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March 23, 2010 10:34:04 PM

After looking at various articles I am trying to come up with a new machine

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APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Next week or 2 BUDGET RANGE: (~1000)

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (gaming, ripping DVDs to mp4, surfing the internet, watching movies)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: (e.g.: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type (e.g.: I would like to use an AMD CPU & Gigabyte MB, ATX case ATI graphics

OVERCLOCKING: Yes / Maybe

CROSSFIRE: Maybe Later

MONITOR RESOLUTION: Not sure (1900x1080??) The monitor goes up to 2048x1152 (Monitor is 23" Dell SP2309W),

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I would like a quiet PC. Primary gaming is Fallout3 and DDO (Dungeons and Dragons Online)

So Far I have come up with the following list of parts:



CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
$109.99

COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper SGC-6000-KXN1-GP Black Steel, ABS Plastic, Mesh bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$129.99

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
$9.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
$105.99

GIGABYTE GA-MA790GPT-UD3H AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
$114.99

AMD Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition Heka 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Processor Model HDZ720WFK3DGI
$104.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5
$74.99

Obviously I grabbed a bit from the $750 system builder marathon article. My current total is about 650 without graphics card, cpu cooler, and some fans.

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A couple questions. What is a good cooler, one that isn't too loud. One that should install easily enough, and one that doesn't come with the wrong brackets (was reading some reviews). I am probably missing a couple fans also.

My thought behind the 720 is I could possibly unlock the 4th core, and I read that it was overclockable.

I obviously haven't picked the graphics card yet.
My tendency now is to get one card that will meet my current needs, and a year or two down the road when its price nosedives, go crossfire.
Something up to $200?

I think 750W is enough for the PSU.

My intention is to run XP64 on it, because I currently run it with no issues. I have one theory, which maybe I should be disabused of, that newer MS OS = more DRM lockdown, and you should always wait a few years after the release of a new MS OS

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March 23, 2010 11:50:06 PM

Recommendations:
  • HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - $90
  • RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM - Retail - $115
  • GPU: XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail - $170
  • HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail - $35

    Comments:
  • The hard drive and RAM I've listed are faster than what you have listed and will provide better performance!!
  • The GPU is pretty much the best you can get under $200. For your resolution, you would be better off spending more on your GPU and move up to a 5830 at min but would be better off with a 5850 or higher
  • The heat sink is one of the best heat sinks you can buy and it by far the best bang for the buck... IMO
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    March 24, 2010 12:33:52 AM

    Consider the Corsair HX-850 PSU for future mods and adds (SLI/Crossfire) - the HX series is modular and you will get better cable management.
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    March 24, 2010 1:15:07 AM

    Thanks for the responses. I have been considering getting a 5850, err slight budget adjustment. I have no idea how to differentiate between the differing vendors for the card though (I'll go read on the other forums..)

    Part of me is saying wait a couple weeks, maybe see some ATI price reaction to Fermi pricing, but that might take longer...
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    March 24, 2010 1:32:26 AM

    Price drop by ATI will be based on what the "real" benchmarks for the new Nvidia cards are and how they compete with ATI. If they are equal or lower, ATI may be slow to react, since they still hold the top spot.
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    March 26, 2010 12:35:05 PM

    Question, in the cheap system builder marathon, and in a lot of other recommendations, people are recommending the following memory:

    G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM - Retail - $115

    that says 1600. however the MB specs on newegg say:

    DDR3 1666(O.C.)/1333/1066

    Why the difference? Also, someone was mentioning that in a review at newegg:

    Cons: Not really a con but when purchasing this board, the newegg site showed other people had bought DDR3 1600 RAM. After getting all my stuff for my build, I realized the RAM requirements for the board are 1666, 1333 and 1066. My fault buying what others had bought with this board. Get the 1333...
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    March 30, 2010 2:14:14 AM

    Ordered today:


    Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders

    COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long ... -

    GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

    AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGMBOX

    SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223C

    SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

    G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM

    Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

    CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ...

    COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper SGC-6000-KXN1-GP Black Steel, ABS Plastic, Mesh bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case -

    ARCTIC COOLING AF12Pro PWM 120mm Case Fan x2

    Scythe S-Flex SFF21G 120mm Case Fan

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    So that is the order, made today. 1185 with no graphics card yet. I will make do with the onboard for a month in hope I see some price drops on the ATI cards since the Fermi heat guns are now out. Or maybe I can get 1 free! Yeah right.

    I just checked to see what it would have cost from Directron, and came up with 1215.86. Had to substitute Patriot for the G-Skill memory, and the fans didn't exactly match either. Also it would have been another 102.24 for me in tax, since I live in Houston.

    I ordered a couple quieter fans, based on what a few people were saying about the stock ones, and sleeve bearing reliability. the scythe is for the CPU cooler.

    After reading some other posts on cases, part of me wishes I had gotten a Lancool 62 dragonforce, but oh well.
    I also blew the budget on the SSD for a performance boot drive.
    I decided not to dick around with core unlocking and went to the X4 955 and future proofed with the 890 chipset for USB 3.0/SATA 6G/sec
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    March 30, 2010 2:29:15 AM

    Solid build... (minus the fact you are using onboard until you can purchase a dedicated GPU)

    Your RAM choice is okay, you'll just have to manually set your timings, speed and voltage to make the RAM stable at manufacturer specifications.
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    March 30, 2010 4:13:15 AM

    tecmo34 said:
    Solid build... (minus the fact you are using onboard until you can purchase a dedicated GPU)

    Your RAM choice is okay, you'll just have to manually set your timings, speed and voltage to make the RAM stable at manufacturer specifications.


    Right. I remember seeing earlier that I would have to adjust the BIOS. I checked the reviews at NewEgg and found recommendations from
    an 890 owner:

    If you have an AMD board, set to 8-8-8-24 1T. Start out with 1.65 volts and work your way down until you find the lowest stable voltage and stick with it. Probably 1.5-1.65 volts at listed timings.
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    April 2, 2010 1:41:13 PM

    Best answer selected by Non-Euclidean.
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