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February 28, 2010 3:13:16 PM

im in the process of upgrading some parts in my computer, and the part that needs the most attention is my gpu which is a 9300 ge from nv. This card is getting about 20 fps on Far Cry 2 and Crysis on the lowest settings (playable but need huge upgrade). Im trying to decide between the 5870 and the 5850. I've seen all the benchmarks, and noticed theres only about 10fps diffrence. The biggest resolution i'll be playing at is 1920x1024. so considering the resolution im wondering if the 5870 is to much, and if the 5850 will get the job done just as well as the 5870. Im concerned i'll also be cpu limited as im running a e7400 @ 2.8. Thank for all the help!!!!

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a c 125 U Graphics card
February 28, 2010 3:28:42 PM

Your CPU is alittle weak, but you can always get a nice graphics card now and then in the future upgrade your CPU.

A 5850 will do fine at your res. (BTW I think you mean 1920 x 1080) The difference between the 5850 and 5870 is small and can be made up by overclocking the 5850. Also If you go for a 5850 you'll have some money left over.

Make sure you have a quality 500W or greater PSU. And also enough space inside your case.
February 28, 2010 4:07:34 PM

Rustyy117 said:
Your CPU is alittle weak, but you can always get a nice graphics card now and then in the future upgrade your CPU.

A 5850 will do fine at your res. (BTW I think you mean 1920 x 1080) The difference between the 5850 and 5870 is small and can be made up by overclocking the 5850. Also If you go for a 5850 you'll have some money left over.

Make sure you have a quality 500W or greater PSU. And also enough space inside your case.

i got a corsair tx650 just for the upgrade ;) . I'm thinking my current case would be to small 16.28"(L) x 6.89"(W) x 15.24"(H), and i'm considering 5850 and the cm 690 ii.
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a c 125 U Graphics card
February 28, 2010 4:18:50 PM

whats the name of the case you have at the moment?
February 28, 2010 4:27:55 PM

Rustyy117 said:
whats the name of the case you have at the moment?

haha don't know the name, its from hp, the same case that came with my computer when i ordered from them. I did some measuring, and it looks like it might fit but its very VERY sketchy!
February 28, 2010 4:30:57 PM

oz73942 said:
i got a corsair tx650 just for the upgrade ;) . I'm thinking my current case would be to small 16.28"(L) x 6.89"(W) x 15.24"(H), and i'm considering 5850 and the cm 690 ii.




You're on the right track, there. With your setup, you won't get enough benefit from the 5870 over the 5850 to make it worth the difference in price. I think you will be blown away by upgrading from the Nv 9300 to the AMD/ATi 5850.
a b U Graphics card
February 28, 2010 4:33:01 PM

oz73942 said:
haha don't know the name, its from hp, the same case that came with my computer when i ordered from them. I did some measuring, and it looks like it might fit but its very VERY sketchy!


Just remember that with the 5850 the 6 pins face the Drive bays, not like the 5870 where they face the side window. This will require some extra space, so in reality, the 5850 is going to be just as long as the 5870.
March 16, 2010 11:53:27 AM

mtyermom said:
You're on the right track, there. With your setup, you won't get enough benefit from the 5870 over the 5850 to make it worth the difference in price. I think you will be blown away by upgrading from the Nv 9300 to the AMD/ATi 5850.

okay i have 400 big ones saved up, and some new things to factor in, i want the most future proof for at least 2-3 years, and my dad plans on buying i a huge big screen tv, which i know will be tempted to play on, will the 5850 still deliver?
a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2010 12:21:58 PM

with some OCing - yes.

FarCry 2 All High, no AA
Q6600 @ 3GHz
8800GT
Avg 45fps
Now and then slowdowns to 17 - 25fps -- enough to be annoying, but very playable.

FarCry 2 All Very High, 4xAA
Q6600 @ 3GHz
Asus 5850 @ Stock - 725 / 4000
Avg 35-45fps (in different places - mostly closer to 35)
But didn't drop below 31fps in almost any situation

FarCry 2 All Very High, 4xAA
Q6600 @ 3GHz
Asus 5850 @ Stock - 875 / 4600
Avg 55fps
But didn't drop below 45fps in almost any situation

That OC takes it closer to 5870 speeds for a good deal less $ and Really makes a Big difference to performance I have to say.
Changed it from being a fair upgrade to being almost everything I was hoping for ^^

But don't forget that the 5870 also OC really well too and might be a good deal with some of the special offers that might be appearing soon if lucky or on a normal Special with Dirt 2 ;) 
a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2010 12:33:15 PM

oh, if you don't want the Dirt 2 game you can always sell it to someone like me (or just ebay it) and count it as a further discount on the game ~_^
a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2010 12:42:19 PM

But...

be carful as some companies hint that you get the Dirt 2 game with your card and you just face dissapointment when it arrives like I did:

www.aria.co.uk Asus 5850

The Picture shows a box with the "Dirt 2" sticker on it.
(though is a disclaimer saying "stock may vary from item pictured")

And also

Product description ASUS EAH5850/G/2DIS/1GD5 - graphics adapter - Radeon HD 5850 - 1 GB

That "G" indicates that it is a 5850 version that "should" come with the Dirt 2 game.....
I wasn't too happy about this.

I "Asked a Question" (section at bottom of page) weeks ago and before I ordered as to if this 5850 still comes with the game - they Never answered it, cleary not wanting to make it clear that there is no game with this card.

