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Anonymous
December 7, 2004 12:39:27 AM

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So I've got a nice big HD in an external USB2.0/Firewire Combo Case, and I
want to use it with BOTH my Mac and PC. The Mac is running the latest
10.3.x, and the PC is totally windows updated (XP SP2 + hotfixes).

To the best of my knowledge, the only format that will work cross platform
without any additional software is FAT32. Having plugged the drive into my
PC, I was shocked to see in Admin Tools - Disk Management, only one option
in the partition / format wizard. NTFS or NTFS!

Knowing full well that Microsoft hadn't eliminated support for FAT32, I
opened a command window and typed format /? and sure enough, right there was
FS: (file system switch)

So what's the deal! MS decided they wanted to make it difficult to format
drives in something other than NTFS? The Admin Tools is NOT the place to be
hiding options from power users! What is this big brother garbage?

OR.. (and this could be my bad here).... am I wrong and FAT32 normally is
an available option in the GUI? I mean during XP install from the Bootable
XP disk you get the choice of FAT32 or NTFS. Is Fat32 no longer an option
once you've made your system disk NTFS? Is FAT32 not an option because my
drive is on USB and not directly sitting on the IDE ribbon? Is the 120GB
drive too big for FAT32, and the Admin Tool knew something that the command
window didn't?

Thanks in advance,
Ethan



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Anonymous
December 7, 2004 8:47:31 AM

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"hupjack" <hupjack_nospamtoday_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| So I've got a nice big HD in an external USB2.0/Firewire Combo Case, and I
| want to use it with BOTH my Mac and PC. The Mac is running the latest
| 10.3.x, and the PC is totally windows updated (XP SP2 + hotfixes).
|
| To the best of my knowledge, the only format that will work cross platform
| without any additional software is FAT32. Having plugged the drive into
my
| PC, I was shocked to see in Admin Tools - Disk Management, only one option
| in the partition / format wizard. NTFS or NTFS!
|
| Knowing full well that Microsoft hadn't eliminated support for FAT32, I
| opened a command window and typed format /? and sure enough, right there
was
| FS: (file system switch)
|
| So what's the deal! MS decided they wanted to make it difficult to format
| drives in something other than NTFS? The Admin Tools is NOT the place to
be
| hiding options from power users! What is this big brother garbage?
|
| OR.. (and this could be my bad here).... am I wrong and FAT32 normally
is
| an available option in the GUI? I mean during XP install from the
Bootable
| XP disk you get the choice of FAT32 or NTFS. Is Fat32 no longer an option
| once you've made your system disk NTFS? Is FAT32 not an option because my
| drive is on USB and not directly sitting on the IDE ribbon? Is the 120GB
| drive too big for FAT32, and the Admin Tool knew something that the
command
| window didn't?
|
| Thanks in advance,
| Ethan
|
|
|
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|

Hi Ethan -

You're right - Microsoft has made FAT32 a difficult option under Windows XP.

FAT32 is only supported on partitions up to 32GB under Windows XP. Windows
XP, however, will support a FAT32 partition in excess of 32GB, provided it
is formatted elsewhere such as DOS, Windows 98SE, Windows ME... though next
best thing to impossible with a DOS diskette, as there is no USB support
under DOS.

Jef
Anonymous
December 7, 2004 9:17:08 AM

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I had the same problem, had to use Western Digitals DOS utilities
to FAT32 format my WD 80GB hard drive.

Win XP will only format FAT32 up to 32GBs.
I've heard that Partition Magic will do what you want.

Or just download a Win Me bootdisk off the internet.
Or Hard drive manufacturers DOS utilities
You will need to set up your new hard drive in your computer by it's self.
then boot off bootdisk, partition and format.

Win 98SE (without the MS patch) had a problem partitioning
Western Digitals beyond 60GBs.

