Hey everyone I need some advice.
I have recently created a thread on Autodesks website hoping to get an answer from there but the forums there seem to be pretty dead at least in the hardware sub-category.
First I did research on the forums and found some really good threads. In fact I tried to PM one of the guys here who replied a lot on this particular topic who really seems to know his stuff but its been a few days so I will ask the community.
*First my problem:
I have a fairly good last generation system. But it looks like its time to upgrade or build a new one.
Q9550
4GB Kingston 1066 DDR2
GTX 260
300GB Raptor
320GB WD
1000W Corsair PSU
EVGA 780i FTW
Windows 7 Ult
I am into 3D Animation, Modeling, Video Effects including After Effects and Particle effects as in Softimages ICE. I want to produce CG shorts and my friend has a upstart "youtube" type movie studio that I do all the effects for ect.
I have Adobe Master Collection, and the Autodesk Entertainment Creation 2010 which includes 3D Max, Softimage, Maya, Mudbox, and Motionbuilder.
The system held its own on rendering a simple animation scene in 3D Max approx. 5 seconds and output to raw avi.
The video footage I have is in 720p the bitrate is 707788 kbps. Of course I go to edit the video and render in Premier Pro and the program ran out of memory. Multiple attempts resulted in a system crash. And I have/want to render/edit at academy 2K resolution so that I can work on my effects and scale back down to HD 1080p (again a big problem)*
I could simply upgrade my system with 4GB of RAM and another GTX260 to assist in playback (on certain programs). But I think I will just use this hardware to go into an HTPC that I plan to build for the living room and build a really sweet Workstation/Gaming rig.
I have read the article on TomsHardware on how to build your own renderbox so I intend to build a few renderboxes as well.
I will start with the Render box which is based on what I learned in the article from TomsHardware.
Please tell me what you all think of this build. This is the wishlist from Newegg.
RENDERBOX
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http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=18118868
A couple of thoughts on this. I want to use the i7 for Hyperthreading for rendering (go to Boxxtech and watch the video for the 10300 and you will understand). The motherboard could be cheaper but I am under the impression that with the introduction of Autodesks 2011 lineup the GPU now assists in rendering.
Now a few questions.
*Does a renderbox need to be loaded on memory or can I drop one of those 4GB modules (I really dont know how important ram is on a renderbox).
*Can renderboxes utilize graphics cards to also assist in rendering on the new Autodesk 2011 releases. (I ask this and its probably too soon to tell but this would allow me to drop the P55 mobo and save additional money if someone knows the answer to that)
*Should I use an actual Dual slot server board for rendering. Slightly more expensive but is it worth going that direction?
Here is what I built on newegg for the more expensive system
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=13429812
Ok I know I dont have your input yet but I plan to either purchase (3) of the cheaper units or (1) of the more expensive units so I really need some good advice.
* This is probably off topic but for those who know what Tesla is, can that even be considered for rendering at this time? If so I would be serious enough to consider getting a system based on Tesla and would like to be further educated on how to implement it.
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Ok now I will move to the Workstation / Gaming Rig I would like to build.
WORKSTATION
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http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=18161848
ok thoughts on this. I wanted to go with a 1156 system because I am by no means an extreme gamer and 1156 seems to be the current focus even though 1366 is apparently evolving on its own with the 1156 system. Naturally i7-860 because I certainly can't justify 200+ dollars for the extra 130 mhz for the next and only step up. I want to max out the ram which I know when working with HD and above needs to be maxed out. and of course a nice P55 mobo with at least SLI. ** What you dont see here is the Nvidia Fermi cards I plan on purchasing. Again not a huge gamer but I will use non "stereo" based graphics cards so that I can game. I will probably go with EVGA's offering of the 470 or 480.
Please critique this system and if, in the end it is worth serving as a workstation. I would prefer to keep my Gaming Rig / Workstation the same but will make separate builds if it ultimately keeps me from my goals.
Is 16GB of Ram going to be enough
I built a 1366 system of the same which offers a 24GB option but will rendering and editing in HD REALLY need that much ram?
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=18161868
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LAST REMARKS
If you actually read all of this thank you and Im really sorry its long winded. Im sure I could have just said hey guys what do you think of this.
I am really trying to save money here because believe me my wife (who does her fair share of spending) does not understand why I need this equipment to follow a passion and hobby of mine. I work hard for my money and would like to, in the end, save as much as I can while achieving my goals here. Yes this is nice equipment that you and I all know will be outdated damn near as soon as I really start to make use of it.
I have considered AMD as a cheaper alternative but I prefer Intel.
I have build many AMD rigs for my friends who game with me and often I ask myself why I dont go the cheaper route. In fact I built myself an Opteron server which is sitting upstairs right now. So its not that Im a fan boy I just prefer Intel. (I probably should have just left that alone, I really want good advice)
Thank you very much in advance.
ps. I would like to know about my Tesla question if you read from above.
