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March 17, 2010 9:28:09 PM

Upgrading from a p4 3.0 ghz HT and 1 gig of ram. I thought about going cheaper but decided very quickly I'll be obsolete again. Even flash is starting to choke a bit on my PC.

So here is what I got, how did I do?

ASUS motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Phenom II quadcore (black edition)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4 gigs of this ram, which I researched works well on this system for some reason:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I just got an RMA on my seagate 320 7200 RPM sata drive, so that will be going in there as well too.

I'll be using my no name 430 watt power supply and no name case, that has held my P4 for a long time. Same DVD drive, and accessories etc.

How did I do? Came to about $400 but I had $175 in gift cards to use. Its also a business expense since I do programming as a side job.

Could I of done better for that price? I Know never to buy a cutting edge processor, because that proc will probably br $50 in year. But not always true, the DDR ram I need for my pc is just as expensive ad the new ram I bought. The P4 CPU is still $80 on newegg!

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March 17, 2010 9:29:46 PM

EDIT: FOrgot to mention the MB has a built in video card, as my radeon 2600 is AGP.

I do not play games, though I would love to play the game "Supreme Commander" as I was an old school Total Annihilation addict. Think it will play? It worked on my P4 but choked a lot.
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March 17, 2010 9:44:42 PM

willmalcom said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Maybe try this RAM, better timings. But you don't game so you should be fine :) 


I don't know anything about timing, but will reseach and do an exchange if I have to. Apparently there are some compatibility issues with ram/boards and wanted to ensure it was tried and true.

Thanks!
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March 17, 2010 10:03:35 PM

Fail /FacePalm

Why would you stick with your "No name" psu? It probably won't have the appropriate connectors and you always want a quality PSU as that is the #1 most important part.

What's your budget?
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March 17, 2010 10:10:09 PM

This build is like 99x better.

CPU: 435 2.9 ghz triple core + GIGABYTE GA-770TA-UD3:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

4GB DDR3 G.skill with better timings. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec earthwatts 380W (much better then your "no name" PSU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

5450 512MB video card (dedicated video card always helps even when not gaming
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $357

*EDIT* If anything throw away the PSU you have now, hopefully it won't catch on fire when you try to power up your system.
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March 17, 2010 10:43:08 PM

How can a 3 core proc with a lower clock rate be better than a 4 core proc with a chigher clock rate??

If I have issues with my psu I'll get a new one.

That vid card looks weak. Please explain how that sysem is "99x" better. You forgot that part.

In terms of timing, after some reseach its going to have minute impact.
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March 18, 2010 12:35:43 AM

Bump: Awaiting your answer whitefang. As far as I can tell you sacraficed a lot of CPU power to get an updated US/SATA and a separate weaker vid card.

Power supply does not need to be included in the budget. Please explain why that system you posted is "99x" better than what I got for what I do.
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March 18, 2010 12:54:58 AM

Barely sacrificed any cpu power.

You won't see a difference between the two I swear.

Your no name psu will probably take some parts with it when you power your system on. The video card is weak, but its better then no video card right? You didn't suggest one.

Weaker video card? how is it weaker? explain please...
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March 18, 2010 12:58:59 AM

Good lord I can't believe all the people that post on these forums asking for help and most of them think there crappy PSU is going to be good enough.

Let me just say this as clearly as I can....

PSU = #1 most important part in PC period.
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March 18, 2010 1:36:11 AM

whitefang said:
Barely sacrificed any cpu power.

You won't see a difference between the two I swear.

Your no name psu will probably take some parts with it when you power your system on. The video card is weak, but its better then no video card right? You didn't suggest one.

Weaker video card? how is it weaker? explain please...



The vid card you suggested is weaker than the built in card on the MB.

In terms of the PSU, I have a 430 Watt PSU which is PLENTY of power for this setup. While some cheapie PSUs will do what you say, mind has been rock solid for years, all I have had to do is replace the internal fan cuz it got clogged up with cat hair.

According to new egg, I could use less than 300 watts. However, I have decided to get a better PSU as I forgot mine does not have built in SATA power plugs, I had to use an adapter. However, it is 20+4 pinso it will work with the mother board.

EDIT: This is what I have now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

While I appreciate your input, once again you failed to explain why the system you mentioned is "99x" better, and it appears you now say "You won't see a difference between the two I swear". Interesting change.
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March 18, 2010 1:44:26 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

/Facepalm

That's no better then the PSU you have now.

THE POWER SUPPLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IN YOUR PC
THE POWER SUPPLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IN YOUR PC
THE POWER SUPPLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IN YOUR PC
THE POWER SUPPLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IN YOUR PC
THE POWER SUPPLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IN YOUR PC

Ok hopefully you understand now.

Try this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That psu is 9238172938729183775326568261X better then that POS psu you selected.