I also talked to their customer support who said they would raise this issue with their marketing department to get the page updated who have also not made the changes to this page :pfff: 
March 16, 2010 8:39:39 PM

Pailin said:
But...

be carful as some companies hint that you get the Dirt 2 game with your card and you just face dissapointment when it arrives like I did:

www.aria.co.uk Asus 5850

The Picture shows a box with the "Dirt 2" sticker on it.
(though is a disclaimer saying "stock may vary from item pictured")

And also

Product description ASUS EAH5850/G/2DIS/1GD5 - graphics adapter - Radeon HD 5850 - 1 GB

That "G" indicates that it is a 5850 version that "should" come with the Dirt 2 game.....
I wasn't too happy about this.

I "Asked a Question" (section at bottom of page) weeks ago and before I ordered as to if this 5850 still comes with the game - they Never answered it, cleary not wanting to make it clear that there is no game with this card.

I also talked to their customer support who said they would raise this issue with their marketing department to get the page updated who have also not made the changes to this page :pfff: 

sweet benchmarks, idk i though i had my mind made up on the 5850 black edition, but then i obtained an extra 60 bucks and i can now afford the 5870, i want to pull the trigger right know, but with fermi coming out in 10 days and a possible price drop, its tempting to wait
a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2010 10:02:45 PM

if you can resist I'd wait that 10 days or so...

prob more like a 3 weeks ish as need reviews to come out people to see its cool with a good (hopefully) price etc and have time for ATi prices to drop a little.

Also the end of this month marks the main entrance of the new 5XXX series refresh cards with new cooling solutions and higher clock speeds which should see some reductions on the reference model prices.

Some real nice products are about to be coming out ~_^
March 16, 2010 10:07:32 PM

oz73942 said:
sweet benchmarks, idk i though i had my mind made up on the 5850 black edition, but then i obtained an extra 60 bucks and i can now afford the 5870, i want to pull the trigger right know, but with fermi coming out in 10 days and a possible price drop, its tempting to wait


agreed, wait 2 weeks.

no price drop, u havent lost much.

but i still advise 5850, so u can put the extra $$$ into getting a quad core cpua few months down the line... though im not sure if ure OEM motherboard will allow a CPU switch...
March 16, 2010 10:29:08 PM

2100506,13,303068 said:
if you can resist I'd wait that 10 days or so...

prob more like a 3 weeks ish as need reviews to come out people to see its cool with a good (hopefully) price etc and have time for ATi prices to drop a little.

Also the end of this month marks the main entrance of the new 5XXX series refresh cards with new cooling solutions and higher clock speeds which should see some reductions on the reference model prices.

Some real nice products are about to be coming out ~_^[/quotemsg
are you serious about the new refresh? are there any articles or anything on it, cant seem to find any, flippin sweet if it is true!!!!
March 16, 2010 10:34:15 PM

seerwan said:
agreed, wait 2 weeks.

no price drop, u havent lost much.

but i still advise 5850, so u can put the extra $$$ into getting a quad core cpua few months down the line... though im not sure if ure OEM motherboard will allow a CPU switch...

the plan is to save up another 600 bucks and drop it all on a new mobo and i-7 cpu, just my biggest concern at the moment is my case, if the card doesnt fit i'll end up buying either the 690 ii advanced or the haf 922
March 17, 2010 12:51:30 AM

oz73942 said:
okay i have 400 big ones saved up, and some new things to factor in, i want the most future proof for at least 2-3 years, and my dad plans on buying i a huge big screen tv, which i know will be tempted to play on, will the 5850 still deliver?




Not sure about the size of your TV mattering much with a mont. your resolution can be higher but with a tv its only going to be 1920x1080 so a pixal is a pixal an inch wide to a micron its still a pixal but with that said you still need a good card for 1080p on a big screen just not top of the line
March 17, 2010 12:59:04 AM

And to all.... the HAF 932 is the best bang for your buck... ready water res. lots of sapce, WHEELS! just check it out $150 sweet design and silent
March 17, 2010 1:07:00 AM

hotyamaha06 said:
And to all.... the HAF 932 is the best bang for your buck... ready water res. lots of sapce, WHEELS! just check it out $150 sweet design and silent

its a cool case but seems like to much case, thats why im considering the smaller brother, although i am looking for a case that will offer the most upgradeabilty, ill check it out....thanks
March 17, 2010 3:07:59 PM

oz73942 said:
its a cool case but seems like to much case, thats why im considering the smaller brother, although i am looking for a case that will offer the most upgradeabilty, ill check it out....thanks



yeah its huge but really i know i wont be buying another case for 5 years+ this one will hold anythng i want and if you look at it as an investment you will buy the one that will hold up th longest
March 21, 2010 2:05:13 AM

Rustyy117 said:
Your CPU is alittle weak, but you can always get a nice graphics card now and then in the future upgrade your CPU.

A 5850 will do fine at your res. (BTW I think you mean 1920 x 1080) The difference between the 5850 and 5870 is small and can be made up by overclocking the 5850. Also If you go for a 5850 you'll have some money left over.

Make sure you have a quality 500W or greater PSU. And also enough space inside your case.

my bad i meant 1600 x 900,
March 21, 2010 9:51:57 AM

I would go for a HD 5850 cos the 5870 is not worth the price imo.
April 20, 2010 10:44:09 PM

2103654,23,535401 said:
I would go for a HD 5850 cos the 5870 is not worth the price imo

Agreed
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