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March 17, 2010 2:44:56 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: By end of April 2010

BUDGET RANGE: $1300 After shipping

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming (WoW, Star Trek Online, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age), Internet, that's it really

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Monitors, Keyboard, Mouse

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Prefer CyberpowerPC.com simply because I am not very experienced building my own PC and have little confidence in trying

PARTS PREFERENCES: Prefer AM3 or LGA1366 Quad Core Processor/Motherboard, High end video card (Prefer ATI), Prefer In-win Maelstrom or Coolermaster Storm Scout (Assuming everything would fit, not sure about that) Case

OVERCLOCKING: No

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe (Have no plans on Crossfiring right now, I plan to down the road (Perhaps a year or two)

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: My main confusion is this. I know a decent amount about parts, their power, etc... However, what I lack in knowledge is this: What do i need NOW vs what will i need later. Do i need more the 4 gigs of ram atm? Is the jump from the 5850 to the 5870 something I need to concern myself with? I have no plans to overclock, I'm not that adventerous, I just want a PC that will last and can be upgraded down the road, aka Crossfire, More Ram, etc... I have a great monitor setup, good gaming keyboard (Saitek Cyborg), MX518 Logitech Mouse, I just would like to get the opinions of people who know better then I do what I need vs what i think i need.

If it helps at all, I mostly play MMO's and RPG games, a FPS here and there. Like i stated, information like do i need 8 gigs of ram, a 5870, what quad core, that's the information I truly desire. Thank you to anyone and everyone that takes their time to reply, I am very appreciative of it.

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March 17, 2010 2:59:17 PM

Getting an AM3 on your budget is cutting corners. An i7 isn't in budget. That's fine, as the i5 is easily the best gaming CPU out there.

I don't care if you prefer that In Win case. It's not very good. The HAF 922 is the best case on the market, and it's cheaper.

Also, this is likely to be around $1,800+ on Cyberpower, and you won't get as high quality. Building it yourself is very easy. I highly recommend you look into it.

CPU: i5-750 $200
Mobo: Asus P7P55D-E Pro $190
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $115
GPU: HD 5870 $380
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 500 GB $55
PSU: Corsair 750W 80+ $100 after rebate
Case: HAF 922 $90
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $23
OS: Windows 7 Home 64-bit OEM $105

Total: $1,258.

You don't need more than 4 GB of RAM. The jump to the 5870 allows you to play Crysis at max settings at 1900x resolutions, so it's more future proof.

BTW, here's what $1,300 will likely get you at a custom builder:

CPU/Mobo: X4 955 and Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 $265 after rebate
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $115
GPU: HD 5850 $315
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 500 GB $55
PSU: Corsair 750W 80+ $100 after rebate
Case: HAF 922 $90
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $23

Total: $962. Except you wouldn't be getting as good of a board, high quality RAM, a high quality HDD, and a great PSU.
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March 17, 2010 3:49:16 PM

MadAdmiral said:
Getting an AM3 on your budget is cutting corners. An i7 isn't in budget. That's fine, as the i5 is easily the best gaming CPU out there.

I don't care if you prefer that In Win case. It's not very good. The HAF 922 is the best case on the market, and it's cheaper.

Also, this is likely to be around $1,800+ on Cyberpower, and you won't get as high quality. Building it yourself is very easy. I highly recommend you look into it.

CPU: i5-750 $200
Mobo: Asus P7P55D-E Pro $190
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $115
GPU: HD 5870 $380
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 500 GB $55
PSU: Corsair 750W 80+ $100 after rebate
Case: HAF 922 $90
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $23
OS: Windows 7 Home 64-bit OEM $105

Total: $1,258.

You don't need more than 4 GB of RAM. The jump to the 5870 allows you to play Crysis at max settings at 1900x resolutions, so it's more future proof.

BTW, here's what $1,300 will likely get you at a custom builder:

CPU/Mobo: X4 955 and Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 $265 after rebate
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $115
GPU: HD 5850 $315
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 500 GB $55
PSU: Corsair 750W 80+ $100 after rebate
Case: HAF 922 $90
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $23

Total: $962. Except you wouldn't be getting as good of a board, high quality RAM, a high quality HDD, and a great PSU.


Firstly MadAdmiral, I tyvm for your post, I really do appreciate it.

Here's my question following what you said, You recommended the HAF 922, and its an amazing case.