"hupjack" <hupjack_nospamtoday_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:quednYsCj7qN3yjcRVn-iA@comcast.com...
> So I've got a nice big HD in an external USB2.0/Firewire Combo Case, and I
> want to use it with BOTH my Mac and PC. The Mac is running the latest
> 10.3.x, and the PC is totally windows updated (XP SP2 + hotfixes).
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the only format that will work cross platform
> without any additional software is FAT32. Having plugged the drive into
> my PC, I was shocked to see in Admin Tools - Disk Management, only one
> option in the partition / format wizard. NTFS or NTFS!
>
> Knowing full well that Microsoft hadn't eliminated support for FAT32, I
> opened a command window and typed format /? and sure enough, right there
> was FS: (file system switch)
>
> So what's the deal! MS decided they wanted to make it difficult to format
> drives in something other than NTFS? The Admin Tools is NOT the place to
> be hiding options from power users! What is this big brother garbage?
>
> OR.. (and this could be my bad here).... am I wrong and FAT32 normally
> is an available option in the GUI? I mean during XP install from the
> Bootable XP disk you get the choice of FAT32 or NTFS. Is Fat32 no longer
> an option once you've made your system disk NTFS? Is FAT32 not an option
> because my drive is on USB and not directly sitting on the IDE ribbon? Is
> the 120GB drive too big for FAT32, and the Admin Tool knew something that
> the command window didn't?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ethan
>
>
>
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> my address.
>
>
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Anonymous
December 7, 2004 9:23:30 AM

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See if there is a simple patch for your Mac, to work with NTFS.

"hupjack" <hupjack_nospamtoday_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:quednYsCj7qN3yjcRVn-iA@comcast.com...
> So I've got a nice big HD in an external USB2.0/Firewire Combo Case, and I
> want to use it with BOTH my Mac and PC. The Mac is running the latest
> 10.3.x, and the PC is totally windows updated (XP SP2 + hotfixes).
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the only format that will work cross platform
> without any additional software is FAT32. Having plugged the drive into
> my PC, I was shocked to see in Admin Tools - Disk Management, only one
> option in the partition / format wizard. NTFS or NTFS!
>
> Knowing full well that Microsoft hadn't eliminated support for FAT32, I
> opened a command window and typed format /? and sure enough, right there
> was FS: (file system switch)
>
> So what's the deal! MS decided they wanted to make it difficult to format
> drives in something other than NTFS? The Admin Tools is NOT the place to
> be hiding options from power users! What is this big brother garbage?
>
> OR.. (and this could be my bad here).... am I wrong and FAT32 normally
> is an available option in the GUI? I mean during XP install from the
> Bootable XP disk you get the choice of FAT32 or NTFS. Is Fat32 no longer
> an option once you've made your system disk NTFS? Is FAT32 not an option
> because my drive is on USB and not directly sitting on the IDE ribbon? Is
> the 120GB drive too big for FAT32, and the Admin Tool knew something that
> the command window didn't?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ethan
>
>
>
> --
> To e-mail me, replace "_nospamtoday_" with the "@" symbol when replying to
> my address.
>
>
Anonymous
December 7, 2004 9:32:34 AM

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hupjack wrote:
> So I've got a nice big HD in an external USB2.0/Firewire Combo Case,
> and I want to use it with BOTH my Mac and PC. The Mac is running the
> latest 10.3.x, and the PC is totally windows updated (XP SP2 + hotfixes).
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the only format that will work cross
> platform without any additional software is FAT32. Having plugged
> the drive into my PC, I was shocked to see in Admin Tools - Disk
> Management, only one option in the partition / format wizard. NTFS
> or NTFS!
> Knowing full well that Microsoft hadn't eliminated support for FAT32,
> I opened a command window and typed format /? and sure enough, right
> there was FS: (file system switch)
>
> So what's the deal! MS decided they wanted to make it difficult to
> format drives in something other than NTFS? The Admin Tools is NOT
> the place to be hiding options from power users! What is this big
> brother garbage?
> OR.. (and this could be my bad here).... am I wrong and FAT32
> normally is an available option in the GUI? I mean during XP install
> from the Bootable XP disk you get the choice of FAT32 or NTFS. Is
> Fat32 no longer an option once you've made your system disk NTFS? Is
> FAT32 not an option because my drive is on USB and not directly
> sitting on the IDE ribbon? Is the 120GB drive too big for FAT32, and
> the Admin Tool knew something that the command window didn't?