I have recently created a thread on Autodesks website hoping to get an answer from there but the forums there seem to be pretty dead at least in the hardware sub-category.
First I did research on the forums and found some really good threads. In fact I tried to PM one of the guys here who replied a lot on this particular topic who really seems to know his stuff but its been a few days so I will ask the community.
*First my problem:
I have a fairly good last generation system. But it looks like its time to upgrade or build a new one.
Q9550
4GB Kingston 1066 DDR2
GTX 260
300GB Raptor
320GB WD
1000W Corsair PSU
EVGA 780i FTW
Windows 7 Ult
I am into 3D Animation, Modeling, Video Effects including After Effects and Particle effects as in Softimages ICE. I want to produce CG shorts and my friend has a upstart "youtube" type movie studio that I do all the effects for ect.
I have Adobe Master Collection, and the Autodesk Entertainment Creation 2010 which includes 3D Max, Softimage, Maya, Mudbox, and Motionbuilder.
The system held its own on rendering a simple animation scene in 3D Max approx. 5 seconds and output to raw avi.
The video footage I have is in 720p the bitrate is 707788 kbps. Of course I go to edit the video and render in Premier Pro and the program ran out of memory. Multiple attempts resulted in a system crash. And I have/want to render/edit at academy 2K resolution so that I can work on my effects and scale back down to HD 1080p (again a big problem)*
I could simply upgrade my system with 4GB of RAM and another GTX260 to assist in playback (on certain programs). But I think I will just use this hardware to go into an HTPC that I plan to build for the living room and build a really sweet Workstation/Gaming rig.
I have read the article on TomsHardware on how to build your own renderbox so I intend to build a few renderboxes as well.
I will start with the Render box which is based on what I learned in the article from TomsHardware.
Please tell me what you all think of this build. This is the wishlist from Newegg.
RENDERBOX
-------------------------------------------
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=18118868
A couple of thoughts on this. I want to use the i7 for Hyperthreading for rendering (go to Boxxtech and watch the video for the 10300 and you will understand). The motherboard could be cheaper but I am under the impression that with the introduction of Autodesks 2011 lineup the GPU now assists in rendering.
Now a few questions.
*Does a renderbox need to be loaded on memory or can I drop one of those 4GB modules (I really dont know how important ram is on a renderbox).
*Can renderboxes utilize graphics cards to also assist in rendering on the new Autodesk 2011 releases. (I ask this and its probably too soon to tell but this would allow me to drop the P55 mobo and save additional money if someone knows the answer to that)
*Should I use an actual Dual slot server board for rendering. Slightly more expensive but is it worth going that direction?
Here is what I built on newegg for the more expensive system
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=13429812
Ok I know I dont have your input yet but I plan to either purchase (3) of the cheaper units or (1) of the more expensive units so I really need some good advice.
* This is probably off topic but for those who know what Tesla is, can that even be considered for rendering at this time? If so I would be serious enough to consider getting a system based on Tesla and would like to be further educated on how to implement it.
-------------------------------------------
Ok now I will move to the Workstation / Gaming Rig I would like to build.
WORKSTATION
-------------------------------------------
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=18161848
ok thoughts on this. I wanted to go with a 1156 system because I am by no means an extreme gamer and 1156 seems to be the current focus even though 1366 is apparently evolving on its own with the 1156 system. Naturally i7-860 because I certainly can't justify 200+ dollars for the extra 130 mhz for the next and only step up. I want to max out the ram which I know when working with HD and above needs to be maxed out. and of course a nice P55 mobo with at least SLI. ** What you dont see here is the Nvidia Fermi cards I plan on purchasing. Again not a huge gamer but I will use non "stereo" based graphics cards so that I can game. I will probably go with EVGA's offering of the 470 or 480.
Please critique this system and if, in the end it is worth serving as a workstation. I would prefer to keep my Gaming Rig / Workstation the same but will make separate builds if it ultimately keeps me from my goals.
Is 16GB of Ram going to be enough
I built a 1366 system of the same which offers a 24GB option but will rendering and editing in HD REALLY need that much ram?
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=18161868
-------------------------------------------
LAST REMARKS
If you actually read all of this thank you and Im really sorry its long winded. Im sure I could have just said hey guys what do you think of this.
I am really trying to save money here because believe me my wife (who does her fair share of spending) does not understand why I need this equipment to follow a passion and hobby of mine. I work hard for my money and would like to, in the end, save as much as I can while achieving my goals here. Yes this is nice equipment that you and I all know will be outdated damn near as soon as I really start to make use of it.
I have considered AMD as a cheaper alternative but I prefer Intel.
I have build many AMD rigs for my friends who game with me and often I ask myself why I dont go the cheaper route. In fact I built myself an Opteron server which is sitting upstairs right now. So its not that Im a fan boy I just prefer Intel. (I probably should have just left that alone, I really want good advice)
Thank you very much in advance.
ps. I would like to know about my Tesla question if you read from above.