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May 30, 2010 4:43:47 AM

Hello, first post here. I built my current PC back in 2003, its a P4, Intel board, 1G RAM, Audigy, Geforce 5200FX, Win XP Pro. It's fine for web and office work but the hard drives are starting to die and its just plain time for an upgrade. Having been out of the computer "know how" for the past seven years, I seek your experience.

I quickly put together two PC builds, one AMD the other Intel. Budget is preferably under $1000. Max is $1300. I'd like it to last another 7 years before major overhaul. Plan to run Win 7 Home and use will be mix of gaming (Eve-online) and office use (Office and iTunes). Also, I've never overclocked before if that matters (?). Here is what I came up with:

Phenom II X4 965 BE
MSI 790FX-GD70
G. Skill Ripjaws 4GB (2x2GB) 1600
XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit
Samsung EcoGreen F2 HD154UI 1.5TB SATA 3GB
Corsair CMPSU-750TX
ASUS V236H Black 23" 2ms Widescreen Monitor

$1,061.91 - Newegg 5/29/10

or

i7-930
ASROCk X58 Extreme LGA 1366
G.Skill 6GB (3x2GB) 1600
XFX HD-587A-ZND9 Radeon HD 5870 1 GB XXX Edition 256-bit
Samsung EcoGreen F2 HD154UI 1.5TB SATA 3GB
Corsair CMPSU-750TX

$1,258.94 - Newegg 5/29/10

I'm sure these builds are rough but I would appreciate any advice you can offer.

Thank you in advance!

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May 30, 2010 6:12:55 AM

Hello and welcome to the forums :) 
I would go with the second one.
It has a faster CPU,a significantly more powerful VGA and also more RAM
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May 30, 2010 7:07:17 AM

I'd buy this:

GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T + Antec TruePower New TP-650
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
XFX HD-577X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec TruePower New TP-650
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASUS VH236H Black 23"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$1,104.93

You can buy the cheaper Phenom II X4 955 BE for a total of $994.93
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May 30, 2010 8:05:19 AM

Sasmaster6000 said:
Hello, first post here. I built my current PC back in 2003, its a P4, Intel board, 1G RAM, Audigy, Geforce 5200FX, Win XP Pro. It's fine for web and office work but the hard drives are starting to die and its just plain time for an upgrade. Having been out of the computer "know how" for the past seven years, I seek your experience.

I quickly put together two PC builds, one AMD the other Intel. Budget is preferably under $1000. Max is $1300. I'd like it to last another 7 years before major overhaul. Plan to run Win 7 Home and use will be mix of gaming (Eve-online) and office use (Office and iTunes). Also, I've never overclocked before if that matters (?). Here is what I came up with:

Phenom II X4 965 BE
MSI 790FX-GD70
G. Skill Ripjaws 4GB (2x2GB) 1600
XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit
Samsung EcoGreen F2 HD154UI 1.5TB SATA 3GB
Corsair CMPSU-750TX
ASUS V236H Black 23" 2ms Widescreen Monitor

$1,061.91 - Newegg 5/29/10

or

i7-930
ASROCk X58 Extreme LGA 1366
G.Skill 6GB (3x2GB) 1600
XFX HD-587A-ZND9 Radeon HD 5870 1 GB XXX Edition 256-bit
Samsung EcoGreen F2 HD154UI 1.5TB SATA 3GB
Corsair CMPSU-750TX

$1,258.94 - Newegg 5/29/10

I'm sure these builds are rough but I would appreciate any advice you can offer.

Thank you in advance!


Even I vote for the second one.
Though, if you don't plan on adding a second 5870 later, you don't really need the 750W psu. The Corsair 650TX will work just as well, even for an overclocked processor. You could also consider the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB, which is much faster than the eco-green.
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May 30, 2010 4:44:47 PM

7 years is really too long in the computer industry. I would say 4 years, at the very least.

Anyway though, My recommendation is based on half your target price goal minus the monitor, which you could probably still keep. ($550). Your money will go a lot further if you upgrade again to another $550 system in 3 years. This is my opinion, of course.

If you decide to still go with the $1000+ computer now, I do not recommend crossfire. You do not get enough returns for your money. I do, however, agree with everyone about the CPU. the phenom IIx6. If you plan to not even upgrade for 7 years though, get 8GB of memory now. Anyway, on to my $550 pick minus the monitor:

CPU: Athlon II x3, 3.0GHz. $75. same as the phenom II but lacks L3 cache. Doesn't have a major impact on a lot of things. 3 cores is enough.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: Mushkin silverline: $114: ram gives you the least return for $ when you purchase faster ram vs slower ram of the same capacity.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: Asus 785G. What can I say? good motherboard. $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard drive: Spinpoint F3. $80 I assume you need high capacity by your initial choices. cheap, fast, quiet and reliable.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video card:$140 after rebate. radeon 5770. good performer.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power supply: $45 after MIR. good power supply with enough power. Modular too. OCZ.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total after MIR: $534
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May 30, 2010 8:57:12 PM

enzo matrix said:
7 years is really too long in the computer industry. I would say 4 years, at the very least.

