging The 5700- And 5800- Price Gap

HD5770 is still a bit less than HD4870 as when it was first released!
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February 27, 2010 10:31:15 AM

HD4890 own the HD5830 everywhere!
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February 27, 2010 10:35:22 AM

Those "Updates" just add new cards they dont retest every card lol.


ALso from your precious review you posted " Incredibly similar gaming performance makes comparisons between the Radeon HD 5830 and Radeon HD 4890 easy " yeah the few FPS gain the 90 has over the 30 makes it "Own" it lol.
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February 27, 2010 10:36:17 AM

TOM and Anandtech would have done a new specific review if there is a significant improvement from the new driver.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
February 27, 2010 10:36:55 AM

Um, did you not even remember that we aren't talking about the HD4890 vs HD5830?
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a c 376 U Graphics card
February 27, 2010 10:38:49 AM

andy5174 said:
TOM and Anandtech would have done a new specific review if there is a significant improvement from the new driver.

Oh really? When have you EVER seen them do that? I think I remember one article at one point discussing the general nature of performance improvements over time with benchmarks to show it. And it said specifically the opposite of what you are saying.
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February 27, 2010 10:39:51 AM

jyjjy said:
Um, did you not even remember that we aren't talking about the HD4890 vs HD5830?

It's you mentioned the comparison between HD5770 and HD4870/GTX260 first!

Check this

jyjjy said:
I didn't feel like searching through all the HD5570 reviews to find the one I mentioned earlier so I looked for the most recent HD5770 review I could find on the major sites;
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_5770_HAWK/30....
And that review is from the beginning of the month and isn't even based on the newest drivers(10.2) but rather the older 9.12 version. Shows the card is now almost exactly equal to the HD4870 and GTX 260.

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February 27, 2010 10:40:44 AM

I think this guy is on crack and forgot we were talking about a 5770.

Also i personally think the 5830 is a better buy for the MASSIVE OC headroom it has over the 4890.
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February 27, 2010 10:41:44 AM

jyjjy said:
Oh really? When have you EVER seen them do that? I think I remember one article at one point discussing the general nature of performance improvements over time with benchmarks to show it. And it said specifically the opposite of what you are saying.

Are you insane? Don't wast my time.

Just tell me if you want to live with nothing but your assumption and I will stop here.
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