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May 28, 2010 4:38:41 PM

I'm not much of a computer know-all so i'm sorry if this question blows.

What is the difference between AMD Athlon™ II X2 240 (2.8GHz, 2MB Cache) and AMD Athlon™ II X3 435(2.9GHz,1.5MB).
Furthermore which is better for gaming (basically just WoW).

Both processors would be paired with and Integrated ATI Radeon HD4200 Graphics card and 4096MB Dual Channel DDR3 [4x1024] Memory.

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May 28, 2010 4:47:33 PM

both CPU come from the Athlon II processors family but the 435 has an extra core from the 240 two cores. Both will run WoW very well since the game like a fast dual core CPU. here is the 435 against a slightly faster x2 255 CPU in WoW and you see the FPS is basically the same.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/112?vs=121

that being said I would get the x3 435 as more current games will take advantage of the extra core.

P.S. I would look into a discrete video card, even something cheap like the ATI 4670 would be a vast improvement over the HD4200.
May 28, 2010 5:02:32 PM

I see, thanks.

Thing is the computers i'm looking at will ship ready-made from something like Dell so i can't help but ask in reply to your P.S. side note, is it possible to remove/switch/bypass etc the integrated card cheaply and easily, if at all?
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May 28, 2010 5:11:10 PM

real easy, plenty of the cards are simply plug into the PCI-E x16 slot and Win 7 will load the drivers for you.

if you have a budget and the resolution of your monitor, we can reccomend you a card
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May 28, 2010 5:25:53 PM

^If your a WoWHead I Bump the 435,

You may get to unlock the 4th core as well, mine is running at 3.5GHz cheerfully, but as Ct said, you 'need' a good graphics card, not just onboard,
At least your switched on enough to ask for advice man, kudos to you.
May 28, 2010 5:52:20 PM

Haha, yeeeep WoW is my guilty pleasure. Me, my brother and our friends all play it together.

Just as a little note my budget is around £600.

However, just now while on the Dell website i got the chance to chat with a sales advisor and he has recommended me a bundled pc and monitor which he believes will suit my needs for a tidy sum just over £600. What do you guys think of it:

AMD Phenom™ II X4 820 (2.8GHz, 6MB Cache)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit - English
DELL™ 20”W HD MONITOR ST2010 - BLACK - UK
6144MB Dual Channel DDR3 [2x2048 + 2x1024] Memory
1TB (7200rpm) SATA Hard Drive
ATI Radeon™ HD 5450 1GB DDR3 graphics

Bearing in mind WoW is likely to be the only gaming i'll be doing along with the normal running of the pc (i.e.: web browsing, MSN, Skype, etc)

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May 28, 2010 6:03:15 PM

the 5450 1GB DDR3 is not a gaming card, and Dell sales reps sell PC to fit their needs not yours

i would get the x3 435 system and an ATI 5670 from your local online retailer. It would be a far better system then the one you linked above.

P.S. you do not need 6GB of RAM, 4GB is more then enough. By the time you have a need for 6GB, the RAM you do have will be outdated.

P.P.S. I have owned two DELL PCs and two DELL laptops over the years so I'm not anti-DELL
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May 28, 2010 6:08:15 PM

The HD5450 is not a gaming card, and that price looks high for that system. Although likely on other parts too, you're probably being rooked on the RAM; 4GB is enough.
At the least, you would want a HD5760 or HD5750. If you post the sites available to you, I'm sure you'll get good suggestions from members more familiar with those sites.
How do you feel about building this PC yourself, from parts? Although it requires patience and attention to detail, it is not particularly difficult, can save a lot of money, is very rewarding, and you'll know the machine inside and out and be able to upgrade and/or fix it later if necessary.
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May 28, 2010 6:09:33 PM

ct1615 beat me to the Submit button, but apparently great minds think alike.
May 28, 2010 6:14:22 PM

435 system will be like this:

AMD Athlon™ II X3 435(2.9GHz,1.5MB)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit - English
Dell IN2010N 20” Widescreen Consumer Flat Panel Monitor - UK (quick search says this will be 1600-900 res.)
Integrated ATI Radeon HD4200 Graphics
4096MB Dual Channel DDR3 [4x1024] Memory
320GB (7200rpm) SATA Hard Drive

You rekon i should get that system, and an ATI 5670 to go with it?
Got any helpful sources that show how to d.i.y change a graphics card (especially any that are similar to what i'll have to do) and also any websites you believe are worth looking at to find the new card? Much appreciated in advance.
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May 28, 2010 6:18:12 PM

Make sure that doesn't come in a "slim" case, because the HD5670 is not [yet] available in a Low-profile version. The PSU you get in that system should be powerful enough for a HD5670 even if it's only 300W.
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May 28, 2010 6:30:18 PM

havoc8463 said:
435 system will be like this:

AMD Athlon™ II X3 435(2.9GHz,1.5MB)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit - English
Dell IN2010N 20” Widescreen Consumer Flat Panel Monitor - UK (quick search says this will be 1600-900 res.)
Integrated ATI Radeon HD4200 Graphics
4096MB Dual Channel DDR3 [4x1024] Memory
320GB (7200rpm) SATA Hard Drive

You rekon i should get that system, and an ATI 5670 to go with it?
Got any helpful sources that show how to d.i.y change a graphics card (especially any that are similar to what i'll have to do) and also any websites you believe are worth looking at to find the new card? Much appreciated in advance.


how to install a graphics card video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9x097QRXeA
May 28, 2010 6:51:45 PM

Thanks ct.


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Make sure that doesn't come in a "slim" case, because the HD5670 is not [yet] available in a Low-profile version.


I take it a 5670 should fit nicely in a standard tower? I wasn't looking at getting a slim one thankfully.
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May 28, 2010 6:55:44 PM

you will have no issue installing it in your Dell tower
May 28, 2010 7:11:02 PM

Thanks for all the help guys.

P.S. If you wouldn't mind clarifying what it means by 'integrated card' it's been nagging at me as i'm not totally sure what that means.
Is it just a static component that you can't take out and the new card will work with/instead of it?


P.P.S jtt283, saw your post a bit late but here's to hoping you're still lurking. I'm not adverse to building the pc myself it's just that it's a daunting prospect to me seeing as though i've never so much as opened a tower case before and no matter the research i put in to it i'm likely to get 'rooked' due to inexperience =]
May 28, 2010 7:30:48 PM

*Edit* Ignore my first P.S. note, i have since found an abundance of answers on the amazing interwebs.

D'uuhh silly me not using google.
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May 28, 2010 9:10:26 PM

"Google is your friend." There, probably mostly on Youtube, you'll find any number of tutorial articles and videos on building your own PC - if you want to. Research a little first if you think you might be interested. It isn't for everyone (otherwise Dell, HP, and others wouldn't be such successful companies), but there are many good reasons to do it, and many on these forums who would be happy to help you at it.
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May 28, 2010 9:13:51 PM

glad your getting sorted man, As for building one yourself, take it from me, Id never opened a case b4 either, and I built this one if you do decide to be brave and try it,, ask on here like you have for this thread, take your time and enjoy :)  youll not go wrong with everyone on here helping you :)  either way the x3 435 build seems a good option for you.
May 28, 2010 9:24:26 PM

Haha, yeah. I've gotta thank everyone for the input, it's really helped.

It's a tough one; on the one hand i can build it myself and really get in to it and learn some cool stuff, or i can go for the speed option and get a nice system and upgrade parts when i get it.

It just sucks that the companies like to sell these pc's to you with great processing and ram capabilities and then smack weak IGPs in there so you keep their buddies in business. Oh well xD, food for thought.
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