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March 12, 2010 10:59:58 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: as soon as possible, budget around 1000 euros

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, watching movies, surfing the internet, photoshop

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS, dvd/cd reader/writer, hard drive

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: (e.g.: newegg.com, ncix.com -- to show us selection & pricing) COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: The Netherlands

PARTS PREFERENCES: Dont really care,

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION: undetermined

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I'd like a fast and decent pc to play games on (warcraft 3, starcraft 2, Heroes Of Newerth, CoD moder warfare 2, and possible some other shooters, depends what the industry brings) and to watch movies/anime and to surf on the web

something me and a friend came up with:

mainboard: asus m4A77 TD Pro
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131603
CPU: AMD phenom II x4 955 black edition
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674&cm_re=955_black-_-19-103-674-_-Product
2*2 gb RAM 1333 mhz (dont know what brand, but dont want to it to be too expensive)
GPU: Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850
(on newegg was only the 'toxic' version, but i plan on using the 'basic' one)

so my questions: are these components compatible?
How is the mobo choice? because i didnt see this model mentioned in other topics
How long will this pc last?


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March 12, 2010 11:05:33 PM

oh and i'd like to know what brand of RAM i should take
March 13, 2010 12:12:00 AM

All those parts are compatible; looks fine.
For RAM, G Skill offers the best overall quality and value IMO. Kingston, Mushkin, Crucial, and Corsair are also good options.
Consider getting 1600Mhz RAM if you plan on OCing.

If longevity is a big thing for you, consider getting a 890GX mobo like this Gigabyte, which offers native support for SATA III and USB 3.0. And unlike that 770 board, it has a second PCIe 2.0 slot, so you have the option of adding a second graphics card. Yes, the new chipset is a bit more expensive, but it'll be around a bit longer.
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March 13, 2010 2:58:38 AM

Hi newcomer and welcome to the Tom's hardware forum.

1- Your components are compatible
2- Make you sure that the RAM is CL6, CL7 or CL8 and max 1.65V.
3- Get THIS mobo, the mobo that you say don't support Crossfire, thing that you maybe want do it.
4- The 1333 RAM is the best option for an AMD build, just make you sure that take the advice of the 2nd point. G.Skill, OCZ, Corsair and Crucial are very good manufacturers.


ATI Radeon™ HD 5850 System Requirements

PCI Express® based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard
500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended (600 Watt and four 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)
Certified power supplies are recommended. Refer to http://ati.amd.com/certifiedPSU for a list of Certified products
Minimum 1GB of system memory
Installation software requires CD-ROM drive
DVD playback requires DVD drive
Blu-ray™ playback requires Blu-ray drive
For an ATI CrossFireX™ system, a second ATI Radeon™ HD 5850 graphics card, an ATI CrossFireX Ready motherboard and one ATI CrossFireX Bridge Interconnect cable per graphics card (included) are required

5- So, you need a good PSU, something like this
March 13, 2010 6:09:51 PM

all thanks for your replies :) 

Ok, change the mobo to the
asus m4a79xtd evo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402&cm_re=EVO-_-13-131-402-_-Product
Because i might wanna get a second graphic card later.

processor will stay the amd phenom II x4 955 BE

for ram it'll be corsair 2*2gb 1600Mhz with cl8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145263&Tpk=CMX4GX3M2A1600C8
i'd love to take the g.skill instead, but G skill isnt really available in my country. but will this corsair be compatible?


for psu i was thinking about a ocz 700W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341019&cm_re=ocz_stealthxstream-_-17-341-019-_-Product
because the 2 you mentioned are pretty expensive. and i dont think ocz is a bad brand, is it?



March 13, 2010 8:07:16 PM

shigeno said:
all thanks for your replies :) 

Ok, change the mobo to the
asus m4a79xtd evo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402&cm_re=EVO-_-13-131-402-_-Product
Because i might wanna get a second graphic card later.

processor will stay the amd phenom II x4 955 BE

for ram it'll be corsair 2*2gb 1600Mhz with cl8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145263&Tpk=CMX4GX3M2A1600C8
i'd love to take the g.skill instead, but G skill isnt really available in my country. but will this corsair be compatible?


for psu i was thinking about a ocz 700W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341019&cm_re=ocz_stealthxstream-_-17-341-019-_-Product
because the 2 you mentioned are pretty expensive. and i dont think ocz is a bad brand, is it?


