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January 21, 2013 6:12:34 AM

OK so here is my current build(loop) that will cool my overclocked 3570k

Radiator
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0067LW8RY/ref=ox_sc_a...

tubing
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A0Q8SJE/ref=ox_sc_a...

barb fittings
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006QMGINY/ref=ox_sc_a...

fan splitters
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0067LWQ1C/ref=ox_sc_a...

Pump Reservoir Combo
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A42X2KY/ref=ox_sc_a...

CPU Block
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005T01B54/ref=ox_sc_a...

and push/pull configuration fans
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001Q6RUVO/ref=ox_sc_a...

the total with shipping will cost over $300 which I mean i'm fine with spending if it will really be worth my while...

here is my predicament, I have a gtx 670 right now and plan on getting another, If i were to put the 300 i would spend to get the water cooling for my cpu then i would be around 60 more or less away from getting another 670. I have a "tight budget" becuase im only 15 and am unable to get a real job so instead i work around the house and get money very slowly so 300 dollars can take me about 2 months(or more) to accumulate(which is in all cencerity is very good for just cleaning my house etc etc) basically is the water cooling worth it? or should i just hold off and get another 670 instead? I am CRAZY about fps i mean anything below 60 even when im at 60 in bf3 and my gpu usage is at 99% i get worried(anxiety and paranoia) so really increased frames are good but i'm not sure just wanted someone elses input on this.

any input is great help :D 

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a b K Overclocking
January 22, 2013 2:18:15 AM

Since the WC loop is not going to get any better gaming performance stick with air cooling the CPU and get a 2nd 670 now.
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January 22, 2013 7:00:27 AM

I think it is pretty cost efficient.
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January 22, 2013 7:01:27 AM

Do you have any plugin in your browser that can let you compare the prices on same item?
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January 22, 2013 10:07:43 PM

mlcaouette said:
I would go with this kit over what you have up there:
https://www.jab-tech.com/XSPC-RayStorm-D5-EX240-WaterCo...

Better pump and comes with two fans. Use promo code facebook for 5% off

Oh ok, thank i will look at that... also yeah i read your post in my other thread(sorry for making so many I am getting used to this part of toms) and i have read the sticky many times so yeah just was posting those questions periodically
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a b K Overclocking
January 22, 2013 11:14:57 PM

No worries about the other thread, is this going to be your first water cooling loop?
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January 22, 2013 11:35:59 PM

yeah though im not sure if i am going to do it i would like another graphics card i was just looking for others input on the subject
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a b K Overclocking
January 23, 2013 1:10:47 AM

Water cooling is very fun and addicting. I guess the question is, do you even need another graphics card? The 670 is a beast on it's own.
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January 23, 2013 2:29:14 AM

yeah but I really care about fps and I have wanted a steady 60fps in bf3 for a long time and from what I hear sli 670's will give me that
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a b K Overclocking
January 23, 2013 2:56:21 AM

Well we all have different wants and needs, so it will likely be best to go with whichever option will provide you with the most satisfaction.

On another note I'm not sure if I've seen your build(s) over in the member system gallery. Do you have pics up there yet? If not I'd like to see them, it's one of my favorite threads.
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January 23, 2013 3:30:13 AM

ok if you can please tell me how to do this I have pictures though my build is anything but exciting I still have WAYS to go before I get a cool looking machine... this includes sli 670, water cooling, more lighting, new case, and better cable managment(new case)... but after this you still want to see my terrible build then just tell me where and how and i will post
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a b K Overclocking
January 23, 2013 3:43:24 AM

Here is where you will want to post pics:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tom...

Just use photobucket or some similar photo uploading site such as imageshack

Don't worry about having a "cool" looking machine, a good looking machine should be a priority first. My best advice here is, make what you have look the very best you can! You'd be surprised the amount of work you can put into hiding cables.

Be prepared to catch some gripe if your cable management isn't up to par...Take a look at my update log if you want to know how my building started off:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tom...
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January 23, 2013 4:23:50 AM

oh well its posted... mock all you want :p 
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a c 325 K Overclocking
January 23, 2013 2:16:34 PM

PanicMaster85 said:
yeah but I really care about fps and I have wanted a steady 60fps in bf3 for a long time and from what I hear sli 670's will give me that


I built a rig a month ago with a 3770k and a single 670...runs everything in BF3 on ultra and looks wonderful. No need for SLI unless you want to spend 2x 670 for it...and if you did that, why not just a single 680 or 690?
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January 23, 2013 7:35:07 PM

well a single 680 i have the same performance as it(with my overclock) but the thing is that I am paranoid about FPS and I also play it ultra with it smooth... but the thing is that that meter really makes me nervous so really if i can hit 60 flat fps with like 50% usage(because one 670 can hit that) then i would rather do that, though if it wont get me that then i would rather have a cooler looking build/temps

also the 690 is 1,000 too much for me
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a b K Overclocking
January 23, 2013 10:15:14 PM

SLI isn't a linear performance increase so if one 670 is maxed at 60fps, two isn't necessarily gonna get you 60 frames at 50% usage.