Almost any dedicated video card you can find will be better then the integrated you select.
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March 18, 2010 1:52:39 AM

that IS the PSU I have! Not the one I will be getting! LOL.

There is not a "most important part". Without all the parts the PC will not work. Sure s PSU could fry it all. But so could a hard drive, a motherboard, a vid card etc..

Ask me how I know.

Regardless of which card is better, its cheaper to get an integrated right now, as I only plan to play older games such as half life, supreme commander etc.. If I decide to go hard core, than I'll need a better vid card than the one you selected anyways. I can certainly upgrade it since it has PCI express 16X

I have a PS3 anyways for that.

WHIle getting another PSU is something I will change, you have convinced me the system I got is probably the best budget system in terms of performance.

I do programming, so my screen looks like this:
Some app I made running (core 1)
SQL Server being hit by said app (core 2)
My Visual studio and user input (core 3)
Watching some type of vid in the corner of the screen or listenging to must (core 4).

Not to mentioned if I am burning a cd etc..

I'll probably be running a virtual machine as well for LInux since I'll have the power.

So I think a quad makes sense for me and a dual would leave me hanging very shortly.

Thanks for the tip on the PSU, will look into it.
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March 18, 2010 1:54:48 AM

If you really want to fill up your budget


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March 18, 2010 1:57:05 AM

Well since you seem pretty set on getting the quad, I would get the 955 instead of the 965 seeing as the 965 is just an overclocked 955 which you can do in about 3 seconds.

By the way, no games will run with your integrated chip. And supreme commander will definitely not.

*EDIT* I am referring to "Most important" As being the one thing you should not skimp on. A processor you can skimp on, a DVD rom you can skimp on, a hard drive you can skimp on, even a mother board / ram / video card you can skimp on. However, if you skimp on a power supply you risk frying the whole system.

And no, a motherboard / hard drive / video card CANNOT fry your system, only the power supply.
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March 18, 2010 2:12:31 AM

whitefang said:
Well since you seem pretty set on getting the quad, I would get the 955 instead of the 965 seeing as the 965 is just an overclocked 955 which you can do in about 3 seconds.

By the way, no games will run with your integrated chip. And supreme commander will definitely not.

*EDIT* I am referring to "Most important" As being the one thing you should not skimp on. A processor you can skimp on, a DVD rom you can skimp on, a hard drive you can skimp on, even a mother board / ram / video card you can skimp on. However, if you skimp on a power supply you risk frying the whole system.

And no, a motherboard / hard drive / video card CANNOT fry your system, only the power supply.


I've had a hard drive fy my system before. I had a mother board catch on fire ( with a duron no less) and it "fried" literally the whole system.

the 965 has 140W TPD so while it may be overclocked, it has the cooling and packaging to handle it, and you don't know for certain that there is not more to it.

In terms of games:

I currenly have an ATI Radeon 2600 AGP in my p4 system and supreme commander does run. Though my computer lacks the "oomph" to run it like I would like. Let's compare:

My current graphics card specs:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-rad...

The integrated specs on the board I listed:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-rad...

The integrated does "appear" to be weaker in some areas, but other is stronger. It has pixel shader 4.x so it will work with Supreme commander. BUt comparing these is like trying to say my Pentium 4 3.0 is faster than an phenom 2.6 because of a higher clock speed, too many other things to consider.

I'll look for some benchmarks, let me know if you got any that compare these two.
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March 18, 2010 2:23:37 AM

Your actually looking at the older 965 which used more power. The 965 that uses less power is the better processor.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

There is no difference between the two, one is just overclocked.

Now to your video cards.

The 2600 is a much, much, much better video card.

1. it has 120 stream processors instead of 40 which is HUGE.
2. it has almost double the the transistors.
3. it has 128 bit floating point texturing when the 4200 has 32.
4. it has 2.5X the textures per clock cycle.

The only benefit of the HD 4200 over the 2600 is that it's newer so it has some features that don't affect performance at all.

The 2600 will perform a crap load and a half better.

I have been building PC's for over 20+ years, if you don't want our help you shouldn't have come here.
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March 18, 2010 2:32:39 AM

Yes it is the older processor, however the only real difference is that your electricity bill will be higher.

Should have just gotten the 955, 3 easy clicks would have gotten you the 965.

They are 100% identical processors.
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March 18, 2010 2:34:35 AM

Its also 25 cheaper too DOH!! My card was processed todya, have you ever cancelled an order with new egg before it shipped? I could cancel and do it your way since apparently I messed up.

PS. I do want your help, just too many people say things and don't back them up because they can't.
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March 18, 2010 2:36:52 AM

Yes you can still cancel it, I would call them. They have great customer support and it will probably be cancelled within seconds.

