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May 28, 2010 10:15:11 AM

I need some help from you guys about my PC. I have troubles turning my computer on. It started about 3 weeks ago. The CPU, VGA, Fans Etc are all running but it doesn't give a signal to my monitor. I need to shut it off/turn it on for 2 or 10+ tries before it gives a signal/beep. After that I see an error message saying "The overclocking has failed from the previous attempt. Do you want to reload the default bios configuration? (Y/N) " something and it goes well again. I never did something about overclocking on my computer and now I am wondering why is that? It happens to me everyday. Sometimes I'm prompted with a CMOS checksum error/bad. I already changed the CMOS Battery but the problem is still there.

What do you think guys? I already tried trouble shooting everything from the CPU, RAM and VGA. Do I need to change my PSU?


BTW this is my specs:
Intel C2D E7300
2X1gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2
ATI Sapphire HD4830 512mb DDR3
XFX XG31i Mobo

Any help and suggestions will me appreciated. Thank you

PS: sorry for my grammar

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a c 275 ) Power supply
May 28, 2010 10:25:56 AM

I've seen that message before so what i did is pressed my onboard cmos switch.
No problems after that i just had to do some minor bios resets(xmp) and everthings been fine since.

If that doesn't nip it run a MemTest+ you may have a bad stick.

Hope this helps!
a b ) Power supply
May 28, 2010 11:15:21 AM

Have you tried to load the default configuration when prompted?

When you changed the CMOS battery did it clear CMOS or not?
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May 28, 2010 10:17:07 PM

davcon said:
I've seen that message before so what i did is pressed my onboard cmos switch.
No problems after that i just had to do some minor bios resets(xmp) and everthings been fine since.

If that doesn't nip it run a MemTest+ you may have a bad stick.

Hope this helps!


Thanks Davcon,

I have been resetting the cmos by means of battery removing/jumper but I still have problems switching my computer on.

Done with the memtest and reached 100% coverage and there was none single error on my stick.

I am starting to suspect that my PSU has to do with this, maybe it doesn't give enough power anymore. Not sure though just wanted to make sure before I buy a new one.

Again thanks Dav
May 28, 2010 10:22:19 PM

user 18 said:
Have you tried to load the default configuration when prompted?

When you changed the CMOS battery did it clear CMOS or not?


thank you User18!

About the default configuration, I always does that everyday :lol: 

Yes! it cleared the CMOS, but after saving the settings in BIOS the problem goes back again. Another 10+ tries to get my computer to boot. I keep on doing that everyday and already pisses me off. I will try to get a new PSU next week if the problem doesn't resolved here. :cry: 



a c 275 ) Power supply
May 28, 2010 10:38:34 PM

Could you tell us what your psu is exactly!

Someone else could help that is more knowledgeable.
May 28, 2010 10:57:46 PM

davcon said:
Could you tell us what your psu is exactly!

Someone else could help that is more knowledgeable.


I hate to say this but I am currently using a Generic one. I was planning on buying a HEC Raptor 500W or a Thermaltake Litepower 600W.

I hope someone out there can help me with this. :cry: 



May 28, 2010 11:39:45 PM

jadrexmorgan said:
I hate to say this but I am currently using a Generic one. I was planning on buying a HEC Raptor 500W or a Thermaltake Litepower 600W.

I hope someone out there can help me with this. :cry: 

hi
with a generic psu and running an ati 4830, u r quite lucky that your pc is still working. i think this might be the problem here. if you have a smaller/weaker vga to test, that will tell you for sure if the problem is with the psu or not. hope i helped.
a b ) Power supply
May 28, 2010 11:44:46 PM

This problem is almost certainly a faulty power supply, and should be the first thing that you should try.
May 29, 2010 2:45:22 AM

lordszone said:
hi
with a generic psu and running an ati 4830, u r quite lucky that your pc is still working. i think this might be the problem here. if you have a smaller/weaker vga to test, that will tell you for sure if the problem is with the psu or not. hope i helped.


Thanks lordzone,

LOL luckily this generic (500w) psu is almost 2 years now, running about 12 - 16 hrs/ day. All of my hardware are stock except for the additional two 120mm fans. I already sold my weaker VGA (ATI HD 3650) so I don't have anything to test for now.

thanks for dropping by.


May 29, 2010 2:48:51 AM

pjmelect said:
This problem is almost certainly a faulty power supply, and should be the first thing that you should try.