A little self-research would have answered all of your questions.
FAT32 is still supported but Windows XP will only format up to 32GB
partitions with it.
In order to format a larger partition FAT32, you must use some other method.
One such method to be considered could be:
http://www.mager.org/mkdosfs/

You macintosh can do it, luckily you have OSX 10.3, so you shouldn't run
into any problems... (you didn't know your Macinstosh could format FAT32?!)
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2004072411...

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Anonymous
December 7, 2004 2:05:58 PM

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Thanks ya'all for the responses. I did do research, I just posted a
bit of a gripe at the same time. Shortly after posting, I found the
32GB Win2K/XP formatting limit in the knowledge base.

I also know that my Mac can format in Fat32, though it took me some
time to figure out that MS-Dos Format was identical to FAT32.

Frankly I find it absurd that my Mac can prepare the drive with the
most broadly used PC format more flexibly than my flagship windows XP
machine. It appears that MS made the decision to minimize Fat32
formatting support in WinXP. Why on earth should I have to resort to a
1.44 MB floppy disk, when I'm sitting here booted from the all powerful
Windows XP?!? Talk about lousy backwards compatibility. I feel I
shouldn't have to break out that windows 98 boot disk for something
like this. I've been very happy with Win XP, but this is absurd.
Anonymous
December 7, 2004 4:35:34 PM

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Ethan Lipman wrote:
> Thanks ya'all for the responses. I did do research, I just posted a
> bit of a gripe at the same time. Shortly after posting, I found the
> 32GB Win2K/XP formatting limit in the knowledge base.
>
> I also know that my Mac can format in Fat32, though it took me some
> time to figure out that MS-Dos Format was identical to FAT32.
>
> Frankly I find it absurd that my Mac can prepare the drive with the
> most broadly used PC format more flexibly than my flagship windows XP
> machine. It appears that MS made the decision to minimize Fat32
> formatting support in WinXP. Why on earth should I have to resort to
> a
> 1.44 MB floppy disk, when I'm sitting here booted from the all
> powerful Windows XP?!? Talk about lousy backwards compatibility.
> I feel I shouldn't have to break out that windows 98 boot disk for
> something like this. I've been very happy with Win XP, but this is
> absurd.

Format larger than 32GB FAT32 within Windows XP with this utility:
http://www.mager.org/mkdosfs/

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getting into before you jump in with both feet.
Anonymous
December 7, 2004 7:34:46 PM

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XP will refuse to format a partition larger than 32 Gig as FAT32, but it
will happily use such a partition, if you format it without XP.

If you have a MAC, can that do it?

Any PC running 98 or ME, with USB should be able to do it. However, I am
usure whether 98 or ME can handle a really large hard drive (> 127 Gig),
since XP (original) could not handle that.

Or, try a non-Microsoft solution: Partition Magic or similar partitioning
tool.

"hupjack" <hupjack_nospamtoday_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:quednYsCj7qN3yjcRVn-iA@comcast.com...
> So I've got a nice big HD in an external USB2.0/Firewire Combo Case, and I
> want to use it with BOTH my Mac and PC. The Mac is running the latest
> 10.3.x, and the PC is totally windows updated (XP SP2 + hotfixes).
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the only format that will work cross platform
> without any additional software is FAT32. Having plugged the drive into
> my PC, I was shocked to see in Admin Tools - Disk Management, only one
> option in the partition / format wizard. NTFS or NTFS!
>
> Knowing full well that Microsoft hadn't eliminated support for FAT32, I
> opened a command window and typed format /? and sure enough, right there
> was FS: (file system switch)
>
> So what's the deal! MS decided they wanted to make it difficult to format
> drives in something other than NTFS? The Admin Tools is NOT the place to
> be hiding options from power users! What is this big brother garbage?
>
> OR.. (and this could be my bad here).... am I wrong and FAT32 normally
> is an available option in the GUI? I mean during XP install from the
> Bootable XP disk you get the choice of FAT32 or NTFS. Is Fat32 no longer
> an option once you've made your system disk NTFS? Is FAT32 not an option
> because my drive is on USB and not directly sitting on the IDE ribbon? Is
> the 120GB drive too big for FAT32, and the Admin Tool knew something that
> the command window didn't?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ethan
>
>
>
> --
> To e-mail me, replace "_nospamtoday_" with the "@" symbol when replying to
> my address.
>
Anonymous
December 7, 2004 7:38:42 PM

