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March 5, 2010 4:27:39 PM

I plan to buy a new GPU soon (hopefully when Fermi release instigates a price drop) and have narrowed down my choices to these two cards. This is becuase I am under the impression that nvidia isn't releasing a card in that price range for a good while, correct?

The most glaring difference is 128-bit vs. 256-bit, but I'm a bit of a hardware noob so can someone explain to me what that means for performance? I use my comp primarily for gaming (and want to buy BF Bad Company 2 when I pull the trigger)

Also, are there certain brands or qualities in the different varieties of cards I should look out for? i.e. enhanced cooling, overclocking/software, or warranties?

Thanks in advance for all input!

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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 4:34:10 PM

I personally feel the 5830 is Overpriced for the price/pref. The 5770 however is a great card, and with two of them in crossfire they can out perform a single 5870. The 5830 requires more voltage, runs hotter, is bigger, requires 2 PCI-E power cords, and to top it all off is priced at the $230-250 price range, which is nearly $70-$100 more then the cheapest 5770 cards. You can get away with 1920x1080 (no AA) maximum settings with most games on the 5770. With two in crossfire you can turn on all the goodies and let the fun roll. In my opinion I would buy the 5770.
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 4:35:14 PM

The 5830 isn't a bad card, especially when OC'ed. However, at its current price it seems a little...overpriced. If you are looking at the 5830, also consider saving up for a 5850. I would not go the 5770 route unless you have a crossfire supporting MB, as i think it will have the 'upgrade' desire sooner.

And more importantly, what is your monitor Resolution. That is an essential consideration in a GC buy.
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 4:42:00 PM

You can start crunching some specific specs for a certain type of use you might want to give to the card, but the most common bottom line is FPS'es at a given monitor res. "bits" used for bandwith affect that bottom line as good as any other (well, they all have different impacts on different aspects they live for, but well... that's kinda long to explain xP).

ANYWAY! The big question for you to answer so we can help you is: are you willing to wait after Fermi's release for the same reason you are saying? (prices might change a little for good).

If not, and you're not the OC type, the 5830 would be a better card to get, BUT, right now, is way overpriced IMO. If you can sacrifice a few FPS's and don't want to spend over USD$160 (overall prices), then the 5770 is the card to get. Given you're gaming around 1680x1050 and not planning on a monitor upgrade soon.

My 2 pesos :p 

Cheers!

EDIT: Typo xP
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a c 358 U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 5:08:19 PM

Between the two I would get the HD 5770 due to price/performance.
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March 5, 2010 5:09:40 PM

EXT64 said:
The 5830 isn't a bad card, especially when OC'ed. However, at its current price it seems a little...overpriced. If you are looking at the 5830, also consider saving up for a 5850. I would not go the 5770 route unless you have a crossfire supporting MB, as i think it will have the 'upgrade' desire sooner.

And more importantly, what is your monitor Resolution. That is an essential consideration in a GC buy.


1920 x 1080.

Thanks for your input everyone!

I have pretty much decided to go for the 5770 because my next upgrade will be mobo, RAM, and later a 2nd 5770 to xfire.

That being said, I'd like to focus on the other part of my post, that being "are there certain brands or qualities in the different varieties of cards I should look out for? i.e. enhanced cooling, overclocking/software, or warranties? "

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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 5:26:09 PM

What are your priorities right now?

You'd be better with a longer warranty or a better cooling solution, software?

Cheers!
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 7:35:52 PM

Personally, I don't worry too much about the warranty since most are wither 2 or 3 years, which is plenty in my opinion. Customer Service quality is a bigger deal, but much harder to rate.

I think (not sure on this as I don't have one) the Vapor-X version of the 5770 is pretty good. Hopefully some actual owners will be able to give some better feedback.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 7:46:16 PM

Yeah, the HD5830 is overpriced. If you are going to spend that much at that point you should just pay the extra for the HD5850 which is a much better card.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 8:12:21 PM

Well of course it's a better card than the HD5770. $100 better...? Not even close. If it was $50 less it would be a fine choice but at current prices it just doesn't make sense compared to the HD5770 and HD5850.
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 8:18:22 PM

Right now all 5850's are 310.00 at newegg so they are making a 70 dollar gap between it and a 5830. Thats not a small amount.
Would the op consider the fairly expensive MSI 5770 with its military spec vr and cooler.
Most are getting a 20% o/c with it. Its a interesting card IMHO>
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
with rebate today and free shipping *
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 8:19:13 PM

I agree it's a fine card, if OP has enough for the 5830, isn't afraid to OC then the 5830 is a great choice.

The extra bandwidth of the 5830 would really come in handy if you want some AA at that resolution (1920x1080).

