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New PC build. March/April 2010 $1500

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March 18, 2010 7:04:56 AM

Okay guys I've had my PC for at least 3-4 years now and It's time for an upgrade. Here's a quick list of my outdated parts;

Intel Q660 (stock speed)
Gigabyte P35mobo
8 GIgs of Gskill Ram
Nvidia 8800 GS
OCZ 500w PSU

I've been doing a lot of reading and research and I feel I'm pretty close to a final list of all the parts I want. We are gonna go with an X58 platform. I also plan on using SLI/Crossfire at some point in the near future after prices come down.

Part's I don't need: Case, Sound card, Windows 7 64bit, DVD drive, WD 1TB HD's.
Budget: $1500

Main PC uses: 99.99% gaming on a 1920X1080 monitor.

I also plan to overclock and I'd like to take a shot at water cooling.

Here's what I am looking at...


Ram: Please help me decide on one.


Mushkin Enhanced Redline
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mushkin Enhanced Blackline
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mushkin Enhanced Blackline Frostbyte
http://www.amazon.com/Mushkin-Enhanced-Blackline-Frostb...

CORSAIR DOMINATOR-GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO: please help me decide on one.

GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 141-BL-E757-TR LGA 1366
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Asus P6T
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-P6T-Intel-CrossFireX-Motherb...

ASUS P6X58D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P6T Deluxe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GFX

ATI DIamond 5850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR I'll wait and get Fermi at the end of the month if It's comparable in price/performance to an ATI 5850/5870. Either way I plan on utilizing crossfire/SLI at some point.

CPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Boot Drive: please help me decide.

Intel-80Gig X-25
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Mainstream-Retail-Package-S...

OCZ-Vertex 120 gig
http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-Vertex-Solid-OCZSS...

That's about it. Anyone have any good suggestions of water cooling kits?
Any other concerns? All-in-all I can't wait for Fermi to come out so I can finally buy a new GFX card, not necessarily another NVidia, but if Fermi sucks then I can finally buy an ATI. BC2 runs so-so with an 8800GS :( 

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March 18, 2010 8:41:38 AM

^ At what speeds are you running that Q6600 ? And please do post even the component names along with the links as it would be difficult for us to click all the links just to see what you have come up with...
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March 18, 2010 1:03:56 PM

We need to know what case you have. I want to recommend the HD 5970, but if you don't have a huge case, it won't fit.

I'm not digging through all those links. So here's what you should be building:

CPU: i5-750 $200
Mobo: Gigabtye GA-P55A-UD3 $135
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $115
GPU: HD 5970 $700
PSU: Corsair 750W 80+ $100 after rebate
HSF: Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $35

Total: $1,285. I wouldn't go with a SSD yet. Wait until the 128 GB drives are down to the current price of 80 GB drives, maybe even lower.

The reason I went with P55 over X58 is that if you went with an i7, you'd be sacrificing the GPU. I also recommened a non-CF board because the 5970 is so powerful that by the time it needs to be upgraded, you'll either be looking at an entirely new build or there will be so much better tech out that you should just replace it. The i5 is also just as good in gaming as the i7, so you should save the $300 cost difference between platforms and put that towards the GPU, which is vastly more important for gaming.

Water cooling is very expensive and not really worth it. The best air coolers aren't that much louder and can reach the same overclocked speed. Plus, you don't have the chance of sprining a leak and losing everything.
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March 18, 2010 3:28:38 PM

IF I plan on using multiple GPU's wouldn't X58 be worth it? Also is triple channel memory like a 1/3 better than DDR2?
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March 18, 2010 3:36:26 PM

The X58 is only 4% better in Crossfire, and only noticeable with the 5970. Which you can't afford if you go with the X58, and won't need to be Crossfired. By the time it's not powerful enough to game, there will be new tech out that will make using the 5970 a bad idea (DX 12, 3D support, whatever's going to wow us next). For a $300 price increase (i5-750 to i7-930, LGA1156 USB 3/SATA III board to LGA1366 USB 3/SATA III board, dual channel to triple channel), the gains just aren't worth it.