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(Shenan responding to a query as to how to create FAT32 partitions greater
than 32 GB)...

"Shenan Stanley" <news_helper@hushmail.com> wrote in message
news:eWlCtPJ3EHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

> Format larger than 32GB FAT32 within Windows XP with this utility:
> http://www.mager.org/mkdosfs/
>
> --
> <- Shenan Stanley->

Shenan:
Many thanks for bringing this program to my attention. It's a Godsend and
one that we've been searching for for some time. Its crucial advantage is
the ability to create and format partitions greater than 32 GB on USB
external hard drives and to do so (in effect) within the XP environment -
something that we've never been able to do until now with this program.
Thanks again.
Art
December 7, 2004 8:49:50 PM

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You could just yank the drive and install it as a slave in your pc, boot
from a dos disk and format.

"hupjack" <hupjack_nospamtoday_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:quednYsCj7qN3yjcRVn-iA@comcast.com...
So I've got a nice big HD in an external USB2.0/Firewire Combo Case, and I
want to use it with BOTH my Mac and PC. The Mac is running the latest
10.3.x, and the PC is totally windows updated (XP SP2 + hotfixes).

To the best of my knowledge, the only format that will work cross platform
without any additional software is FAT32. Having plugged the drive into my
PC, I was shocked to see in Admin Tools - Disk Management, only one option
in the partition / format wizard. NTFS or NTFS!

Knowing full well that Microsoft hadn't eliminated support for FAT32, I
opened a command window and typed format /? and sure enough, right there was
FS: (file system switch)

So what's the deal! MS decided they wanted to make it difficult to format
drives in something other than NTFS? The Admin Tools is NOT the place to be
hiding options from power users! What is this big brother garbage?

OR.. (and this could be my bad here).... am I wrong and FAT32 normally is
an available option in the GUI? I mean during XP install from the Bootable
XP disk you get the choice of FAT32 or NTFS. Is Fat32 no longer an option
once you've made your system disk NTFS? Is FAT32 not an option because my
drive is on USB and not directly sitting on the IDE ribbon? Is the 120GB
drive too big for FAT32, and the Admin Tool knew something that the command
window didn't?

Thanks in advance,
Ethan



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Anonymous
December 7, 2004 11:03:55 PM

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I think it's wise for Microsoft to limit the FAT32 with Win XP.
NTFS is really a better formatting system then FAT32

"Ethan Lipman" <ethan.lipman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1102446358.043237.231820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks ya'all for the responses. I did do research, I just posted a
> bit of a gripe at the same time. Shortly after posting, I found the
> 32GB Win2K/XP formatting limit in the knowledge base.
>
> I also know that my Mac can format in Fat32, though it took me some
> time to figure out that MS-Dos Format was identical to FAT32.
>
> Frankly I find it absurd that my Mac can prepare the drive with the
> most broadly used PC format more flexibly than my flagship windows XP
> machine. It appears that MS made the decision to minimize Fat32
> formatting support in WinXP. Why on earth should I have to resort to a
> 1.44 MB floppy disk, when I'm sitting here booted from the all powerful
> Windows XP?!? Talk about lousy backwards compatibility. I feel I
> shouldn't have to break out that windows 98 boot disk for something
> like this. I've been very happy with Win XP, but this is absurd.
>
>
December 8, 2004 5:29:22 AM