If you plan on doing crossfire later you wouldn't want to use that psu. OCZ has mediocre power supplies now, as they all use FSP as their OEM. If you look at the label on the newegg pictures, you'll see how the 4 12v rails are highly overrated.
March 13, 2010 8:41:50 PM

It depends on the price you can get it for. PCP&Cooling have very well built psus, as their OEM is Win-Tact for that model. If you can get an antech or corsair psu for cheaper just go with that.
March 13, 2010 8:51:47 PM

the PCP&cooling turbo is gonna cost me 90 euros so that looks pretty cheap to me?

compared to others available to me:
antec cp-850 850W: 110E
antec earthwatts 750 750W: 100E

corsair cmpsu-750TX 750W: 110E
corsair cmpsu-850TX 850W: 120E

so out of these 5, which one should i choose?
March 13, 2010 8:58:53 PM
March 13, 2010 9:24:08 PM

I would go with the turbo then.
March 13, 2010 9:37:49 PM

So final build:

MB: asus m4a79xtd evo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: amd phenom II x4 955 BE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: corsair 2*2gb 1600Mhz with cl8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: Samsung HD103SJ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: PCP&Cooling turbo 860
http://www.pcpower.com/power-supply/turbo-cool-860.html

GPU: Sapphire hd5850

DVD: dont exactly know model, but dont think this will be aproblem

Case: Cooler master Elite 335
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Is this all compatible?


March 13, 2010 10:11:20 PM

I don't see any compatibility issues anywhere. I do want to ask if you are going to use the stock heatsink?
March 14, 2010 12:27:11 AM

^Solid build, but I think that you don't need that power, even, for a Crossfire you only need a 650W PSU.
March 14, 2010 11:15:35 AM

i think im going with the 860W cus its cheap, probably a website error because i saw it on american sites for like 280$ which is at least 200E, and on the website i'll buy it its just 90. If they say its a error and its gonna cost me more, ill go for a 750 corsair or antec

stock heatsink means the fan provided with the case right?
yes i do plan on using that initialy. because this is my first pc i wanna get it running correctly before i start overclocking.
When im gonna overclock, ill buy a seperate heatsink



another question, i have a acer windows upgrade kit. i cant use this for a os right? Because this is only a upgrade. Or is it a full version and does it only say its a upgrade version?
March 14, 2010 2:01:55 PM

the cooler master is worse then the pc power &cooling

try and find
corsair tx/hx750 watts
seasonic 750 watts
antec eartwatts or true power 750 watts
silverstone strider 750 watts


you can also have a look at team extreme ram
March 14, 2010 8:56:03 PM

do i also need additional cooling like heatsink?
March 14, 2010 10:16:16 PM

^If you plan OC >3.8GHz, yeah. you need a cooler for your CPU.
March 14, 2010 10:27:00 PM

so i wont need any additional cooling untill i OC?
and i assume i can OC at any time i want? so ill start without cooling/oc

psu is gonna be antec earthwatts 750
i found one for a decend price :) 
March 19, 2010 11:37:13 PM

hmm iv done some more research and im not sure wheter to go for amd or intel. so i came up with 2 different ram,mobo,cpu configurations. I just need to know if its compatible with the hsf, psu and gpu. Cus for the choice i think i7 is better but more expensive. Correct me if i'm wrong though

Intel core i7-920
g skill 6gb, 1600mhz, cl8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Asus P6X58D Premium

AMD phenom ii x4 955
4gb gskill 1600hmz cl7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Asus M4A89GTD PRO

gpu: sapphire hd5850
hsf: cooler master hyper 121
psu: antec earthwatts 750
case: cooler master elite 335
March 20, 2010 3:55:18 AM

Well, if you have enough money to spend in the Intel rig is a very good build, but if your go for that build I would change the GPU for a 5870.

Now if you go for the AMD rig, you can get similar performance but at less price, I would change the GPU for a 5870 too.

P.D. Is Hyper 212+ not hyper 121
March 20, 2010 9:39:17 AM

is the 5870 really worth the extra money?

also yes its hyper 212+, it was kinda late when i typed this :) 
March 20, 2010 4:19:45 PM

Well the 5870 is a better GPU, but cost $100 more that the 5850, in that point is you and your budget who takes the best option.
March 20, 2010 4:42:38 PM

and what about the size of the 5870? i read somewhere its pretty big.
how do i know if it fits with my case?
March 20, 2010 4:50:40 PM

ATI 5850: 10.5 inches
ATI 5870: 11.3 inches

So, for the 5870 you need an Antec 1200 or HAF932...or some like this two.
March 20, 2010 5:48:05 PM

i already have the cooler master 335 so ill measure it :p 
March 20, 2010 5:52:21 PM

the 335 is gonna take some modding
March 20, 2010 6:30:58 PM

oh, why? and what exactly?
March 20, 2010 6:47:44 PM

the case is bout 16" deep and the lower hdd cage takes bout 5" off that the 5850 should fit but you might have to cut out some of the bottom hdd cage to get a 5870 in
March 20, 2010 7:45:48 PM

ah i read somewhere the 5870 will fit.
but thanks for your reply anyway :) 
March 22, 2010 3:18:18 PM

anyone knows if the cooler master hyper 212+ comes with thermal paste or do i need to buy this as well?
March 22, 2010 6:12:10 PM

^Yeah, the CM Hyper 212+ comes with thermal paste.
March 22, 2010 6:34:25 PM

ok well as soon as my dad orders the things i can go building
lots of thanks to saint19, obsidian86 and macabre215
March 22, 2010 10:48:28 PM

Any time, that's why we are here. If you need, in the Overclocking section i create a little guide for install the Hyper 212+.
!