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3570k hot only at 4.2ghz

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January 25, 2013 12:36:49 AM

Here are my bios, i followed the asrock ivey guide, but put the cpu calibration line on 5 instead of the 2/3 it said too because I was advised too.


here are bios:
http://imgur.com/a/ZkNcD

stress test on very high for 20 runs: passed
http://i.imgur.com/Uf54kO6.png

build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zhxN


temps just seem high compared to other people i've seen with the asrock evo

usually bsod after 30 mins of gaming

Problem Event Name: BlueScreen
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033
Additional information about the problem:
BCCode: 3b
BCP1: 00000000C0000005
BCP2: FFFFF80003438036
BCP3: FFFFF880076E99E0
BCP4: 0000000000000000
OS Version: 6_1_7601
Service Pack: 1_0
Product: 768_1
Files that help describe the problem:
C:\Windows\Minidump\012113-13072-01.dmp
C:\Users\me\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-23914-0.sysdata.xml

any help is appreciated

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January 25, 2013 12:53:38 AM

I heard that ivy gets hot over 4Ghz.

Nothing is jumping out at me with your voltages.

I would remove and replace the thermal paste/make sure the cooler is installed securely.

With the BSOD's, I would consider backing off the clock speed a little also.
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January 25, 2013 1:25:22 AM

The thinnest even layer is what you should aim for. THIN - EVEN.
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January 25, 2013 1:53:48 AM

hm, how can i check if i put to much, should i reset back to stock at 3.4 and run prime/burntest and see what the temps are then?
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January 25, 2013 2:01:04 AM

Two weeks ago I built an i7 3770 K desktop. I used 1/4 pea size on the CPU and spread it evenly with my finer wrapped in a sandwich bag.

I polished the base of the Hyper 212 EVO and made it flat and even. Put a 1/4 pea size quantity of AS5 on it, spread it evenly with my finger, and then assembled the two together.

My idle temps are around 30 C.
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January 25, 2013 2:03:02 AM

oh i had someone make my pc and i watched, i forget if it was for the cooler or cpu? but he did like 12 pea shots and just smoothed it out
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January 25, 2013 2:05:09 AM

fabby said:
oh i had someone make my pc and i watched, i forget if it was for the cooler or cpu? but he did like 12 pea shots and just smoothed it out

12 pea shots? Absolute overkill and in fact it will hinder heat transfer.

The excess could get all over the socket and elsewhere.
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January 25, 2013 2:09:46 AM

oh ill take it back to him tomorrow, what should i tell him to do? i dont really remember which thing he did it too, mightve been the cpu?
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January 25, 2013 2:15:37 AM

fabby said:
oh ill take it back to him tomorrow, what should i tell him to do? i dont really remember which thing he did it too, mightve been the cpu?

Tell him about the excessive temps. and then inform him that you were advised to re-seat the CPU/heatsink using Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound.

Before you go and see him familiarize yourself with the procedure recommended by Arctic Silver.

http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appmeth/int/vl/intel_ap...

There are some other guides at this site.
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January 25, 2013 2:32:13 AM

ok i was reading, btw

A modern highperformance CPU can be permanently damaged in less than 10 seconds without
proper cooling.

is it possible my cpu is damaged since the overdose of thermal paste applied to the cpu when he was mounting the heat sink to the cpu? and from what im reading hes going to have to remove paste from the heatsink as well?
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January 25, 2013 2:40:01 AM

wait so you get a know hot cpu and a average to below average cpu cooler and expect great temps? dont get me wrong the evo is a good cooler but only because of its price to performance ratio. you are not going to get great temps like some do on the internet.

with that being said it does sound like there is too much thermal paste.
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January 25, 2013 2:43:01 AM

fabby said:
ok i was reading, btw

A modern highperformance CPU can be permanently damaged in less than 10 seconds without
proper cooling.

is it possible my cpu is damaged since the overdose of thermal paste applied to the cpu when he was mounting the heat sink to the cpu? and from what im reading hes going to have to remove paste from the heatsink as well?