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"Tod" <no_spam_me@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I think it's wise for Microsoft to limit the FAT32 with Win XP.
NTFS is really a better formatting system then FAT32


Not when you want to use the external disk on a Mac. There is no logical
reason for Microsoft to put any such limitation on what a user wants to do
with his disk.
Anonymous
December 8, 2004 7:59:20 AM

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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 20:03:55 GMT, "Tod" <no_spam_me@comcast.net>

>I think it's wise for Microsoft to limit the FAT32 with Win XP.
>NTFS is really a better formatting system then FAT32

Pity the maintenance options are so poor. I'd rather have recoverable
data that I can virus-scan on a 120G FAT32, than a crater where a 120G
NTFS volume used to be, thanks.



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Anonymous
December 8, 2004 8:23:55 AM

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Microsoft did not force anyone to do anything.
Besides, why would Microsoft care about being more "Mac" compatible.
What is stopping Apple from adding NTFS support ?

"BR549" <nospam@BAM.com> wrote in message
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> "Tod" <no_spam_me@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:L0otd.624549$mD.358811@attbi_s02...
> I think it's wise for Microsoft to limit the FAT32 with Win XP.
> NTFS is really a better formatting system then FAT32
>
>
> Not when you want to use the external disk on a Mac. There is no logical
> reason for Microsoft to put any such limitation on what a user wants to do
> with his disk.
>
>
>
Anonymous
December 13, 2004 5:00:08 PM

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NTFS is not necessarily better, it is just that the cluster size limitations
of FAT32. A big HDD would have humongous cluster size. This
leads to slack loss.

"Tod" <no_spam_me@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>I think it's wise for Microsoft to limit the FAT32 with Win XP.
> NTFS is really a better formatting system then FAT32
>
> "Ethan Lipman" <ethan.lipman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1102446358.043237.231820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> Thanks ya'all for the responses. I did do research, I just posted a
>> bit of a gripe at the same time. Shortly after posting, I found the
>> 32GB Win2K/XP formatting limit in the knowledge base.
>>
>> I also know that my Mac can format in Fat32, though it took me some
>> time to figure out that MS-Dos Format was identical to FAT32.
>>
>> Frankly I find it absurd that my Mac can prepare the drive with the
>> most broadly used PC format more flexibly than my flagship windows XP
>> machine. It appears that MS made the decision to minimize Fat32
>> formatting support in WinXP. Why on earth should I have to resort to a
>> 1.44 MB floppy disk, when I'm sitting here booted from the all powerful
>> Windows XP?!? Talk about lousy backwards compatibility. I feel I
>> shouldn't have to break out that windows 98 boot disk for something
>> like this. I've been very happy with Win XP, but this is absurd.
>>
>>
>
>
>
Anonymous
December 14, 2004 1:23:43 PM

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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:00:08 -0500, "BBUNNY" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote:

>NTFS is not necessarily better

Big question that, as summed up here...

http://cquirke.mvps.org/ntfs.htm

>it is just that the cluster size limitations of FAT32.
>A big HDD would have humongous cluster size.
>This leads to slack loss.

This is true, but easily mitigated through intelligent partitioning
(that also brings other benefits).

The capacity loss is IMO not that big a deal, but the performance hit
of transferring a full cluster for every small file processed may be.

What small files are you likely to access often? Temp, TIF and bits
of system code, mostly. By locating those in a 4k-cluster FAT32 C: of
no more than 8G, you can have that benefit on a 200G HD.

The big joy with this is whenever you have to wait for C: to be
checked after a bad exit. Only 8G, rather than 200G, to check.



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September 17, 2010 2:39:39 PM

Hi everyone. I know it's old news, but for what it's worth.. I came across this thread cause I bought the Thermaltake BlacX SE dock and was having the same problem. I took it home, formatted it with Disk Utility to MS-DOS on my Powerbook G4 laptop and now it seems to work fine on OS X, Windows XP and Windows 7.
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October 8, 2011 4:05:38 AM

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