If the meter gets to you just shut it off, it's more likely that staring at that meter is having more of a negative effect on your gaming experience than any fps drop that you might experience.
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a c 325 K Overclocking
January 23, 2013 10:28:54 PM

A single 670 vs. a single 680 is really a close call between the two. I still think those are better options than dropping $700+ on SLI 670's when a single would do the trick. Heck, my SLI 560Ti's run everything on Ultra with motion blur turned off.

You say you currently have a 670...what frame rates ARE you seeing at what resolution? You said Ultra settings...what CPU are you running? How much RAM? All I know is the rig I built runs BF3 smooth as butter. I really could care less what frame rates are as long as it looks really good and is smooth. Anything over 40fps is going to be harder and harder to tell.

Why are you stuck on this '60 fps' barrier? I know that some games come software limited to a ceiling of 50-60 fps, but can sometimes be removed with a setting. I don't necessarily know BF3 is one of them, but someone else might know for sure.
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a c 175 K Overclocking
January 23, 2013 11:23:42 PM

What is your display setup like? Because if its just a single 1080p 60hz monitor, then it is not worth getting another card in SLI.
Quite simply that 670 will be getting at least 50FPS in modern games everything maxed out, adding in another card will only net you a 10FPS increase because of V-Sync.

Need a decent display setup (so Eyefinity/Surround, a 120hz or 2560x1440) before Crossfire/SLI is worth it at the high end.
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January 24, 2013 12:10:52 AM

mlcaouette said:
SLI isn't a linear performance increase so if one 670 is maxed at 60fps, two isn't necessarily gonna get you 60 frames at 50% usage.

If the meter gets to you just shut it off, it's more likely that staring at that meter is having more of a negative effect on your gaming experience than any fps drop that you might experience.

well i was just saying, what do you think it would be? maybe a 80% increase?
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January 24, 2013 12:12:16 AM

rubix_1011 said:
You say you currently have a 670...what frame rates ARE you seeing at what resolution? You said Ultra settings...what CPU are you running? How much RAM? All I know is the rig I built runs BF3 smooth as butter. I really could care less what frame rates are as long as it looks really good and is smooth. Anything over 40fps is going to be harder and harder to tell.

Why are you stuck on this '60 fps' barrier? I know that some games come software limited to a ceiling of 50-60 fps, but can sometimes be removed with a setting. I don't necessarily know BF3 is one of them, but someone else might know for sure.

I am seeing around 40-60 some times lower when im in a tank and fighting another tank up close or a heli is attacking me really when ever there is A LOT of chaos

well I have a 60hz monitor so anything above 60 makes my rip tear which is what i hate!
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January 24, 2013 12:12:51 AM

manofchalk said:
What is your display setup like? Because if its just a single 1080p 60hz monitor, then it is not worth getting another card in SLI.
Quite simply that 670 will be getting at least 50FPS in modern games everything maxed out, adding in another card will only net you a 10FPS increase because of V-Sync.

Need a decent display setup (so Eyefinity/Surround, a 120hz or 2560x1440) before Crossfire/SLI is worth it at the high end.

yeah i see what you mean but i will need this system for a while(like two more years) and I would like to continue playing games maxed also i may get eyefinity
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a b K Overclocking
January 24, 2013 12:50:40 AM

I don't know what kind of increase you would get from a second 670, try finding some benchmarks for it. All I know is, it's not a direct increase of double the performance.
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January 24, 2013 1:40:25 AM

ok will do, and yeah i know
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January 25, 2013 1:08:31 AM

have sli 670 2GB cards and when its off i get around 70fps maxed out.... 1080P 27" while running a 24" with IE and music..turn SLI on i get around 120fps..

