New $650-&700 Gaming rig. Suggestions??

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Here is a new gaming rig i am planning to purchase and ship.

Can i get som of your thoughts and feedback please??

mobo: Gigabyte GA-MA785GT-UD3H
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-785GT3H&title=GIGABYTE-GA-MA785GT-UD3H-rev-1-0-Socket-AM3-AMD-785G-DDR3-A-V-GbE-ATX-Motherboard

cpu: AMD Phenom II X2 555 AM3 Black Edition
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=HDZ555WFBX&title=AMD-Phenom-II-X2-Processor-555-3-2-GHz-AM3-Retail-Black-Edition

gpu: SAPHIRE Raedon 5770 1Gb
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=AT-5770V3&title=Sapphire-Radeon-HD5770-1GB-DDR5-2DVI-HDMI-DisplayPort-PCI-Express-Video-Card


psu: ANTEC EA650 650W
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-EA650&title=Antec-EarthWatts-EA650-650W-Power-Supply


HDD: WD CAviar GReen 1TB 64mb cache
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=HD-W10EARS&title=Western-Digital-Caviar-Green-WD10EARS-1TB-SATA2-64MB-Power-Saving-Hard-Drive


RAM: Kingston 2x 2GB 1333mhz
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=W4G1333KI9&title=Kingston-KVR1333D3N9K2-4G-DDR3-1333-4GB-2x2GB-CL9-Memory-Kit

Total: $650.94

I am not willing to buy a chasis yet, buta ny suggestions are welcome:

Please advise on appropriate changes if any.

***PS: All suggestions should be limited to the specific site only and not Newegg since
it doesn't offer internarional shipping

:sol: :sol: :sol: :sol:
 
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I would try and get an 890GX board with 6GB/s SATA and USB 3.0 if it would fit the budget.
 
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Can't purchase from NewEgg, going through a percel forwarding company is a bit too expensive for me.

Any suggestions from ewiz.com??
 
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I wouldn't worry about a USB v3.0 mobo at this point in time because there aren't any USB v3.0 devices out there to take advantage of. If there are and I just haven't seen them, they're very limited and probably cost an arm and a leg. I mean what USEFUL things will USB v3.0 give that you can't already get from USB v2.0? The only thing I can think of is Data rate transfer speed but seriously, at 4.8Gb/s you know it's not going to be worth it for a long time. I mean eSATA is already wickedly fast at 3Gb/s and with the advent of USB 3.0, the prices on eSATA 3GB/s external HDs will fall like stones as SATA 6Gb/s comes out. Keep in mind that although USB 3.0 will be ridiculously fast, only external SSD drives and USB-key flash drives will be fast enough to use it. Think, at a maximum of 10Mb/s on most home high-speed internet networks, webcams could still operate just fine on the old parallel port! Mice? They'd still run fine on serial ports! There's nothing out there to justify the increase in price that is bound to come with USB v3.0, at least not yet and not in the forseeable future. USB v2.0 is already overkill for most devices like keyboards, mice, webcams and the like. Hell, even my magicjack operates perfectly in a USB v1.0 port on my old Dell Latitude C610 Pentium III! (I only use it for the magicjack anyway) If I were you, I'd get the following setup and if I decided I wanted to have USB 3.0 capability later, I'd get a PCI card and pop it in. Also, the WD Green drive is slow as dirt, I'll help you with that too. I'm Canadian so I don't know what US tax rates are, I'm just working with price and shipping here. I'll try to keep 10% available for taxes just in case:


CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 630 2.8GHz Quad-Core - $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103704
Motherboard: ASRock M3A770DE Dual-Crossfire - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157176
RAM: 4GB (2 X 2GB) OCZ Gold DDR3-1333 - $106 (-$20 mail-in-rebate=$86)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227479
Hard Drive: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s - $80 - 1800rpm faster than the WD Green Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145304
Video Card: ATi Radeon HD 5770 1GMB - $157 (-$10 mail-in-rebate=$147) It's not as pretty as the Sapphire but who cares, you never see the thing anywayz.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131328
Power Supply: OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W - $75 (-$25 mail-in-rebate=$50) According to AMD, you only need 600W for 2 x HD 5770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341017