Does the Coolermaster Storm Scout compare? I know the HAF 922 is the best, I wouldn't debate that with anyone... I guess if I'm just gonna go mid-size tower and go with ur $1000 build, the need for the 12-14 inches of clearance goes away and I can settle for a slightly more compact case like the storm. Just curious is all :)  and ty once again
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March 17, 2010 4:01:56 PM

I don't really like the Storm Scout. It's roughly the same price, but smaller, has less cooling and louder fans. I don't think it's really worth it to drop down to the Scout.

I'll point out again that the $1,000 build above is a $1,300 custom builder build, possibly more expensive. If you have $1,300 to spend, the top build would be a lot better.
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March 17, 2010 4:12:47 PM

If you live near a microcenter go i7. The i7 920 is only $200 there. It shouldn't be too hard to find a decent 1366 motherboard for $180-190 also. Going with this setup will ensure you have the option to upgrade down the line to 32nm processors.

If you insist on going with the i5 build you can buy a i5 750 at tirgerdirect for $153 after BCB. I wouldn't spend more than $150 on an i5 MB..might as well go for i7 if your willing to spend more.

I would wait a month on buying a graphics card. $380 for a 5870 is ridiculous. When the gtx 470, 480 come out the prices are sure to come down.
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March 17, 2010 4:20:29 PM

The i7 would be good, BUT a comparable board would be more like $310 (Asus P6X58D Premium). You can get a USB 3/SATA III board for $210 (Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R), but it's a little less quality. Don't forget you would need a triple kit of RAM as well (Corsair XMS3 3x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7), which adds another $60 to the cost. In total, you're looking an $80 increase with the lesser board or a $180 with the better one.

Also, the AM3 socket will see six core and 32nm CPUs, whenever AMD gets around to it. It will also see whatever comes after that.

$380 for a 5870 is a great price. It's a lot cheaper than it used to be. What's ridiculous is the $315+ for a 5850.

And prices will only come down IF the Fermi cards are any good. There hasn't been any real data released, so it's still questionable.
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March 17, 2010 4:35:54 PM

MadAdmiral said:
The i7 would be good, BUT a comparable board would be more like $310 (Asus P6X58D Premium). You can get a USB 3/SATA III board for $210 (Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R), but it's a little less quality. Don't forget you would need a triple kit of RAM as well (Corsair XMS3 3x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7), which adds another $60 to the cost. In total, you're looking an $80 increase with the lesser board or a $180 with the better one.

Also, the AM3 socket will see six core and 32nm CPUs, whenever AMD gets around to it. It will also see whatever comes after that.

$380 for a 5870 is a great price. It's a lot cheaper than it used to be. What's ridiculous is the $315+ for a 5850.

And prices will only come down IF the Fermi cards are any good. There hasn't been any real data released, so it's still questionable.


Open Box: ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 $175 FS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

Open Box: ASUS P6X58D Premium $225
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Both great motherboards...and again if you live near a microcenter they usually have awesome deals on 1366 motherboards BN.

Trust me..you do not need a $300 motherboard. It will almost surely overclock within 200mhz of a cheaper one..if not the same. As the OP stated tho he is not overclocking so a cheaper motherboard is highly recommended. Even if you do decide to overclock the cheaper ones are still fine. You only want to go high end if your serious about overclocking.

I've seen a benchmark of the 470gtx..could be fake who knows...but it looks to be just as good and slightly better than the 5870. Not saying this is true..but I honestly don't see Nvidia releasing an inferior product..it wouldn't make sense.

I got a 5850 back when they were $260 :p 

You can find some pretty good deals on ram..just yesterday I saw a 3x2gb drr3 1600 kit on sale for $75 after MIR..but it is sold out now.
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March 17, 2010 4:36:58 PM

Just to add... and sorry dont mean to step on toes, the 5870 is now $420 on newegg... My guess is their pushing the price while they got the market to get the max cash before the new Nvidia release. Ty both for the input, I welcome more of it if ya wish :) 

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March 17, 2010 4:40:53 PM

Dang it... I just checked that price this morning...
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March 17, 2010 4:52:12 PM

Also, no matter the case we've discussed here, I've noticed each has no dust filters on the side intakes. I'm guessin since some cases have them included, there must be options to buy them seperate?? And if so are they relatively simple to install I would imagine?
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March 17, 2010 4:54:19 PM

Buy them here. They're very easy to install. You just slide them into place.
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March 17, 2010 4:59:43 PM

I thought the HAF 922 did have dust filters? It just isn't well-advertised. (I could very well be wrong though.)