Your CPU is not damaged! It is like a light bulb; it will either work or not work.

And yes, he must clean the surfaces of both the CPU as well as the heatsink using alcohol swabs. Alcohol swabs are safer than liquid alcohol. If he is in the computer business (or has built computers) he should know this.
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January 25, 2013 2:44:50 AM

Probably not.. Even if you dump the stuff on (and yes there are test were people have done this) while it will run a few degrees hotter it's not as bad as people make it out to be. It's not good, but it's not OMFG IT'S GONNA BLOW! either.

Just remove, clean, reseat, and check.
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January 25, 2013 2:48:45 AM

ah i see, lol i was messing with my offset in the negatives trying to get my temps lower i just didnt understand what was wrong, he was a good guy didnt charge much either, was done in an hour and ya he runs his own business. maybe he wasnt used to building mid end like this, neighborhood is pretty poor i had to save for a whilee, should i show him a mounting video as well? and do u think my temps would go down to say maybe 60s ;D the 80s hurt my eyes, even if it was on intel burn test on very high for 20 runs.
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January 25, 2013 2:51:51 AM

The guy knows what he is doing or else he would not have survived for so long. Request him to clean off the residue and re-apply AS5 and re-seat the CPU/heatsink.
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January 25, 2013 3:04:31 AM

ya good guy only charged me for an hour when it took longer than that xD
btw here are some pics http://imgur.com/a/SWkga
was gunna try and take off side door to show better but side fan is connected to psu right, woul dhave to disconect that or would it stretch


btw thanks a lot for all the help guys real quick too
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January 25, 2013 3:12:24 AM

Are people telling you to reseat your heatsink because you are hitting 80C during IBT?

Nonesense, your temps are normal for IVY @ 4.2GHZ

Mine hit mid 80C during Prime95 @ 4.4ghz

Don't worry about touching 80C during stress tests... During normal use I expect your hover around what MAYBE 55-60C sometimes?

Dude you are fine.
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January 25, 2013 3:14:27 AM

Ubrales said:
Two weeks ago I built an i7 3770 K desktop. I used 1/4 pea size on the CPU and spread it evenly with my finer wrapped in a sandwich bag.

I polished the base of the Hyper 212 EVO and made it flat and even. Put a 1/4 pea size quantity of AS5 on it, spread it evenly with my finger, and then assembled the two together.

My idle temps are around 30 C.


This guy idles around 30, I idle around 30, you idle around 30? I'm telling you welcome to Ivy bridge - hotter and faster.
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January 25, 2013 3:14:43 AM

but i do remember him using way more than what i saw in that youtube video..
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January 25, 2013 3:16:07 AM

Adroid said:
Are people telling you to reseat your heatsink because you are hitting 80C during IBT?

Nonesense, your temps are normal for IVY @ 4.2GHZ

Mine hit mid 80C during Prime95 @ 4.4ghz

Don't worry about touching 80C during stress tests... During normal use I expect your hover around what MAYBE 55-60C sometimes?

Dude you are fine.

4.4 is not 4.2 and the temps go up pretty quick the higher you go.
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January 25, 2013 3:34:32 AM

im also bsod just from a 4.2... lol
ya b4 when i started out on like a +0.05 i had to stop it cause it went up to 90 in 40 seconds lol only started to calm down when i went to the negatives, also i just tried running it and i got an intel test pop up with an red X but it still kept running
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January 25, 2013 5:24:01 AM

cbrunnem said:
4.4 is not 4.2 and the temps go up pretty quick the higher you go.


Do you even own a ivy bridge system? They run freaking hot.
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January 25, 2013 6:29:40 AM

so your saying he didnt mess up my heatsink and what my temps are to be expected?
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January 25, 2013 2:25:27 PM

fabby said:
im also bsod just from a 4.2... lol



That's why I recommended backing off of the clock speed a little.
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January 25, 2013 2:33:06 PM

bump the voltage those temps are fine.
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January 25, 2013 9:51:40 PM

Z1NONLY said:
That's why I recommended backing off of the clock speed a little.