*EDIT* You must hurry though! if it's in the processing stage it will be charged VERY soon.
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March 18, 2010 2:37:48 AM

Ok so you are saying that the triple core 2.9 will be the same as a quad 3.2?

Edit: I got $400, if I decided to do some gaming, how should I spend it?
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March 18, 2010 2:39:34 AM

The only benefit of the phenom over the athlon is the L3 cache which barely effects anything.
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March 18, 2010 2:40:58 AM

I cancelled my order mainly because:
I bought an older version of a newer processor
The graphics card is WORSE than my "old one".
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March 18, 2010 2:42:50 AM

Can you "email me" a cart of what you would get? nwjt22 at gmail dot com
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March 18, 2010 2:45:47 AM

PS could be a "new egg" gift card in it for you ;) 
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March 18, 2010 2:49:39 AM

I cancelled my order, it just ticks me off they still offer an older version of a processor and on top of that its more expensive! WT?
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March 18, 2010 2:51:11 AM

So this would be the final build. $422 before rebates,

$372 after rebates.



*EDIT* IMO the 965 at $190 is a complete waste for a $400 PC. It gives little performance increase over the triple core I selected and now you can put that $130 towards a better power supply and video card.
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March 18, 2010 2:57:52 AM

Do you think this system will play supreme commander ok? its not imporatant but would be a big plus!
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March 18, 2010 3:00:25 AM

Yes this system will play every game out today on high to max settings at 1280 by 1024 resolution. Some games like Crysis will not play on max at resolutions above 1600x1200.

I doubt you'll find a game you can't play on good settings. what's your resolution?
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March 18, 2010 3:01:48 AM

nwjt said:
This one caught my eye since it can be OC'd by the mutliplyer:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

What do you think? Is it worth the extra $$


That is a very good processor, however it does not come with a HSF (Heatsink fan)

You would have to add about $10 to the cost to buy one.
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March 18, 2010 3:15:26 AM

Does that mother board have the latest chipset or is it an older one? I would liek to get a mb that will allow me to upgrade to a phenoom X4 or something newer not out yet.
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March 18, 2010 3:24:12 AM

Yes the motherboard I selected can upgrade to the Phenom X4's.

If you really want to be future proof with the processors you would have to spend a little more, the new 890GX motherboards will support the hexacores (6 core)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

That build has crossfire (two PCI-x16 video card slots)
It has USB 3.0 and Sata 6GB's
It has the 890GX north bridge.
It is also a better board overall.

However, it's $50 more.
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March 18, 2010 3:37:20 AM

I think what 'll do is get what you suggest then get the phenom II x4 when they come down in price.

Either way, I suspect this setup will run better than my current pentium 4?
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March 18, 2010 3:39:49 AM

Haha your pentium 4 is a joke compared to this system. It's like trying to compare a cheetah with a turtle.

This by far is the best build you can get for the money. *EDIT* You know how to add the combos right?

http://i44.tinypic.com/hwbm1e.png

Oh, and the reason your old stuff is so expensive is because they don't produce that old tech so it's becoming rare to find.
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March 18, 2010 3:42:13 AM

the chipset on the board you sent me has a max FSB of 2600, the 785 had 4000... How will that affect me?
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March 18, 2010 3:44:46 AM

Huh? It says 2600 for me. I don't think they make a 4000 FSB board.
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March 18, 2010 3:46:52 AM

placing order, thanks! whats your email?
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March 18, 2010 3:48:00 AM

Whitefangsz@gmail.com

I'm heading off to bed now. report back when you build it and let me know how it goes!
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March 18, 2010 3:49:42 AM

will do!
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March 18, 2010 4:02:58 AM

Just pushed the order through, new egg is great. A couple of things came to light:
Make sure you are buying the newest version of a specific processor.
A 5 year old graphics card is better than many of the news ones apparently. i made the assumption a built in card would be better than my old AGP card and I was WRONG!

Wow. I should of asked before ordering. But the main thing I like is that I got an older processor, so I can get teh phenom x4 when the price comes down as an upgrade.
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March 18, 2010 4:08:30 AM

It's probably not going to be worth upgrading, the performance between the two is very small.

In crysis (Most demanding game on a PC today) The Phenom II 955 scores 81 FPS and the Rana 435 scored 75 fps

That's 6 fps (frames per second) and you can overclock your rana 435 past 3.2 ghz and there won't really be a difference at all.

The 4TH core on a processor is actually known to slow down some games as it is not needed at all. Maybe in the future more cores will be used, but as of right now the 4th core is useless for gaming.
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March 19, 2010 4:57:33 PM

Did you get your gift card I sent?
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March 19, 2010 5:39:18 PM

Haha gift card is not necessary :p 

However, no I did not get your gift card.
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March 19, 2010 7:00:46 PM

Naw serious, I sent one. Let me check on it.
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