However if you can stretch more then the 5850 is a HUGE gain, if you have a CF mobo then get the 5770.
If you don't have enough money for the 5850, want AA, and don't have a CF mobo then the 5830's a pretty sweet choice.

Overall either card is great, OCing them would really add value.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 8:28:49 PM

notty22 said:
Right now all 5850's are 310.00 at newegg so they are making a 70 dollar gap between it and a 5830. Thats not a small amount.

I guess you didn't actually look at the HD5830s because the only one available on the site is $270, making the gap $40. If you count sold out cards the gap is $50.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 8:34:44 PM

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Then don't buy it if you think it's overpriced.

I wasn't planning on it obviously, I also wouldn't recommend other people do so either. Even ignoring the other HD5000 cards it's a poor buy when compared to the HD4890. DX11 isn't worth a 25% price bump.
And for the record I wasn't recommending the HD5770 back when it was $30 more than the HD4870 either although many here were.
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 8:39:11 PM

Times change, the 4870 has risen to $160, while the 5770 is steady at $160 too.
Sigh, the great price battles of the GT(X/S)200 vs 4000 series days.
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 9:00:12 PM

Okay so 5830s are going for $270, 5770s are going for $150.00 that is a $120 price difference in the two cards. Add thirty dollars to that and you have 2x5770 for the price of 1x 5830. Which by the way runs as fast as a 5870. So theory intact. The op could purchase:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $159.99 free shipping 5770.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $140.

And have gotten a graphics card and processor for around the same price as just the 5830? Which is a better buy? the 5770.
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 9:06:09 PM

Is getting a Athlon II X4 & a 5750 relevant at ALL?
No RAM, no mobo, no HDD.
What does that do? What kind of comparasion is that?

If someone wants a 5870 are you gonna tell them to buy 2 Phenom II's instead?
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 9:08:26 PM

Or Actually the OP said he wanted to upgrade his motherboard and ram:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $94 AMD CFX Mother board

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $159 XFX 5770 W/ FREE $30 game

Total: 253. New motherboard that's crossfire ready, and graphics card for less than the price of the 5830. If they wanted to go even further they could use the processor link above bring total system price to $393. Or if he changed out the Processor for memory like he wants bring the total system build price to $320 for 2x2GB of ram. Roughly $50 more than what he would pay for the 5830 would buy him a new mobo/ram/graphics card.

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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 9:10:39 PM

Did you read the message where he said what his upgrade path was? Graphics -> Mobo -> Memory. If he's getting a new mobo a processor MAY fall into that equation. I am just trying to show options, and its 5770 not 5750. 5830 is Overpriced, plain and simple $270 can buy nearly all three upgrade's he was looking for.

sabot00 said:
Is getting a Athlon II X4 & a 5750 relevant at ALL?
No RAM, no mobo, no HDD.
What does that do? What kind of comparasion is that?

If someone wants a 5870 are you gonna tell them to buy 2 Phenom II's instead?

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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 9:11:28 PM

sabot00 said:
If someone wants a 5870 are you gonna tell them to buy 2 Phenom II's instead?

Or you could get EIGHT Athlon II x2s! That's twice as many cores!

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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 9:13:50 PM

jyjjy said:
I guess you didn't actually look at the HD5830s because the only one available on the site is $270, making the gap $40. If you count sold out cards the gap is $50.

Seriously ,whats your point, spin much ?
OK let me correct YOU, 250.00, Thats still a 60.00 difference, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... the other includes a 30.00 dollar game , clearly IN THE TITLE, My original post referred to the 3 cards that were available since launch till today that were 240.00. Those days the the 5850's were also 310.00. But you knew all this.
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 9:35:19 PM

sabot00 said:
The only one available ie. you can press "add to cart" is $270.
The one you linked is out-of-stock.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Only one available.

Yes, I know. The launch articles mentioned 240.00, the cards were also available for days at 240, that was what my post was originally based on. This 270.00 version that is now the only one left happens to have a cooler that MSI offers up and down the 5 series line, ALONG WITH A PREMIUM. The now out of stock cards with higher prices ? who knows , what they will be again, when in stock. Its not in stone that they will be that higher 'marked' price. Newegg might just be covering all bases, maybe ATI told them , don't expect to many more ? Harkening back to some web sites calling this a paper launch because of NO inventory.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 9:40:35 PM

notty22 said:
Seriously ,whats your point, spin much ?