Well, instead of $639, we're at $578 now, a difference of $61. To bring it back up to up to $639, you could add a case and some fans:

Case: Logisys Black / Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower w/480W power supply - $44
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811148045
Case Fan: IPCQUEEN IPC-12025 120mm Case Fan - $4 (x2 = $8)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835168006
Back-up video card: Galaxy GeForce 7200 GS 256MB - $35 (-$25 mail-in-rebate) = $10 (no joke!)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3192397&CatId=1558

Total - $675 - $80 mail-in-rebates = $590 (includes standard newegg shipping to the continental USA/lower 48 states)

Now before you start breathing fire at me about the case already having a power supply, let me explain. If your power supply ever fails (it could happen, I had an OCZ GameXStream 1010w fail, but OCZ has incredible service and gave me a replacement that cost almost $300 more at the retail level), you'll be glad to have this 480W as a backup until you get your replacement. I wouldn't use it for any extended length of time but it should be alright for the times that you need it as a spare. I know my generic 450W sure was. Also, because the motherboard doesn't have on-board video, get the 7200 GS from tigerdirect for what ends up being $10. It's better than an IGP and if your vidcard ever screws up, your computer will still be perfectly usable (except you won't be able to game) and you'll be able to use the internet to contact whomever you need to. Also, I didn't trust my spare generic power supply with my HD 4870 so I was glad to have my old 8500 GT to use instead. You might consider this in the event of a power supply failure. In any event, $10 for a vidcard, it's impossible to go wrong! Hell, you could even leave it installed and use it as a PhysX engine on some older games that use PhysX! LOL

I hope this helps you out and I hope you like what I've done. :sol:
 
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Wow.... Thanks for the detailed rsponse. :D

Here is what i have in mind:

1. Instead of the Athlon II X4 630 2.8ghz, why not go for the Phenom II X2
555 3.2ghz BE + XFX HD 5770 Combo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.346137


2. Mobo: A GA-MA785GMT-UD2H with intergrate HD 4200 instead of 770 DE
plus backup graphics card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128397


With everything else remaining the same, my total comes to $585.

Like i said, i don't really care for a case since i already have one.

What do you think about this new system??
 
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No don't get OCZ ram, it's known to have a lot of problems with a lot of motherboards. Get this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231276&cm_re=10666CL7D-_-20-231-276-_-Product

Also, I would get the rana 435 and this mobo.

CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103724&cm_re=435-_-19-103-724-_-Product

MOBO http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128419&cm_re=Gigabyte_770-_-13-128-419-_-Product

Or try to get an 890GX board, if you don't care about USB 3.0 / sata 6GB's then this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128398
 
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The thing i have with the 770Gx mobo is that is has no intergrated video card.

The 790Gx is Ok.

I still Would opt for the phenom II x2 555 BE rather than the atlhlon II x3
 
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I'd go for the Phenom II X2 555 too. If you are lucky and get it unlocked then you got a bonus.
Having the spare PSU & Video Card is a sound advice. I have one myself. But the problem is I don't want it lying idle so I ended up building a working low spec PC around it... :) Although now that you are getting the GA-MA785GMT or a 790Gx you don't need a spare video card since you got an IGP.
 
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That's what i keep saying, i prefer the Phenom II X2 555 BE and mobo with an IGP.

Its better than buying a mobo without IGp then buying a spare video card at about$10 extra.

Thnks randomkid :D
 
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The GA-MA785GMT-UD2H is PCIe v2.0
http://www.gigabyte.co.id/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=3174
But I agree with you that it being a micro and single PCIe x16 slot will be a limitation in the future.
 
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Why in the name of God do you want him spending an extra $24-$40 on a motherboard when he doesn't have to? And there's nothing wrong with OCZ RAM. I have 8GB of it in my computer with no problems at all. Where's your evidence that OCZ has problems? Your post makes no sense. Get this motherboard for $24 more after rebate or if you don't care, get one that's $40 more after rebate. Are you even paying attention to what you're looking at?
 