Or add a little voltage. Voltage = stability. Voltage also = heat.

He could safely add enough voltage to be stable at 4.2 I am sure of it, with minimal temperature difference.
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January 25, 2013 9:54:30 PM

fabby said:
so your saying he didnt mess up my heatsink and what my temps are to be expected?


I'm positive your temperatures are fine. You will need to add voltage to stabilize your OC it sounds like.

One last thing - in windows go to Event Viewer => Custom => Administrative and look for WHEA errors, I expect you will find a bunch. You will need to continue and add very small amount of voltage untill those go away for a completely stable overclock.

You also need to be carefull using that offset overclock - I don't personally care for it. I turned off turbo etc, and use a straight voltage overclock.
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January 25, 2013 9:56:57 PM

And one last thing, I recommend running prime95, not IBT. Ivy runs super freaking hot. You know you have passed IBT, so in my opinion you don't need to run it another 20 times to determine that your CPU is good.

I recommend prime95 for further stress testing because IBT in my opinion pushes Ivy Bridge TOO hard. Prime95 is plenty capable of finding instabilities, why push your system harder than it needs to be?
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January 25, 2013 10:31:30 PM

12 pea sized shots of thermal compound is too much - if this is the case, the CPU/heatsink must be re-seated.
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January 25, 2013 11:20:30 PM

Adroid said:
Or add a little voltage. Voltage = stability. Voltage also = heat.

He could safely add enough voltage to be stable at 4.2 I am sure of it, with minimal temperature difference.


He's at 80C now.

All overclocking involves risk and different people have different risk tolerance and thus differing definitions of "safe".

80c is not acceptable to me for my 32nm chip. I'm not going to recommend 80C (and higher) for someone else's 22nm chip.
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January 26, 2013 3:35:26 AM

lost at what to do lol
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January 26, 2013 4:07:08 AM

Z1NONLY said:
He's at 80C now.

All overclocking involves risk and different people have different risk tolerance and thus differing definitions of "safe".

80c is not acceptable to me for my 32nm chip. I'm not going to recommend 80C (and higher) for someone else's 22nm chip.


Well thanks for sharing your opinion, even though you know very little about the subject.
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January 26, 2013 4:08:59 AM

fabby said:
lost at what to do lol


Like I said, you are fine. But you seem to have got a room full of experts with no knowledge about the Ivy Bridge.

My recommendation is read other peoples guides and posts about their overclocking experience and temperatures.
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January 26, 2013 5:34:47 AM

ya i started trying upping the voltage from the -.07 its at and the tempatures started rising towards 90
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January 26, 2013 6:29:46 AM

fabby said:
ya i started trying upping the voltage from the -.07 its at and the tempatures started rising towards 90


Ok - thats too high. But I also don't know how much voltage you are feeding your chip. You might also have a improperly seated heatsink, or too much/too little thermal paste.

Go to artic silver 5 website and read the PDF about how to properly install thermal paste. I suggest your reapply to rule that out.

Whatever you are doing - stop doing it. 90C is too hot.
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January 26, 2013 7:26:46 AM

fabby said:
lost at what to do lol

Study (not just read) the link I sent you.

Here it is again: http://www.overclock.net/t/1247413/ivy-bridge-overclock...

There are other links about overclocking Ivy Bridge. As other posters have mentioned, Ivy heats up quite fast over 4.0 GHz. This is because of the architecture (22 NM) and the low quality thermal paste used inside the CPU case. Some die-hard overclockers have de-lidded the CPU and applied good quality thermal compounds, but I am NOT recommending this approach.

The reasons behind the temps is basic. At higher clock speeds, the CPU demands more power. This is accomplished by increasing the voltage to the CPU. More power means more heat, and higher temps. And higher quality heatsinks.

