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March 13, 2010 9:01:53 PM

Hello all, my first post in the forum... :hello: 

I have been reading through a lot of threads on here trying to educate myself on the latest and greatest when it comes to hardware. I have not done a home build since the P4 days so I have been out of the loop for a while. I am hoping to receive some input on this build. Any bottle necks, hardware incompatibility, etc...

I am also looking for any recommendations on a monitor. I am willing to pay a little more for a quality 22" - 24" display. I need great color representation but also fast response time for gaming to avoid any ghosting. The Dell UltraSharp U2410 looks great but it's a bit pricey.

Thanks for taking the time.

Manny

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APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: this week
BUDGET RANGE: $2000-$2500 US
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: graphic & web design (photoshop), gaming, 3D modeling
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, speakers
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, amazon, or any other reputable site
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: US
PARTS PREFERENCES: intel processor, SSD hard drive (trim)
OVERCLOCKING: Maybe
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes, maybe crossfirex (3rd card) down the line.
MONITOR RESOLUTION: TBD
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: read above
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From newegg.com

1 Intel Core i7-930 2.8GHz LGA 1366 Quad-Core Desktop Processor Model BX80601930 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115225
ASUS P6TD Deluxe LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131403
$584.98 -$30.00 Combo= $554

1 CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D - Retail
Item #: N82E16820145224
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card20-145-224
$229.99 -$10.00 Instant= $219.99

1 Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - Retail
Item #: N82E16820167023
$299.99 -$75.00 Instant= $224.99

1 Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822136533
$119.99

2x XFX HD-577A-ZNDC Radeon HD 5770 XXX Edition 1GB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814150464
$399.98 -$25.00 Instant= $349.98 ($174.99 each)

1 CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817139009
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card17-139-009
$159.99 -$31.00 Instant= $128.99

1 Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811129043
$199.99 -$40.00 Instant= $159.99

1 LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer Black SATA Model iHAS424-98 LightScribe Support - Retail
Item #: N82E16827106335
Verbatim 700MB 52X CD-R LightScribe in Color Background 25 Packs Disc w/ 5 Colors - Retail
Item #: N82E16817130018
$44.98 -$5.00 Combo= $39.98

monitor - TBD


From 9software.com <--- any one ever use these guys? Price is right, $40 less than newegg.
OS - Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64 bit (Dell Stamped) for any brand computer
$99.00

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March 13, 2010 9:21:11 PM

everything looks good...the only change I might suggest would be to opt for one 5870 instead of the 2x 5770 in crossfire. The 5870 is a lot faster and you could always add another one in a year for maybe ~$200 then. Also consider that one 5870 will perform great always...whereas 2x 5770's will depend on how a game takes advantage of crossfire. if you can wait a month or so you will see what the Nvidia 480 cards will do and it might spur Ati to release a faster 5870. Also SSD's are continuing to fall in price and some others are getting to intel speeds and reliability. I like the Patriot SSD's
March 13, 2010 9:58:20 PM

I also looking to build a computer, so I've been reading lots of threads and articles here and I just have one comment.

From what I've read you should go for some different RAM. I've heard good things about the Mushkin RAM especially: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (they're not currently available through newegg, but I'm sure you can find them somewhere else)
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March 13, 2010 10:02:21 PM

Don't buy the 5770 triple X edition,it's a factory OC that you can do yourself in 3 clicks. Saved you 100$.

Also, If you plan to OC, you need a Hyper 212+ HSF.

Also, I like this case better.

Also, New HDD. Cheaper,better.

Also, the SSD maybe be better spent on another GPU or something else.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
March 13, 2010 10:48:37 PM

I will preface my reply with this: everything's pretty much fine how it is. Most of my suggestions have cost saving in mind.

If you decide to stay with the Antec 1200, get this combo, with a very good and much cheaper Antec PSU. Antec 1200 and Antec CP 850 Combo $244.30 The only down side to that PSU is that it is an uncommon form factor at the moment, which might not catch on, so can't guarantee that you will be able to get another case in the future and take the PSU to that case. I agree that the HAF 922 is the better choice, mostly because of price but also because the HAF is a very good case, aside from the looks imo.

I would say that the Dominator RAM is a bit overpriced, considering you can get this for much less: CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) CMX6GX3M3C1600C7 (7-8-7-20) 1.65V

If it was me I'd try and get a really good single card at first build with the intention to add another one at a later date, rather than crossfire straight out of the blocks.

I think the Intel 80GB SSD is still probably the one to get if you don't wear money for clothes. I think you are likely to appreciate the benefits of the SSD in your main tasks tho, even if they still aren't quite mainstream and fast, reliable and cheap enough to be so. Which I think will change in 2011, but that is quite a long time away.

If you make enough savings from any of the suggestions made to you, I would change the combo mobo to the Asus P6X58D Premium at $579.98. Mostly because it has SATA 6Gbps ports.
March 13, 2010 10:54:54 PM

What do you think of the HSF, HDD, and not using triple x gpus?

