First time building a (gaming)pc :Amd

[shigeno]

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: as soon as possible, budget around 1000 euros

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, watching movies, surfing the internet, photoshop

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS, dvd/cd reader/writer, hard drive

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: (e.g.: newegg.com, ncix.com -- to show us selection & pricing) COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: The Netherlands

PARTS PREFERENCES: Dont really care,

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION: undetermined

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I'd like a fast and decent pc to play games on (warcraft 3, starcraft 2, Heroes Of Newerth, CoD moder warfare 2, and possible some other shooters, depends what the industry brings) and to watch movies/anime and to surf on the web

something me and a friend came up with:

mainboard: asus m4A77 TD Pro
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131603
CPU: AMD phenom II x4 955 black edition
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...103674&cm_re=955_black-_-19-103-674-_-Product
2*2 gb RAM 1333 mhz (dont know what brand, but dont want to it to be too expensive)
GPU: Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850
(on newegg was only the 'toxic' version, but i plan on using the 'basic' one)

so my questions: are these components compatible?
How is the mobo choice? because i didnt see this model mentioned in other topics
How long will this pc last?

 

[shigeno]

oh and i'd like to know what brand of RAM i should take

 

[blackjellognomes]

All those parts are compatible; looks fine.
For RAM, G Skill offers the best overall quality and value IMO. Kingston, Mushkin, Crucial, and Corsair are also good options.
Consider getting 1600Mhz RAM if you plan on OCing.

If longevity is a big thing for you, consider getting a 890GX mobo like this Gigabyte, which offers native support for SATA III and USB 3.0. And unlike that 770 board, it has a second PCIe 2.0 slot, so you have the option of adding a second graphics card. Yes, the new chipset is a bit more expensive, but it'll be around a bit longer.

 

[saint19]

Hi newcomer and welcome to the Tom's hardware forum.

1- Your components are compatible
2- Make you sure that the RAM is CL6, CL7 or CL8 and max 1.65V.
3- Get THIS mobo, the mobo that you say don't support Crossfire, thing that you maybe want do it.
4- The 1333 RAM is the best option for an AMD build, just make you sure that take the advice of the 2nd point. G.Skill, OCZ, Corsair and Crucial are very good manufacturers.


ATI Radeon™ HD 5850 System Requirements

PCI Express® based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard
500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended (600 Watt and four 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)
Certified power supplies are recommended. Refer to http://ati.amd.com/certifiedPSU for a list of Certified products
Minimum 1GB of system memory
Installation software requires CD-ROM drive
DVD playback requires DVD drive
Blu-ray™ playback requires Blu-ray drive
For an ATI CrossFireX™ system, a second ATI Radeon™ HD 5850 graphics card, an ATI CrossFireX Ready motherboard and one ATI CrossFireX Bridge Interconnect cable per graphics card (included) are required

5- So, you need a good PSU, something like this

 

[macabre215]

I would get this psu. For that price it's hard to say no.

I guess this ram.

Also you should want the C3 revision of the x4 955, its the same price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808&cm_re=x4_955-_-19-103-808-_-Product

 

[shigeno]

all thanks for your replies

Ok, change the mobo to the
asus m4a79xtd evo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402&cm_re=EVO-_-13-131-402-_-Product
Because i might wanna get a second graphic card later.

processor will stay the amd phenom II x4 955 BE

for ram it'll be corsair 2*2gb 1600Mhz with cl8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145263&Tpk=CMX4GX3M2A1600C8
i'd love to take the g.skill instead, but G skill isnt really available in my country. but will this corsair be compatible?


for psu i was thinking about a ocz 700W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._re=ocz_stealthxstream-_-17-341-019-_-Product
because the 2 you mentioned are pretty expensive. and i dont think ocz is a bad brand, is it?

 

[macabre215]

all thanks for your replies

Ok, change the mobo to the
asus m4a79xtd evo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402&cm_re=EVO-_-13-131-402-_-Product
Because i might wanna get a second graphic card later.

processor will stay the amd phenom II x4 955 BE

for ram it'll be corsair 2*2gb 1600Mhz with cl8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145263&Tpk=CMX4GX3M2A1600C8
i'd love to take the g.skill instead, but G skill isnt really available in my country. but will this corsair be compatible?


for psu i was thinking about a ocz 700W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._re=ocz_stealthxstream-_-17-341-019-_-Product
because the 2 you mentioned are pretty expensive. and i dont think ocz is a bad brand, is it?

If you plan on doing crossfire later you wouldn't want to use that psu. OCZ has mediocre power supplies now, as they all use FSP as their OEM. If you look at the label on the newegg pictures, you'll see how the 4 12v rails are highly overrated.

 

[shigeno]

what about this?

http://www.pcpower.com/power-supply/turbo-cool-860.html

 

[macabre215]

It depends on the price you can get it for. PCP&Cooling have very well built psus, as their OEM is Win-Tact for that model. If you can get an antech or corsair psu for cheaper just go with that.