Thanks PJ,

hopefully next week, I will buy a new one. I prefer a cheap but great performance PSU (I'm on a very tight budget) and hopes my pc gets back to normal. Appreciated the reply PJ!
May 29, 2010 7:36:29 AM

Update: I can hear a one click ("tsk") sound and the computer just freezes/pause and returns to normal again. Any idea what hardware is making that sound? It happens to me every few minutes/hours.
a b ) Power supply
May 29, 2010 8:19:04 AM

Quote:
Update: I can hear a one click ("tsk" ) sound and the computer just freezes/pause and returns to normal again. Any idea what hardware is making that sound? It happens to me every few minutes/hours.


That sounds as if it is the hard drive doing that. But I wouldn’t worry about it until you change the PSU. You can always download and run the hard drives manufacturer diagnostic software.
May 29, 2010 4:35:45 PM

Again thanks PJ. What do you think of my posted PSU brands. Its quite difficult to find good brands in our location and those two are my best pick. Can you advice a better PSU brand in the price ($55 - $60) same as those? I was also planning on getting an OCZ StealthXStream 500 Watts ($66) but its quite difficult to find it here. I heard a lot of good things about this one.
June 2, 2010 8:28:56 AM

UPDATE: I just bought a new PSU (Thermaltake Litepower 500W) and WTF!!! the problem is still there. I am still having some troubles booting my computer. I'm starting to suspect that my mofo mobo is the one responsible for this. Should I get a 1 gallon of kerosene with a match and burn this mofo system down? LOL I'm really pissed off. =(

Another update: Why does my mice keeps blinking every time my computer won't boot?

June 2, 2010 12:08:42 PM

Any experts out there who can help me?
a b ) Power supply
June 2, 2010 11:36:33 PM

It does indeed look like the motherboard is faulty, unlucky. You could try the computer with only one stick of memory one at a time to see if the memory is responsible even though it has passed the memory tests.
a b ) Power supply
June 3, 2010 12:15:27 AM

Could this be a CPU issue?

When you say that your mouse is blinking, do you mean that the laser is flashing on and off, or something else?
June 3, 2010 2:36:09 AM

Yes, its flashing on and off. That is when my computer is not booting.

So it means I have to replace my CPU? my gawd! :ouch:  Thanks anyway, I will also try to run it with a single stick.

Thanks user18 and PJM...
June 3, 2010 3:13:19 AM

I did an everest sensor to check if my CPU is overheating. What do you think of the temps? Are they normal? Is there anyway I can use everest for trouble shooting or to check if there is something wrong in my system?

Here's the link: http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/12/everestsensor.png
a b ) Power supply
June 3, 2010 3:44:32 AM

Is this under load or at idle? These look a bit high for idle temps, but are more reasonable for load. My Athlon II x4 620 barely gets to 50 after several hours of full load (video rendering) with stock cooling - no overclock. Of course, your CPU is a bit older.

I have never used Everest, I use speedfan to monitor temps.

Your CPU is probably fine, just throwing another idea out there. Have you checked all of the connections between your PSU and components? If it boots only sometimes, there may be a loose connection.

Do circumstances affect whether or not it boots? (i.e. will it not boot in the middle of the day)

One more thing - have you tried updating BIOS? That might solve this, although I doubt it.
June 3, 2010 3:56:52 AM

user 18 said:
Is this under load or at idle? These look a bit high for idle temps, but are more reasonable for load. My Athlon II x4 620 barely gets to 50 after several hours of full load (video rendering) with stock cooling - no overclock. Of course, your CPU is a bit older.

I have never used Everest, I use speedfan to monitor temps.

Your CPU is probably fine, just throwing another idea out there. Have you checked all of the connections between your PSU and components? If it boots only sometimes, there may be a loose connection.

Do circumstances affect whether or not it boots? (i.e. will it not boot in the middle of the day)

One more thing - have you tried updating BIOS? That might solve this, although I doubt it.


I'm currently doing some basic operations while checking on the temps (Firefox, WMP, 4 excel spreadsheets) so there's nothing heavy. My CPU has its stock fan, no OC and everything. My PSU connections are good and no loose connections I checked it 100 times already :D 


Do circumstances affect whether or not it boots? (i.e. will it not boot in the middle of the day)
No, it doesn't have that circumstances. The problem is there the whole day.