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I was considering that one but remember that you'll have to have a power supply strong enough for 3 cards and the odds of using 3 cards are slim because unless you buy all 3 at once, they'll be obsolete by the time you're ready the way things are going. Remember, only a year ago the Radeon HD 4870 was brand-new. Now it's yesterday's news compared to the 5770 because the 5770, although a bit weaker is DX11 compatible (not that it matters because the tesselation levels will overwhelm it), uses less power and generates less heat. Everything you do has to have something supporting it. Triple Crossfire is nice but now you'll need a 750W power supply to go with it. I'd stick with the 2 if I were you. I don't think you'll be using 3 with a budget of $700. :sol:
 
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Avro Arrow DDR3 OCZ ram IS known to have a lot of problems, go look at the reveiws and read up on it.

I suggested the 770 because it is USB 3.0 Sata 6gb's forgetting that it doesn't come with a integrated video card. By the way, why does it matter if it doesn't come with a integrated video card since he is buying a ATI 5770? the Gigabyte 770 board is one of the most suggested single PCI-X16 board on tomshardware.

The 890GX mobo is however a very good buy because it will support the hexacore.

*EDIT* By the way, tri-xfire is completely useless and a waste of cash. Almost no games will make use of a 3rd/4th video card. A lot don't even make use of a 2nd video card.
 
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This is true. I got an HD4890 and I was pretty sure when I bought it that 6 months or 1 year down the road I will buy a 2nd one when the price has dropped. Now, the price has dropped but not very much although what is stopping me more is that there is also this HD5XXX series that have better features.
My two boys got HD4770 each playing at 1440x900 so I have been practically begging them to upgrade their monitor to 1920x1080 so I can give the one the HD4890 and buy the other with another HD4890 or HD5830 so I can play Crossfire in my Motherboard. But they don't want it so I am really itching to do crossfire but don't want to buy another HD4890 now.
 