As for RAM, no one mentioned DDR2. It's all DDR3. If you meant the triple channel RAM (6 GB) vs. dual channel (4 GB), there isn't much difference. The answer would be that there is a speed increase, but only during heavy memory usage. Gaming is not memory intensive. 4 GB of RAM is more than enough for gaming. 6 GB is only recommended with X58 platforms BECAUSE of the triple channel requirement. 3 GB would be a touch too little RAM, and 4 GB would operate slower on the board. Had this been a workhorse build (encoding, rendering, etc.), I would have ditched the 5970 for an i7 with no questions asked. However, this is gaming. The GPU is all important.
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March 18, 2010 3:48:38 PM

+1^ to the above post, listen to him, he is right, for a gaming pc the money is better put in a GPU rather than a processor these days, because the i5 750 is an amazing quad, there is no need to go pass that, unless you doing encoding or something of the sort.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu,257...
in there you will fine that there is no recommendations after the i5 750, anything reviewed after that, are just honorable mentions.
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March 18, 2010 5:10:21 PM

Thanks guys.

I just read so many good reviews about how great the i7 920/930 was so it seemed like a no-brainer. I also read a lot about the I5-750 and it's a great CPU as well, no doubt. I'll take that extra 200-300 I save by going with P55 and put it into GFX, SSD memory.

My last question is this are RAM for P55 and X58 interchangeable?

P55 and X58 are both running triple channel?

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March 18, 2010 5:19:52 PM

noobz1lla said:
My last question is this are RAM for P55 and X58 interchangeable?

P55 and X58 are both running triple channel?


The RAM sticks are individually interchangeable. The i5-750 (in fact, the entire 1156 socket line) is dual-channel, however. Of course, the difference between dual- and triple-channel kits is simply that they're sold in kits of 2 or 3...there isn't any physical difference.
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March 18, 2010 5:24:20 PM

Here's a list of P55 mobos. Anyone see anything interesting?

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD4P-$185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA P55 SLI 132-LF-E655-KR-$190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3-$135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ALSO

How come no one is talking about SATA III/6Gbs?

Is Sata III 2x as fast as SATA II? Or is the 6Gb/s some crazy burst speed that you will never utilize?
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March 18, 2010 5:27:26 PM

noobz1lla said:
How come no one is talking about SATA III/6Gbs?

Is Sata III 2x as fast as SATA II? Or is the 6Gb/s some crazy burst speed that you will never utilize?


Typically, USB3 and SATA3/6GB are included as future-proofing options. Unsure why they haven't been brought up in the thread, though. (I haven't been checking links to see.)

To my knowledge, the only thing that would approach 6.0 GB/s right now is RAID-ed SSDs. Mechanical drives aren't fast enough at this point to use it, and SSDs aren't quite hitting SATA2 maximums yet (as far as I know).
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March 18, 2010 7:18:29 PM

LOL , we already cover by MadAdmiral, as far as i know the motherboard he recommended is sata and usb 3 capable
GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

its no brainer, the build he recommended is the way yo go right now, i wouldn't make any changes to Mad's build unless the OP wanted to save more money and go AMD 890GX and 955, otherwise no changes.
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March 19, 2010 12:36:20 AM

Ok guys thank I'll go with that UD3 with a I5 750.
Do you guys think I should Raid 0 two smaller SSDs or just use one large SSD?

Watercooling would be nice but I guess not necessary for my application? I guess I'll spend that extra money on a new case Coolermaster HAF 932.

and as far as memory goes? 4 gigs of???
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March 19, 2010 1:52:21 AM

4 gigs is perfect for gaming, the only reason we recommend 6 sometimes its only because we recommending x58 ( 1366 platform ) otherwise 4 is more than what any game will ever use now days.
again you missing MadAdmiral post he already stated all this
quote: " s for RAM, no one mentioned DDR2. It's all DDR3. If you meant the triple channel RAM (6 GB) vs. dual channel (4 GB), there isn't much difference. The answer would be that there is a speed increase, but only during heavy memory usage. Gaming is not memory intensive. 4 GB of RAM is more than enough for gaming. 6 GB is only recommended with X58 platforms BECAUSE of the triple channel requirement. 3 GB would be a touch too little RAM, and 4 GB would operate slower on the board. Had this been a workhorse build (encoding, rendering, etc.), I would have ditched the 5970 for an i7 with no questions asked. However, this is gaming. The GPU is all important."

so just go back and re-read his post because that might answer any other questions you may have, if not we will happily answer ^^.
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