For the BIOS update, I wish I could but I am afraid it may get corrupted.
June 3, 2010 6:46:04 AM

UPDATE: Tried swapping the RAM Sticks and tried using one stick at a time in different slots. Nothing happened the problem is still there. LOL
June 3, 2010 8:32:22 AM

jadrexmorgan said:
UPDATE: Tried swapping the RAM Sticks and tried using one stick at a time in different slots. Nothing happened the problem is still there. LOL

Hi
i dont know if it will make a difference but try shorting the power pins, on which u connect the casing wires inorder to press the power button on the casing. that way maybe your casing's power button is not working correctly. if that doesnt work then i think it might be your motherboard that is faulty. hope i helped
June 3, 2010 9:20:49 AM

lordszone said:
Hi
i dont know if it will make a difference but try shorting the power pins, on which u connect the casing wires inorder to press the power button on the casing. that way maybe your casing's power button is not working correctly. if that doesnt work then i think it might be your motherboard that is faulty. hope i helped


Thanks for dropping by lordzone, the problem started even before I was still using the built in power switch on my mobo. Last week I bought a new case (thermaltake wingrs) with a working power switch and nothing has changed. I am still waiting for my cousin to borrow his mobo and try to test all the hardware to sort whose working and whose not. Appreciated the help!
June 3, 2010 5:16:06 PM

Update: I tried pulling out both RAM and VGA and the motherboard beeps (single long beep). lol The problem is even worst now, it took me almost 1 hour to get my computer to boot. =( I can't wait for tomorrow to test my CPU and MObo on my cousin's sytem. I hope its the mobo and not the CPU that is causing all these. CPU is too expensive in our country!
June 3, 2010 7:25:46 PM

OK I was searching in the internet when I found this thread.
http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=45910

What does the forumer means when he says
" If the RAM is indeed faulty or has *** itself, you won't get the 'beep' or the bios screen.

If it is a motherboard problem, look at the capaciters and see if any are boulged/boulging.
If you take the RAM out, and start the computer it will just have one long beep, it will do this aswell if you take the video card out."

Did he mean that if the Mobo is faulty I should get a single long beep if I pull out those two hardwares? And if the RAM is faulty I don't get a beep if they are seated?

I'm already frustrated =(

Thanks guys for keeping this thread up. I really do appreciate all the help.
a b ) Power supply
June 3, 2010 8:17:43 PM

Quote:
" If the RAM is indeed faulty or has *** itself, you won't get the 'beep' or the bios screen.

If it is a motherboard problem, look at the capaciters and see if any are boulged/boulging.
If you take the RAM out, and start the computer it will just have one long beep, it will do this as well if you take the video card out."


This means that the single beep is indicative of a motherboard error if it happens when either the VGA or RAM is out. If it happens with both in, then it is a different problem.

Another thing that he says is that there is a physical irregularity on the motherboard. Do a visual check of the motherboard. If you see anything that looks funny, perhaps post a picture.

What we seem to have ruled out so far:
PSU
RAM
VGA - (you do get video when you boot, right?)

What may be the problem:
CPU
Mobo


June 4, 2010 9:26:31 AM

Hi User18, I just came back from my cousins and I figured out that the motherboard is causing all these. I tried swapping our RAM, VGA, CPU in to our boards. His mobo is the only one who boots and mine with his hardware didn't.

Please take a look at this mobo since this is the only price range I can afford for now. Its cheap and has good reviews.

I'm planning on buying this clean looking mobo. Its an ECS g41 Board
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I'm also thinking of an ASUS board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... but I'm sick of G31 boards they just don't lasts that long.

I'll give you an update tomorrow. CROSSFINGERS :cry: 
a b ) Power supply
June 5, 2010 3:32:29 AM

Ok, looks like we have a definitive cause. I have never tried an ECS motherboard, but that one seems to have mixed reviews. What is your budget (in USD) for a new motherboard? There might be a better one out there.

Both boards have the same rear connectors, but the ECS one appears to have more potential for upgrades. That board also supports more drives (4 SATA vs 2 SATA), but does not support overclocking on DDR2. If you are not looking at OCing, this should not be an issue. The ECS board supports 4gb DIMMs, while the ASUS only supports 2gb/slot. ECS also has slightly better integrated video, but that does not seem to be a factor.

Overall, the ECS board seems to be a better buy. It has better capabilities, and although it has mixed reviews, they are still better than the ones on the ASUS board. If you are leaning towards the ECS board I would say it's a good choice.

Take a look at this motherboard. It is cheaper even than the ECS, and has much better capabilities. It has space for 4 DIMMs, an additional two SATA drives, and more rear panel ports. This deal from Newegg is an open box deal, so if you are willing to take a chance on an open box and download an online Mobo manual, you should be good. I assume you won't need more SATA or PATA cables since your old Mobo is dead.

Go with either the Gigabyte or ECS. I trust Gigabyte more, but both boards seem like good deals. Good luck with your (re)build.
June 5, 2010 4:04:44 AM

Hello everyone, I just purchased a new mobo and my system is in very good condition now. Again I appreciate the time you have given me and thank you very much for dropping by.

@user18, I bought the ECS because its much cheaper than the Asus one. Its funny you didn't include the link of the mobo you recommended. Its quite difficult to find entry level Gigabyte mobos here. All of them are high end which I can't afford.

Again thank you very much!
Jadrex from Philippines
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