The prices I stated are exactly correct. If you are counting only in stock cards the price difference is $40, if you count out of stock cards then it's $50. I don't see how stating the actual price differences can be considered "spin." If there's any of that going on it's you comparing out of stock HD5830s to only the in stock HD5850s or the $70 number you mentioned at first which doesn't seem to be based on anything.
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March 5, 2010 9:40:41 PM

you can overclock a 5830 up to 5850 levels but you can't overclock a 5770 to anything near 5850 speed.

both cards are fine for their price points, but the 5770 is really fine and the 5830 not quite so fine.
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 9:48:41 PM

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Thankfully i got mine for 239.99 :) 



Have you OC'ed them yet? How hot do they run? What PSU do you use? If I could get a 5830 @ $200 then it'd be a good buy over the 5770s, but @ $270 you can put $30 more and get 5870 performance. Have you done any benching on your card??? I'd like to see the results is all.
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 9:50:34 PM

jyjjy said:
The prices I stated are exactly correct. If you are counting only in stock cards the price difference is $40, if you count out of stock cards then it's $50. I don't see how stating the actual price differences can be considered "spin." If there's any of that going on it's you comparing out of stock HD5830s to only the in stock HD5850s or the $70 number you mentioned at first which doesn't seem to be based on anything.

Well your not correct, if your counting out of stock cards. I just showed you a 250.00 version WHICH IS 60.00 DOLLARS less, that was 240.00, which is a 70.00 price difference. But your acting obtuse to acknowledge this. If newegg goes out of stock on this later, will no one be allowed to ask this question ?
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a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 9:55:01 PM

Nice nice, With the 5870 flash were you able to unlock the binned parts? When you get your second card back I'd love to see some benchmarks.

EDIT: Saw your fan remarks :) 
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 5, 2010 10:54:37 PM

notty22 said:
Well your not correct, if your counting out of stock cards. I just showed you a 250.00 version WHICH IS 60.00 DOLLARS less, that was 240.00, which is a 70.00 price difference. But your acting obtuse to acknowledge this. If newegg goes out of stock on this later, will no one be allowed to ask this question ?

What? Why are you allowed to compare out of stock cards to only the in stock cards and I'm incorrect for stating the correct price differences whether in or out of stock?
I'm not acting obtuse, I'm just reporting the actual prices on the site. I don't understand what you are doing or why you think you are making a fair comparison. Let me repeat this one last time, if you count only in stock cards the cheapest HD5830 is $270 while the cheapest HD5850 is $310, for a price difference of $40. If you include out of stock cards(YOU are the one who started using out of stock cards) the cheapest HD5830 is $250 and the cheapest HD5850 is $300 for a price difference of $50.
From what I can gather you are basing the $70 number on the launch price quoted in reviews versus the current actual price of only currently in stock HD5850s on newegg? I can't imagine why you think that is a fair comparison. Heck if you want to go with launch prices the HD5850 was $260 so the difference shrinks to $20 then but of course that number can't conceivably have any meaning to anyone.
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March 15, 2010 2:30:35 AM

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Below is my 5830. My 2nd was defective from newegg so i RMA'd it. THey overclock pretty well from there stock 800c/1000m clocks. I flashed mine to a 5870 bios so that's why they're different. They run VERY cool. The sapphire has 5 heat pipes so it idle's at 25C and only hits 60C overclocked with the fan on automatic.

Benching? Lots Haha. Stock clocks they hit 18K in 06, Overclocked they do 20,5xx in 06. In Bad company 2 i beat a stock 5870 on advanced detail with 8XAA and 16XAF @ 1920X1200 by 4fps. It's a pretty awesome card.

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww252/2MCHBoost/oc5830.gif


What would be the point of flashing your 5830 bios, to a 5870 bios?
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June 9, 2010 12:29:57 PM

ehm you can overclock further...

Also my question:
is it a good idea to buy the 4890? Because directx 11 is not such an improvement for me. I am also thinking of a new video card, and I'm choosing between the 4890, 5770 hawk or a sapphire 5830 :whistle: 
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June 9, 2010 4:14:54 PM

get the 4890..you wont regret it..
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a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2010 12:30:21 AM

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Below is my 5830. My 2nd was defective from newegg so i RMA'd it. THey overclock pretty well from there stock 800c/1000m clocks. I flashed mine to a 5870 bios so that's why they're different. They run VERY cool. The sapphire has 5 heat pipes so it idle's at 25C and only hits 60C overclocked with the fan on automatic.

Benching? Lots Haha. Stock clocks they hit 18K in 06, Overclocked they do 20,5xx in 06. In Bad company 2 i beat a stock 5870 on advanced detail with 8XAA and 16XAF @ 1920X1200 by 4fps. It's a pretty awesome card.

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww252/2MCHBoost/oc5830.gif


Just because your 5830 can hit 975/1250 does not mean it is faster than a stock 5870. The 5830 has half the ROP's of the 5850/5870 so that right there tells you that the bandwidth output is not the same. That's like me saying that my GTX 260 is faster than a GTX 285 just because I overclocked my 260 past the 285 stock clocks. You have to take the ROP's and SPU's into consideration as well.



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