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I agree that the triple-crossfire is a waste but so too is the USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 because no conventional hard drive can actually so 3GB/s, not even a WD Velociraptor. If he spends now, he might be missing out on something that they release. At this point in time, there's no reason to spend more than $60 on a motherboard. He probably won't even upgrade his CPU for 2 years at least. I have a Phenom II X4 940 and I know that I won't. The 780G motherboard is just addressing a need for redundancy in the graphics system so that if something happens, he still has a computer. Personally I don't see the point because the backup card I recommended will end up costing him only $10 and it will be able to be used on any PCI-Express motherboard he buys in the future. It's just a little stop-gap thing to keep him going if he ever needs it. That's why I'm glad I have my old GeForce 8500 GT. It served me well when my power supply went kaput. As for OCZ, I am looking up the DDR3 and there are problems but none with DDR3-1333. It's all with DDR3-1066 and the motherboards involved with the OCZ DDR3 incompatibilities are seem to be nVidia-based, specifically the 790i. As for reviews, which reviews? OCZ Gold PC12800 DDR3-1333 Dual-Channel doesn't get reviewed by ANYONE, not just nobody reputable, nobody at all! AnandTech - Nothing, Tomshardware - Nothing, Guru3D - Nothing, HardOCP -Pointed to an article about OCZ Gold DDR3-1333 2 x 1GB that was posted on www.virtual-hideout.net back on January 8, 2008. Well if that's not irrelevant, I don't know what is. They also didn't have any compatibility problems btw. All in all, I can find NOTHING at all on the net reviewing this RAM or any forums saying it's causing trouble. I've searched honestly. I started googling "OCZ Gold PC12800 DDR3-1333 problems" and got nada. I tried "OCZ Gold PC12800 DDR3-1333 review" and got something about a singe 6GB triple-channel set giving someone problems with an i7 board. If it was a serious problem, I would have seen more than one and this isn't an i7 build anyway. I did see one article where the guy had a bad stick of some OCZ RAM and said it's the first bad stick he's had out of 10-12 sticks of OCZ RAM. Most of the things I see about OCZ are positive. Now, the newegg reviews... You're aware that these reviews are posted by people of dubious expertise and there are a total of 25 reviews. Now, do you honestly believe that newegg sold 25 sets of this RAM? At this price, they've probably sold 25,000 sets of it. And of those 25 reviews, 10 say excellent, 1 says good, 6 say poor and 8 say very poor. Now as we know, people generally don't put up a review if the stuff works. They just complain if it doesn't. Now considering that this is an excellent price for a good name of RAM with really good-looking RAM sticks (it shouldn't matter but people will buy something if they like how it looks) do you think they haven't sold 1000's of them with only 14 people having problems out of that total? It's most likely. This is newegg here not some small unknown seller of computer parts! I have an idea, I'll call newegg right now and ask them about it. Yep, the guy at newegg laughed. He said they sell it all the time and have no problems with returns on that item. They sell THOUSANDS per month he said. So here we have you reading a few bad reviews, looking around and seeing some bad things (I'm not sure what) that are probably TOTALLY irrelevant to this situation. Maybe I should tell you where I'm coming from. I SOLD this stuff. Yes, that's right. I used to work at tigerdirect.ca. I sold RAM by OCZ, Corsair, Transcend, Centon, Kingston, Crucial, Patriot, SuperTalent and Ultra. You know what? It's all basically the same crap! It just looks different and some of the higher-end ones overclock better! I don't know where you get your information but I was an insider up until last August when I left to got to University. All you've shown is how you REALLY want to be right (this is obviously a pride thing for you, not about helping anyone) and that you know very LITTLE about technology. You showed this by hurriedly running to newegg with the links I provided and tried to use 14 bad reviews out of something that newegg themselves said they sell THOUSANDS of, hoping to discredit my recommendation for the simple reason that you didn't make it! You're trying to get him to pay extra for a motherboard that isn't going to do anything for him except cost more. What the hell for? The only thing that could possibly benefit from USB 3.0 is SSD's and Flash-Drives! Mice don't need it, keyboards don't need it, webcams don't need it, magicjacks don't need it and neither do Bluetooth or WiFi dongles! For those things, even USB 2.0 is already overkill. When I worked at tigerdirect I learned a couple of things. 1 - 99% of people do not upgrade their computers except maybe to add RAM within the first 2 years. 2 - Most toys and gadgets on a motherboard sound good, but they never get used. 3 - Most of the time, people buy a 2-slot motherboard and never use the 2nd slot because by the time they're ready to add another card, the card they have is obsolete. (As I said with my HD 4870, it came out 1.5 years ago and it's already on its way out.) Gigabyte's a good board maker but it's no better than ASRock (Who used to be ASUS' OEM division) and certainly isn't worth the huge increases in price. Next you start spouting some *COMPLETE BS* about the Phenom II X6 that comes out in May needing the 890GX chipset. Again, you show your ignorance. Here's a link so you can learn something:
http://www.giga-byte.ca/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_List.aspx?CPUVender=AMD%20Phenom%20II&CPUModel=Socket%20AM3_1454
Not only will the Phenom II X6 Thuban series work in ANY AM3 motherboard, with ANY AM3 chipset, it will ALSO work with ANY AM2+ motherboard that supports CPUs up to 140W! So here's you again, pulling facts out of your a$$ all because you want to be RIGHT, not because you actually have a clue or care about helping Starges, you just want to be "DA KING". Well I've showed you what you're king of and Starges now sees it too. This is what happens when you have no links to back-up your story. I automatically think you're full of it and I'm right 99% of the time! What really pisses me off about people like you is that you make people overspend by feeding them assumptions instead of facts. When someone's doing a PC build, every mistake on component selection is an expensive one. You don't care though right? After all, it's not your money, it's just a game to see who you can get to do what you tell them. :sol:

To Moderators, please check my story to validate what I said before you pass judgment on my post, assuming someone even complains.
 
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