Heat transfer still follows the rules of Thermodynamics. When an equilibrium is not maintained, crashes occur.

This is why you need to study up on the aspects of overclocking first, before attempting to tweak settings. Please follow a systematic approach and you will be fine!

Good luck!
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January 26, 2013 11:15:32 AM

Adroid said:
Or add a little voltage. Voltage = stability. Voltage also = heat.

He could safely add enough voltage to be stable at 4.2 I am sure of it, with minimal temperature difference.




fabby said:
ya i started trying upping the voltage from the -.07 its at and the tempatures started rising towards 90



Adroid said:
Whatever you are doing - stop doing it. 90C is too hot.



He's following your advice.





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January 26, 2013 4:46:42 PM

Z1NONLY said:
He's at 80C now.

All overclocking involves risk and different people have different risk tolerance and thus differing definitions of "safe".

80c is not acceptable to me for my 32nm chip. I'm not going to recommend 80C (and higher) for someone else's 22nm chip.


if you think 80 is to hot then you would never turn on a ivy bridge i7 laptop. same chip but awesome run in the 80-90s range when loaded. yes 80 is warm but you are just being too cautious.

OP i agree for that low a clock i think you have a misseated heatsink
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January 26, 2013 7:46:53 PM

how can i tell if its misseated, i get the reapplying paste/removing it part.
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January 26, 2013 7:57:40 PM

to much thermal paste. you basically want AS LITTLE as possible on the surface of both parts.
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January 27, 2013 12:26:34 AM

fabby said:
how can i tell if its misseated, i get the reapplying paste/removing it part.


The heat sink should be flush against the cpu with no room to "rock" (tilt?) in any direction. Note that new thermal paste can be slick and will allow the heat sink to twist a little even when it's properly flush.


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January 31, 2013 11:45:29 AM

ok reseated and reapplied paste, just curious my front usb port stopped working, the other 1 beside it still works tho, what did i do wrong?
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January 31, 2013 2:04:23 PM

Usually I would suspect a header got pulled from the motherboard, but most USB's are "paired" into a single connector. (which means they both should work or both not work)

However, I would open the case and look at the motherboard connections for USB. Maybe follow the cable from the back of the non-working USB port, down to the motherboard, and make sure it's seated.

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January 31, 2013 4:55:08 PM

Goodness all you people saying 80-90c is too hot are just dead wrong. It's not an opinion, it's a fact that 80-90C is NOT too hot for IVY. I run at 4.7Ghz and my temps are 90C on the hottest core in IBT. My PC runs fine and it's been running fine for a while now. During "normal" use it'll NEVER even come close to those temps. Now for a 4.2Ghz overclock 80C even in IBT is just too high. He NEEDS to reseat his heat sink. Bottom line. Go reseat that thing even just to rule it out. But 80-90c Is NOT too hot for Ivy Bridge. If you think that's too hot then your simply not right.
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January 31, 2013 5:18:23 PM

ok, so so i have 2 front usb headers, one works but the 2nd doesnt i made sure they were connected to the motherboard correctly. when i put something in the 2nd usb port it'll light up like my razer mouse logo will light up but it wont be usable for some reason
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January 31, 2013 5:21:18 PM

You probably need to go to another section of the forum for those questions. That way more people will be interested and willing to answer of what your talking about. Right now your in the overclocking section.
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January 31, 2013 5:31:08 PM

fabby said:
ok reseated and reapplied paste, just curious my front usb port stopped working, the other 1 beside it still works tho, what did i do wrong?


whats your new temps. i reseated my water block last night out of curiosity and i did several mounts. i kept putting less and less till the coating was a thin as possible. i barely put any on before and put less on this time and still got better temps by about 5. so hopefully you put just barely enough on this time. also make sure you put a lot of pressure on the heatsink base with the mounting screws. more pressure is typically better as it makes the thermal paste thinner.
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