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March 16, 2010 2:07:21 PM

Greeting all -

I've got a case, hard drive and monitor that for whatever reason I'm attached to. My son has talked me into building a sytem msyself for the first time. For the past several days I've shopped around and read all kinds of stuff and think I'm ready to order the parts. Before I get started I'd like to lay it all out for advice etc.

Since the hard drive has is written in Windows XP, I was figuring on leaving this sytem in Windows XP. If can't I was figuring on going to Windows 7.

My system is for gaming, my music, browsing the web, keeping records and maybe watching a movie now and then.

Here is my prepared shopping list (with comments and questions).

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition (My current sytem is an Alienware AMD, it's 10 years old and still runs great. I'd like to stick with AMD)

MOBO: ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD

RAM: OCZ AMD Black Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (I'd really like to have more RAM, mainly because more sounds better. Yesterday I read, somewhere, that with this sytem I'm really better off just sticking with 4 GB. Is this correct ?)

GPU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS 12V SLI (I was really thinkng of going more but that would create addtional heat. Could my system require more power ?)



VIDEO: Two SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100283VXL Radeon HD 5770's (Crossfire sound cool)

COOLER: Cooler Master V8 RR-UV8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler (Is this the best one for my CPU ?)

Goup: Artic Silver 5 Thermal Compund

Media Drives: Plextor 24X DV/CD Writer Black SATA Model PX-880SA-26 LightScribe Support

Sony R/RW - (This was on the old sytem, I figured I'd use it again)

That's my lay out and shopping list. Am I missing anything ?

My printer, monitor and mouse are tied in on USB ports. I've got an, after market, 6 USB hub attached to my current sytem. I should be able to tie that right into this, right ?

This my first time putting together a system. Except for the case, CPU and hard drive, this is still just piece of paper. Any suggestions, corrections, advice or ideas would be welcomed iwth thanks.

The Gemologist's Father.

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March 16, 2010 2:16:02 PM

you might wanna consider the newer amd 890gx boards that recently came out
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March 16, 2010 2:16:18 PM

Is that XP OS from a brand name PC like HP/Dell/etc or a previous DIY? Either way best is to either fresh install if it is an OEM/retail version XP or move on to Win 7 As for your GPU solutions

1680 x 1050 : Possible with a single HD 5770
1920 X 1080: Look to hit a single HD 5830 or better

Also as an advocate for single GPU solutions here is a nice 955BE/770 chipset combo featuring USB/SATA 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
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March 16, 2010 2:16:27 PM

Might be better to just give us a budget...

CPU/Mobo: X4 955 and Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 $265 after rebate. The 955 is the same as the 965, just without a slight factory overclock. The board here has USB 3/SATA III support so it's more future proof.
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $115. OCZ can have some issues, as their sticks use a lot of volts.
GPU: HD 5850 $315. Crossfire is for having a future upgrade path. I would stay away from it until later.
HSF: Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $29. Easily one of the best HSF out there. It's also one of the cheaper ones.
PSU: Actually, if you stick with the 5770s, you could drop it down to a 650W and have no problems. 650W would also be good enough for CF 5850s, but you would need to buy a connector adapter to get the extra PCIe connectors required.
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March 16, 2010 2:18:56 PM

Alienware cases are proprietary, so you'll need a new case if you want to do your own build. Your 10 year old HD is likely very slow and will hold up your entire system. Just get a new one.

Mobo and CPU are fine.
The Corsair is a PSU (power supply unit) not GPU (Graphics Processing Unit).
Either way it's more than enough for your needs.

Depending on your budget you can drop that and just grab this OCZ 700W for $50 after $30 MIR.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU is fine.

HSF: a V8 is an overpriced monster. Stick with a CM Hyper 212 Plus. Performs better at a fraction of the cost.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram not sure what you're linking to as AMD doesn't make ram. Black edition refers to their unlocked multiplier CPU's.
This G SKill Ripjaw kit will be fine $115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, might as well pick up a new optical drive, they're dirt cheap these days and are much faster than your 10 yr old one.

Sony $22.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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March 16, 2010 3:28:32 PM

batuchka said:
Is that XP OS from a brand name PC like HP/Dell/etc or a previous DIY? Either way best is to either fresh install if it is an OEM/retail version XP or move on to Win 7 As for your GPU solutions

1680 x 1050 : Possible with a single HD 5770
1920 X 1080: Look to hit a single HD 5830 or better

Also as an advocate for single GPU solutions here is a nice 955BE/770 chipset combo featuring USB/SATA 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


OK then: I'll go with a new version of Window XP. Should I got with XP Pro or is Home Edition good enough ? Which configuration GPU will give me greater staying power in our game enviorment ? Will i need to upgrade my system in two years, and if so which configuration will give me a better base to build on ?
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March 16, 2010 3:31:44 PM

If one really had to fork out for a new OS i'd hit Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit ^^ What is your LCD monitor model and do u game on its native resolution?
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March 16, 2010 3:33:32 PM

Windows 7 isn't Vista, and you really should upgrade.

The 5850 will give you the most staying power, especially if you go with a Crossfire board. That will allow you to drop in a second card in three or so years and have high end gaming at a fairly low price.

All of the suggestions given give you good upgrade options. The important aspects to consider are USB 3/SATA III ports and Crossfire. USB 3/SATA III is important because that is becoming the new standard for pretty much everything. It won't be very useful for a year or two, but after that it will be a necessity. Crossfire is important to maintain a high level of gaming performance without having to spend an obscene amount on video cards every year or two. Any current AMD board will give you the same options for upgrading the CPU later, as the future CPUs are going to be on the AM3 socket.
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March 16, 2010 5:45:53 PM

batuchka said:
If one really had to fork out for a new OS i'd hit Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit ^^ What is your LCD monitor model and do u game on its native resolution?


Thank you very much for your consideration and advice.

This has been a great learning experience for you me and still feel lost.

Monitor is an ASCER currently running at 1920 X 1080
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March 16, 2010 5:51:34 PM

Older Alienware models had non-proprietary cases. I've done a rebuild in one, and standard ATX boards fit, and the power supplies aren't a weird size either.

You still might consider a new case anyway, as a new case will likely have better cooling and cable management options.
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March 16, 2010 6:45:20 PM

banthracis said:
Alienware cases are proprietary, so you'll need a new case if you want to do your own build. Your 10 year old HD is likely very slow and will hold up your entire system. Just get a new one.

Mobo and CPU are fine.
The Corsair is a PSU (power supply unit) not GPU (Graphics Processing Unit).
Either way it's more than enough for your needs.

Depending on your budget you can drop that and just grab this OCZ 700W for $50 after $30 MIR.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU is fine.

HSF: a V8 is an overpriced monster. Stick with a CM Hyper 212 Plus. Performs better at a fraction of the cost.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram not sure what you're linking to as AMD doesn't make ram. Black edition refers to their unlocked multiplier CPU's.
This G SKill Ripjaw kit will be fine $115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, might as well pick up a new optical drive, they're dirt cheap these days and are much faster than your 10 yr old one.

Sony $22.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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March 17, 2010 6:46:30 AM

The_Gemologist said:
Thank you very much for your consideration and advice.

This has been a great learning experience for you me and still feel lost.

Monitor is an ASCER currently running at 1920 X 1080


You are welcomed and to game on that resolution look to hit a better GPU than HD 5770
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