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June 4, 2010 1:14:28 AM

I am currently looking to possibly upgrade mobo, cpu, and ram on my pc but my biggest concern is the cpu at the moment i was gonna go with ddr3 1600 ram and mobo just havent really decided yet due to now knowing which cpu i want to get. My use for this is mainly gaming. I like to play FPS games like COD series and i also play Warcraft and Sc2 atm. I will certainly be overclocking the cpu to.

Hardware i am currently working with on my current pc is

sata 500gb hd
Video: Gts 250 1gig mem
Memory would be ddr3 1600
power supply is ocz 600watt


These are the 4 chips i have been bouncing around trying to decide which would be the best for gaming and i do some video editing on the side for fun only. Read many reviews on these already and i just got to the point where benchmarks are just showing a mixed result so i would like some opinions on personal use or just an opinion in general.

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GH

AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz

Thanks for your time and if you have any suggestions on mobo and ram please post =) thanks again and im trying to stay within a 500-600 price for upgrade the lower the better i just want to get the best bang for my buck.

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June 4, 2010 1:37:15 AM

I would go for the Phenom II x4 965, it has the greatest bang for the buck. Until games are better threaded the x6 is not useless but is an extra hundred that isn't effective yet.
For mobos check out this article, its very recent
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-890fx-crosshair...
The only issue is that they only (i'm pretty sure) ati graphics cards.
Thats my 2 cents.
Hope this helped
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June 4, 2010 1:41:00 AM

psychotikcow said:
I am currently looking to possibly upgrade mobo, cpu, and ram on my pc but my biggest concern is the cpu at the moment i was gonna go with ddr3 1600 ram and mobo just havent really decided yet due to now knowing which cpu i want to get. My use for this is mainly gaming. I like to play FPS games like COD series and i also play Warcraft and Sc2 atm. I will certainly be overclocking the cpu to.

Hardware i am currently working with on my current pc is

sata 500gb hd
Video: Gts 250 1gig mem
Memory would be ddr3 1600
power supply is ocz 600watt


These are the 4 chips i have been bouncing around trying to decide which would be the best for gaming and i do some video editing on the side for fun only. Read many reviews on these already and i just got to the point where benchmarks are just showing a mixed result so i would like some opinions on personal use or just an opinion in general.

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GH

AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz

Thanks for your time and if you have any suggestions on mobo and ram please post =) thanks again and im trying to stay within a 500-600 price for upgrade the lower the better i just want to get the best bang for my buck.


Hmmm, i would say Phenom II x4 955 would fit you perfectly.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Only 0.2 GHz slower than the 965 (although that can be regain though minor overclocking) and it $20 cheaper. when comparing it against the 125W version of the 965. Now comparing it to the 140W version (the one you linked) then it's almost $25.

Only other cpu i would choose is the core i5 750. Although i doubt you'll notice a performance difference between Phenom ii x4 955 and core i5 750.

The other 2 (core i7 and phenom ii x6) is overkill for gaming, unless your playing AC2 or FSX that can use over 4 cores/threads.

Although if you want to save some money, i would just recommend getting DDR3 1333 MHz ram. from what i learn, majority of people cant tell the difference between them and unless you found a good deal on ddr3 1600 MHz, ddr3 1333 MHz is normally cheaper.


As for motherboards, is there any particular features you would like on it? USB 3.0, sata 6 gb/s, two(+) 2.0 PCI-e x16 slots, ect?
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June 4, 2010 2:09:56 AM

I would go for the Phenom II 955 for gaming since it's C3 revision just like the 125W 965. Make sure you look for MBOX(NOT IBOX as that is the older C2 revision) in the product model so that you get the newest revision.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... for the 955 C3 revision.

All the other processors would be overkill for gaming for quite some time. If you really wanted to spend some more for a little extra performance, I would recommend the i5 750. I would've recommended the 1055T, but I've seen benchmarks that show thuban doing worse then their quad core parts for some reason(except in well threaded games with 4+ threads).