Personally, I think it's ugly as sin, but it gets a lot of great reviews. :) 
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March 17, 2010 6:11:26 PM

The HAF 922 does have dust filters. It just might not on the side panel.

@cory: I missed this earlier, but you shouldn't buy open box motherboards. You get literally nothing with it, so figure another $20 for the extra stuff you need (cables, etc.). Also, you only get a 30 day warranty. Not a good idea to buy a $200 part and only have 30 days to see if it works.

Also, those aren't exactly comparable motherboards. The AMD/i5 board both had USB 3/SATA III support, which neither of the ones you posted did. Yes, you can get a cheaper LGA1366 board, but you lose features. A board with less features is not a fair comparision for the price difference between builds.
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March 17, 2010 8:33:09 PM

MadAdmiral said:
The HAF 922 does have dust filters. It just might not on the side panel.

@cory: I missed this earlier, but you shouldn't buy open box motherboards. You get literally nothing with it, so figure another $20 for the extra stuff you need (cables, etc.). Also, you only get a 30 day warranty. Not a good idea to buy a $200 part and only have 30 days to see if it works.

Also, those aren't exactly comparable motherboards. The AMD/i5 board both had USB 3/SATA III support, which neither of the ones you posted did. Yes, you can get a cheaper LGA1366 board, but you lose features. A board with less features is not a fair comparision for the price difference between builds.


Actually the more expensive board does have usb 3.0 and sata 6.0gbps. Open box motherboards are not different the BNIB motherboards, newegg only has a 30 day warranty on all motherboards. The manufacturer will still give you the full warranty period regardless if it was BNIB or open box.


Op you might want to check out the CM690 II, it's a fairly new case and it looks nice: $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microcenter has the GA-EX58_UD4P on sale right now for $143; sure it doesn't have usb 3.0 but you cant beat that price:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

Fan filters are sold here as well:
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g47/c223/s548/list/p1/F...

I'd recommend the DEMCiflex brand.
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March 17, 2010 8:44:32 PM

No, Newegg has a 30 day RETURN policy on all motherboards. Open box boards don't come with a manufacturer's warranty. If they did, Newegg would state that they do. Instead, Newegg places a 30 day warranty on them that's the same as the return policy. But yes, that second one does have USB 3/SATA III support.

I don't like the 690 II mainly because it's too expensive. At $100, you can get the HAF 922 (clearly superior) and still have 10 bucks in your pocket.

The EX58-UD4P doesn't have USB 3/SATA III. If it did, it's name would have X58A in it.

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March 18, 2010 12:21:53 AM

MadAdmiral said:
No, Newegg has a 30 day RETURN policy on all motherboards. Open box boards don't come with a manufacturer's warranty. If they did, Newegg would state that they do. Instead, Newegg places a 30 day warranty on them that's the same as the return policy. But yes, that second one does have USB 3/SATA III support.

I don't like the 690 II mainly because it's too expensive. At $100, you can get the HAF 922 (clearly superior) and still have 10 bucks in your pocket.

The EX58-UD4P doesn't have USB 3/SATA III. If it did, it's name would have X58A in it.


Dude..I'm not trying to argue with you but your wrong.

Quote:
sure it doesn't have usb 3.0 but you cant beat that price


I said it didn't have usb 3.0.

Secondly most companies honor their warranty on open box and refurbished motherboards/products.
If you buy an Asus open box motherboard you still get their 3 year warranty.
http://www.overclock.net/intel-motherboards/402072-asus...

Sorry for going off topic :p 

Off for St. Patty's Day drunkeness
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March 18, 2010 12:31:33 AM

See when I read it, I saw "not sure if it has USB 3"...

The warranty info is clearly laid out in Newegg's policies. Go check it out on their site.

Regardless, you don't save enough on an open box board to really justify it. You'll likely need to pay at least $20 (likely $30 with shipping) for the cables you need that would have come with the board. It's worth around another $20 for the board's OS disc, just in case you need it. After that, it helps to have a physical copy of the motherboard and documentation. So, in the end, you're really only saving $20-30. I'd much rather have the peace of mind that comes with getting a sealed box with an expensive part.
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March 18, 2010 1:43:15 PM

Due to some good fortune, I've actually now got more money then I originally thought I did to spend. So i'll prolly be starting another post, I would definetly welcome your input again, and thank you for getting me started on my build :) 
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