 

[shigeno]

the PCP&cooling turbo is gonna cost me 90 euros so that looks pretty cheap to me?

compared to others available to me:
antec cp-850 850W: 110E
antec earthwatts 750 750W: 100E

corsair cmpsu-750TX 750W: 110E
corsair cmpsu-850TX 850W: 120E

so out of these 5, which one should i choose?

 

[shigeno]

oh sorry forgot to post links
antec cp-850 850W: 110E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371024&Tpk=antec cp-850
antec earthwatts 750 750W: 100E
http://www.antec.com/pdf/flyers/EA750_flyer.pdf

corsair cmpsu-750TX 750W: 110E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...06&cm_re=corsair_cmpsu-_-17-139-006-_-Product
corsair cmpsu-850TX 850W: 120E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...09&cm_re=corsair_cmpsu-_-17-139-009-_-Product

and are the other things ok? (mobo, cpu, etc)

 

[macabre215]

I would go with the turbo then.

 

[shigeno]

So final build:

MB: asus m4a79xtd evo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402&cm_re=EVO-_-13-131-402-_-Product

CPU: amd phenom II x4 955 BE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808&cm_re=amd_phenom_ii_x4_955-_-19-103-808-_-Product

RAM: corsair 2*2gb 1600Mhz with cl8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145263&Tpk=CMX4GX3M2A1600C8

HDD: Samsung HD103SJ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&Tpk=sasmung%20HD103SJ

PSU: PCP&Cooling turbo 860
http://www.pcpower.com/power-supply/turbo-cool-860.html

GPU: Sapphire hd5850

DVD: dont exactly know model, but dont think this will be aproblem

Case: Cooler master Elite 335
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119161&Tpk=cooler%20master%20elite%20335

Is this all compatible?

 

[macabre215]

I don't see any compatibility issues anywhere. I do want to ask if you are going to use the stock heatsink?

 

[saint19]

^Solid build, but I think that you don't need that power, even, for a Crossfire you only need a 650W PSU.

 

[shigeno]

i think im going with the 860W cus its cheap, probably a website error because i saw it on american sites for like 280$ which is at least 200E, and on the website i'll buy it its just 90. If they say its a error and its gonna cost me more, ill go for a 750 corsair or antec

stock heatsink means the fan provided with the case right?
yes i do plan on using that initialy. because this is my first pc i wanna get it running correctly before i start overclocking.
When im gonna overclock, ill buy a seperate heatsink



another question, i have a acer windows upgrade kit. i cant use this for a os right? Because this is only a upgrade. Or is it a full version and does it only say its a upgrade version?

 

[shigeno]

ok after some digging i found gskill in my country and its gonna be this one
http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=185

also i found out that the website hwere i saw the pcp turbo cool 860 for a cheap price was a was bad so im changing psu to
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171053&cm_re=cooler_master-_-17-171-053-_-Product

also the OS question is solved.

 

[obsidian86]

the cooler master is worse then the pc power &cooling

try and find
corsair tx/hx750 watts
seasonic 750 watts
antec eartwatts or true power 750 watts
silverstone strider 750 watts


you can also have a look at team extreme ram

 

[shigeno]

oh i always thought cooler master was a good brand

well i guess i shouldnt go cheap on powersupplies


is a corsair atx 750W also good?

http://www.mycom.nl/Products/View/ATX,750W,24P/162907.aspx

 

[shigeno]

do i also need additional cooling like heatsink?

 

[saint19]

^If you plan OC >3.8GHz, yeah. you need a cooler for your CPU.

 

[shigeno]

so i wont need any additional cooling untill i OC?
and i assume i can OC at any time i want? so ill start without cooling/oc

psu is gonna be antec earthwatts 750
i found one for a decend price

 

[shigeno]

hmm iv done some more research and im not sure wheter to go for amd or intel. so i came up with 2 different ram,mobo,cpu configurations. I just need to know if its compatible with the hsf, psu and gpu. Cus for the choice i think i7 is better but more expensive. Correct me if i'm wrong though

Intel core i7-920
g skill 6gb, 1600mhz, cl8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231304&Tpk=F3-12800CL8T-6GBRM
Asus P6X58D Premium

AMD phenom ii x4 955
4gb gskill 1600hmz cl7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303
Asus M4A89GTD PRO

gpu: sapphire hd5850
hsf: cooler master hyper 121
psu: antec earthwatts 750
case: cooler master elite 335

 

[saint19]

Well, if you have enough money to spend in the Intel rig is a very good build, but if your go for that build I would change the GPU for a 5870.

Now if you go for the AMD rig, you can get similar performance but at less price, I would change the GPU for a 5870 too.

P.D. Is Hyper 212+ not hyper 121

 

[shigeno]

is the 5870 really worth the extra money?

also yes its hyper 212+, it was kinda late when i typed this