Anyway though, My recommendation is based on half your target price goal minus the monitor, which you could probably still keep. ($550). Your money will go a lot further if you upgrade again to another $550 system in 3 years. This is my opinion, of course.

If you decide to still go with the $1000+ computer now, I do not recommend crossfire. You do not get enough returns for your money. I do, however, agree with everyone about the CPU. the phenom IIx6. If you plan to not even upgrade for 7 years though, get 8GB of memory now. Anyway, on to my $550 pick minus the monitor:

CPU: Athlon II x3, 3.0GHz. $75. same as the phenom II but lacks L3 cache. Doesn't have a major impact on a lot of things. 3 cores is enough.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: Mushkin silverline: $114: ram gives you the least return for $ when you purchase faster ram vs slower ram of the same capacity.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: Asus 785G. What can I say? good motherboard. $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard drive: Spinpoint F3. $80 I assume you need high capacity by your initial choices. cheap, fast, quiet and reliable.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video card:$140 after rebate. radeon 5770. good performer.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power supply: $45 after MIR. good power supply with enough power. Modular too. OCZ.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total after MIR: $534



I understand your point of view and I am open to it. I just read the March SBM article on $750 Gaming PC Found Here and the results Found Here. I find this really interesting as this also used an x3.

I've spent the day at work reading as many articles and forums as I can about my many options. I even created a pricing matrix in excel which quickly compares the builds you all have suggested either using a X6 1090T, X4 955, i7-930 and i5-750. The highest price differences between the four systems was $170. Anyway they all came out of my price range as I forgot to add a case (HAF 992 - $80) and W7 retail ($200).




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May 30, 2010 11:12:34 PM

I've narrowed it down further with the help of your suggestions. Here is what I've come up with:

CPU: X6 1090T
MOBO: GA-890FXA-UD5
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB
GPU: Saphhire 5830
HD: SpinPoint F3 1TB
PSU: Antec TP-650
Case: HAF 992
Monitor: ASUS 23"
OS: WIN7 - OEM

Neweggs' pricing comes to: $1,334.90

If I downgraded the CPU to a X4 955 and the GPU to a XFX 5770, it would drop the price to: $1,184.90, saving $150. I'm not sure if its worth it. What do you think?

Edit: Fixed a link
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May 31, 2010 12:23:48 AM

Sasmaster6000 said:
If I downgraded the CPU to a X4 955 and the GPU to a XFX 5770, it would drop the price to: $1,184.90, saving $150. I'm not sure if its worth it. What do you think?

Edit: Fixed a link

Hmm. If you want to save a few extra $$$ on the build, downgrade from a phenom II 1090t to a phenom II 1055t. 2.8GHz 6-core is more likely to stay afloat performance wise in 7 years. Besides, if you ever figure out overclocking, they overclock about the same.
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May 31, 2010 12:29:00 AM

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BTW.. Just download W7 off the internet. Do not buy it. :lol: 


Win7 RC is no longer supported. See Here. If you're describing a cracked version, well, I don't need that headache again =)
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May 31, 2010 3:55:16 PM

I checked my company's discount at Dell. Here is what I found:

Studio XPS 7100
ROCESSOR & GRAPHICS CARD AMD Phenom™ II X6 1055T + ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English
WARRANTY AND SERVICE 1 Year Basic Service Plan
MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz- 2 DIMMs
MONITOR 24.0" Dell ST2410 Full HD Monitor with VGA cable
HARD DRIVE 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/-RW Drive
SOUND CARD THX® TruStudio PC™

Subtotal $1,388.99


....A 5870 for only $54.09 more than my $1,334.90 Newegg build? Granted, Dell has a slower CPU. But I'm stuck now...
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May 31, 2010 6:46:21 PM

Sasmaster6000 said:
....A 5870 for only $54.09 more than my $1,334.90 Newegg build? Granted, Dell has a slower CPU. But I'm stuck now...

Yes but the 1090t is $100 more expensive than the 1055t. so if you were to swap parts in your newegg build... not to mention that you also have a better power supply in your newegg build.
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June 1, 2010 2:46:22 AM

Upon closer inspection, the Dell used a 785G board. That, along with the discount, equated to the price difference. Wouldn't using a lower chipset board hurt performance?
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June 1, 2010 2:54:01 AM

Sasmaster6000 said:
Upon closer inspection, the Dell used a 785G board. That, along with the discount, equated to the price difference. Wouldn't using a lower chipset board hurt performance?


I'd recommend http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

i'd recommend this card over your current graphics card, u still get the 8gb flash and a huge increase in performance
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