Also, If you gave me a thousand dollars to buy any case, and i can spend as much as i want, and leftovers would not be givin to me, I would be realy tempted to buy a HAF-922.

I would prolly buy a level 10, but damn the Haf-922 is a great case.


EDIT: WHATS THE PURPOSE OF THE BUILD ANYWAYS?
March 14, 2010 4:03:35 AM


First off, thanks for taking the time to provide me with your feedback. I appreciate it.

japps2 said:
everything looks good...the only change I might suggest would be to opt for one 5870 instead of the 2x 5770 in crossfire. The 5870 is a lot faster and you could always add another one in a year for maybe ~$200 then. Also consider that one 5870 will perform great always...whereas 2x 5770's will depend on how a game takes advantage of crossfire. if you can wait a month or so you will see what the Nvidia 480 cards will do and it might spur Ati to release a faster 5870. Also SSD's are continuing to fall in price and some others are getting to intel speeds and reliability. I like the Patriot SSD's

I will consider your advice on the single GPU... but I must say I have seen some great benchmarks of the latest games with the 5770's in crossfire and they were impressive.

georgewchubby said:
I also looking to build a computer, so I've been reading lots of threads and articles here and I just have one comment.

From what I've read you should go for some different RAM. I've heard good things about the Mushkin RAM especially: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (they're not currently available through newegg, but I'm sure you can find them somewhere else)

This looks great but unfortunately, after a decent search, it looks like they are just not available anywhere. I don't want to hold up this build by 2 weeks waiting for something that might or might not be available any time soon. I'm going to take a look at Silvune's option... CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) CMX6GX3M3C1600C7 (7-8-7-20) 1.65V

builderbobftw said:
Don't buy the 5770 triple X edition,it's a factory OC that you can do yourself in 3 clicks. Saved you 100$.

Thanks for pointing that out... I will definitely consider this if I decide to stick with the dual 5770's. The difference in price on the 2 cards is actually $40, there was a $25 instant savings on both. But good point none the less.
builderbobftw said:
Also, If you plan to OC, you need a Hyper 212+ HSF.
Also, I like this case better.

Nice case and good price point. I was looking at a 3rd party cpu cooler but was going to wait on that because I wasen't set on OC'ing yet.
builderbobftw said:
Also, New HDD. Cheaper,better.

Please explain a little more.
builderbobftw said:
Also, the SSD maybe be better spent on another GPU or something else.

I don't mind paying a bit more for the SSD. From what I have read they have been ironing out the issues with TRIM and the performance upgrade is through the roof.
builderbobftw said:
EDIT: WHATS THE PURPOSE OF THE BUILD ANYWAYS?

This will be used for graphic & web design but also for gaming and some 3d modeling. I want this build to last me for the next couple of years at least.

Silvune said:
I will preface my reply with this: everything's pretty much fine how it is. Most of my suggestions have cost saving in mind.

If you decide to stay with the Antec 1200, get this combo, with a very good and much cheaper Antec PSU. Antec 1200 and Antec CP 850 Combo $244.30 The only down side to that PSU is that it is an uncommon form factor at the moment, which might not catch on, so can't guarantee that you will be able to get another case in the future and take the PSU to that case. I agree that the HAF 922 is the better choice, mostly because of price but also because the HAF is a very good case, aside from the looks imo.

I would say that the Dominator RAM is a bit overpriced, considering you can get this for much less: CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) CMX6GX3M3C1600C7 (7-8-7-20) 1.65V

If it was me I'd try and get a really good single card at first build with the intention to add another one at a later date, rather than crossfire straight out of the blocks.

I think the Intel 80GB SSD is still probably the one to get if you don't wear money for clothes. I think you are likely to appreciate the benefits of the SSD in your main tasks tho, even if they still aren't quite mainstream and fast, reliable and cheap enough to be so. Which I think will change in 2011, but that is quite a long time away.

If you make enough savings from any of the suggestions made to you, I would change the combo mobo to the Asus P6X58D Premium at $579.98. Mostly because it has SATA 6Gbps ports.

I will surely take some time too look over the HAF 922 case suggestion. Nice find on the RAM. Thanks for spotting the issue with the mobo the one I had in my list did not have SATA 6GB's ports. I have not decided on the single higher end GPU or the dual lower end GPU's in crossfire as of yet. You and japps2 make a good point though.

I don't mind spending a little more on a component if the value is there and it makes sense.

Any one have any suggestions on a monitor? I'm trying to do my due diligence on all this stuff but I find, on some things, the more I research the more my head hurts.

Thanks again for taking the time. Keep the suggestions coming!
March 14, 2010 11:16:49 AM

The HDD I selected is a bit faster, not a huge diffrence, but it IS faster, and it's like 30$ cheaper and has the same storage capciety. Whats not to love?