Specs:

Intel i7 3770k @ 4.4Ghz
Asus Maximus Mobo
16GB Corsair DDR3 2000mhz @ 1866Mhz
1500watt psu
EVGA GTX 670 2GB SLI @1175Mhz 60c after hours of BF3
Crucial M4 256GB SSD

I dont know why you have an issue with FPS...40-60? Weird I get 55-75ish with one card...100-155 with both

Both cards and cpu are under water.
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January 25, 2013 1:11:18 AM

how old if your card...possibly faulty? might have gotten a lemon..i know some 670 lack the performance they should have and people RMA and get one that seems to perform 25% better
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January 25, 2013 1:12:17 AM

well the thing is that I get 40 when im in a tank getting in a huge fight, im sure you do too im just sure you dont notice it, have you run heaven dx11? please run that and post what you get... also I get like 90 max just that when i get into a fight or look at the world from up high i drop down to 50(which makes me worry personally)
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January 25, 2013 1:34:42 AM

hhmm...well i can tell ya that sli youll get usually over 100fps from my experience..I havent played much...just a few weeks. Run Heaven while sli is enabled or with just 1 card?
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January 25, 2013 2:40:53 AM

just one card

also my card is about 2 months old, and i have like 4 years warranty but im getting decent scores in heaven just run one and we can compare, run with whatever overclock you have
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January 25, 2013 3:02:21 AM

have about 7min. left on the dload...ill run it as soon as its done..how long does it take? Wahts a good score anyway :/  Now im curious how ill stack up with and without sli

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January 25, 2013 3:05:57 AM

im not sure what a "good" score is, it takes like 5 minutes... just be sure to press f9 when it starts because that will start the benchmark otherwise it just runs through it but no benchmark is taken.

the only reson that i want you to do this is because i want to see if my card is defective if it is way behind yours then I have a problem but if its not then ours our normal
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January 25, 2013 3:08:13 AM

Indeed...while I'm waiting...water cooling is def. nice..this i my first real water cooler...I had used an H60, H80 and H100...Do you plan on adding GPU water blocks? if not why not just get an H100 with a push/pull setup..I had my old ivy i5 @4.4ghz and it never hit 70c. Keeping in mind GPU blocks are not cheap
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January 25, 2013 3:11:40 AM

Settings are as default... DX11, Tessellation Disabled, Shaders High, Anisotropy 4x, 3D disabled, A-I off Full screen...shall I keep these?
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January 25, 2013 3:14:55 AM

no you gotta max it out everything to absolute max... so tesselation max, shaders max, anisotropy max, 3d disabled, everything else max and keep res to screen
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January 25, 2013 3:28:39 AM

Ok with it maxed out and with my 24" Secondary monitor still on displaying GPU/CPU/RAM info...GPU CORE clock @1136Mhz

FPS 69.7
Score 1756
Min FPS 13.6
Max 198.3
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January 25, 2013 3:44:00 AM

Just because...here is with SLI enabled

FPS 83.4
Score 2101
Min 14.9
Max 201.3
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January 25, 2013 4:36:08 AM

ok one thing i have to say though, that score is not real you did something wrong please update a picture(so when you save it or what ever just put that up) because that number is not correct... or what is the resolution you were running it at? run it at 1920x1080p
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January 25, 2013 4:36:49 AM

also nice music in the video :D 

also just want to let you know if you push the little gray note thing with a lighting bolt you can edit what you said
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a c 150 K Overclocking
January 25, 2013 4:42:59 AM

Put the money into college! :p 

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January 25, 2013 2:32:38 PM

Ok... Im not 100% sure what I did...wish I would saved it that time..BUT I ran it again max settings...
GPU Core @ 1149Mhz
Memory @ Stock
EVGA Reference Card

45.2 FPS
1139 Score
19.7 min
116.7 Max

Maybe I forgot 1 setting? not sure what would make a jump from 1139 to 1756...at first I thought maybe I forgot to hit apply to disable my SLI...but I ran it with SLI nad recieved a 2101 so that cant be it. Now I feel better since there is a larger diference with SLI :p  Sorry about the bad info I dont know what happend.
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January 25, 2013 7:57:58 PM

amuffin said:
Put the money into college! :p 

I got 4 years and I don't have to pay for it(not all of it i probabbly have to get like 30%)
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January 25, 2013 7:59:13 PM

switch420 said:
Ok... Im not 100% sure what I did...wish I would saved it that time..BUT I ran it again max settings...
GPU Core @ 1149Mhz
Memory @ Stock
EVGA Reference Card

45.2 FPS
1139 Score
19.7 min
116.7 Max

Maybe I forgot 1 setting? not sure what would make a jump from 1139 to 1756...at first I thought maybe I forgot to hit apply to disable my SLI...but I ran it with SLI nad recieved a 2101 so that cant be it. Now I feel better since there is a larger diference with SLI :p  Sorry about the bad info I dont know what happend.

lol ok yeah then we are very close, I think i may just go for the SLI because that performance is very nice and will last me on those cards for at least 2 yeras(with being able to run it med to ultra)
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a b K Overclocking
January 25, 2013 8:24:50 PM

Keep us posted on the performance results on the SLI set up.
With 2 GTX 670 SLi you will be on the verge of CPU limitations.
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January 25, 2013 10:13:03 PM

yeah but it will be a while... like 8 weeks :p 
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