Also, On the case, You can't go wrong with the HAF-922. It is impossible to find a better case anywhere NEAR it's price.
March 14, 2010 1:11:06 PM

The advantage that the Samsung Spinpoint F3 usually has is that it uses 500GB platters, which not only allow good performance, but low noise, temperature, less chance of failure. However the WD1002FAEX is a new model (about a month old by now) and uses two 500GB platters as well. Here is the source for that info: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=870&type=expert It says so under the nice big picture of the drive. I don't know how they perform in comparison to each other, but I think it would have to be significantly better in most departments for it to be worth the extra $30 or so. Again nothing wrong with your drive, no need to feel pressured into making the change, we're just trying to inform you of a cheaper option.

Quote:
I was looking at a 3rd party cpu cooler but was going to wait on that because I wasen't set on OC'ing yet.

The advantage of buying one now is that it is probably a tad easier to install on first build, if you do it later you would have to clean off the old thermal paste and stuff, but like I just said you get a perfect opportunity to have a clean inside your case.

Quote:
I don't mind spending a little more on a component if the value is there and it makes sense.

If you were referring to the PSUs, which I should have explained a bit more first time. If you look at the jonnyguru reviews of both PSUs then the Antec CP-850 gets a 9.5 over all and the Corsair TX850 also gets a 9.5 overall. The down side to jonnyguru reviews is that the value subset is very subject to change, which can't be accounted for without continually updating the score.
Anyway the other factor is how much power they provide on the 12V rail(s), while the Corsair provides almost the full 850 on its 12V rail, you're unlikely to need all of that in this build, as even if you decide to do two 5870s in the future, I always think that 750W is fine for that task. And that's probably overkill for three 5770s.
Antec: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
Corsair: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

I'm afraid I can't help you with the search for a monitor.
March 14, 2010 1:16:11 PM

Uh, i wouldn't buy a TX-850, simply buecuas the 950 is like 10$-20$ more, so i see little reason to buy the 850. Also, the Spinpoint is a better value than the cavier black.
March 14, 2010 6:34:55 PM

I'm sold on the samsung drive, thanks for the details. I have decided to buy the HAF-922 case my only question on that is about the fans. Should I buy more fans or will the 3 fans that come with this case be enough. If yes, any suggestions on the fans.

Just to be clear, your suggesting this PSU for this build. This would leave me with enough power in the future to OC and either run 5770 x 3 or 5870 x 2. What about 5870 x 3 LOL!

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
March 14, 2010 7:00:29 PM

ifccnb said:
I'm sold on the samsung drive, thanks for the details. I have decided to buy the HAF-922 case my only question on that is about the fans. Should I buy more fans or will the 3 fans that come with this case be enough. If yes, any suggestions on the fans.

Just to be clear, your suggesting this PSU for this build. This would leave me with enough power in the future to OC and either run 5770 x 3 or 5870 x 2. What about 5870 x 3 LOL!

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail


Such a nice build - no reason to crowd the case with all those wires. The corsair 750hx is a very nice and moduar psu.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
March 14, 2010 9:34:07 PM

ifccnb said:
I'm sold on the samsung drive, thanks for the details. I have decided to buy the HAF-922 case my only question on that is about the fans. Should I buy more fans or will the 3 fans that come with this case be enough. If yes, any suggestions on the fans.

Just to be clear, your suggesting this PSU for this build. This would leave me with enough power in the future to OC and either run 5770 x 3 or 5870 x 2. What about 5870 x 3 LOL!

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail

I don think you check the temps after building and if you don't like them, that is the time to buy fans.

Perhaps we should talk specifically about the PSU when you've made the decision about what cards you are going to want to run. I think 750W would be pushing it for three 5870s.

Some people think that modular cables are unnecessary in a bottom mounted PSU cases. The HX series however is better for other reasons as well like higher efficiency, and slightly better voltage regulation and ripple control - not that the TX series is bad in either of the last two areas.
March 14, 2010 10:10:24 PM

The 950W is like 40$ more than the 750W...
March 14, 2010 10:46:10 PM

builderbobftw said:
The 950W is like 40$ more than the 750W...


I have given some thought to both of your suggestions. I agree with not needing a modular PSU if it's mounted on the bottom. I won't mind dealing with the extra cables. Builderbob I like the idea of spending the extra $40 on a quality PSU that could last through this build and perhaps my next. I did read that the corsair tx 950w had some kind of compatability issue with a particular type of ASUS board but I don't think it was the ASUS P6X58D Premium. I'll have to research this again but I think I'm in the clear.

I will be going with the single GPU, the XFX HD-587A-ZNF9 Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) with the intention of crossfiring a second down the line when the price drops.

Thanks again for your input.
March 14, 2010 10:52:36 PM

Great idea. The 200W of power is defiantly worth the 40$, you can keep it for Trifire or Xfire, and use it in the next build.
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