What warmon said about memory. ;) 

June 4, 2010 2:59:38 AM

Really good input given about the chips thanks.

Mobo wise just looking for a one with good overclocking ability dont really care for the sata 6 or usb3 since i havent read anything yet that has shown them to be worth the money atm. but i just started researching last night. i was surprised to see such go towards the 955 chip i really liked what i was seeing with i5 750 but so many benchmarks really threw me off. its like a he said she said type of thing after a while.

here was the menory i was looking at also G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
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June 4, 2010 4:55:27 AM

psychotikcow said:
Really good input given about the chips thanks.

Mobo wise just looking for a one with good overclocking ability dont really care for the sata 6 or usb3 since i havent read anything yet that has shown them to be worth the money atm. but i just started researching last night. i was surprised to see such go towards the 955 chip i really liked what i was seeing with i5 750 but so many benchmarks really threw me off. its like a he said she said type of thing after a while.

here was the menory i was looking at also G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

The G.Skill memory would only be used for a core i7 930 or higher since it's triple channel. Phenom II and the core i5/i7 on 1156 socket uses dual channel memory. The core i5/i7 uses 1.65v memory or less while phenom II could use more voltage memory also.
Phenom II also seems to have a memory controller bottleneck that usually can only reach the 1333mhz speed, some could reach 1600 with luck. The 1333mhz speed shouldn't slow the comp down though.

I've heard that Biostar usually has good overclocking mobos. Could try this one out, it even has sata 6gb/s.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Here's an MSI board as well. Has usb 3.0 and sata 6gb, if you care for it ;)  .
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 4, 2010 1:39:54 PM

psychotikcow said:
Really good input given about the chips thanks.

Mobo wise just looking for a one with good overclocking ability dont really care for the sata 6 or usb3 since i havent read anything yet that has shown them to be worth the money atm. but i just started researching last night. i was surprised to see such go towards the 955 chip i really liked what i was seeing with i5 750 but so many benchmarks really threw me off. its like a he said she said type of thing after a while.

here was the menory i was looking at also G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600


Well, the main issues with benchmarks from all over the web is,

Different test setups between each review site, (the vary from very little difference to major differance)

Some people in review sites can be bias. (most sites & people are not like that but once in a while you find the one that is.)


What you have to do is look at the overall picture and compile the data together then just look at the averages for it. If the trend is going towards Amd phenom ii's cpus, then it will be the better cpu in performance and vis versa.

Overall a core i5 750 is probably the best gaming cpu atm, although that best maybe only a few frames above the next best which could be the Phenom II x4's.


Now keeping things low cost and still have good performance for you i say the 955 fits you very nicely.

As for ram, Thats a triple pack. so unless your going to be running single channel on AMD board or intel LGA 1156, i would recommend you get this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



As for motherboards, Well, there whats haserath showed you. (although a little bit expensive on the MSI board ;)  ) or,

ASUS M4N98TD EVO 139.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=1g8o5Sh3csqM5M8u&...


ASUS M4A78T-E $124.99 ($114.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate )

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=cf8IZzbU4m6GHKnW


Or if you want a cheap board with very little features,

ASUS M4A77TD $84.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=GRrtD7enpMkaVWV1&...


(yes i do have a preference for Asus when it comes for overclocking)


I would recommend the M4N98TD EVO due to the extra overclocking features (TurboV & Turbo Key), SLI , Express Gate (you checking the web quickly without going into windows), and it also has an easy to use core unlocking feature for AMD cpus (if you ever wanted a new cpu with disabled cores).

The unlocking feature "core unlocker" is has the possibility to turn an unused core in Phenom II x2's and 3's (with the possibilty of x4's in the future) and turn them into:

For X2's: turn it into an x3 or x4

For x3's turn them into x4

(future) x4's turn them into x5's or x6's

Now it doesn't guarantee you get a phenom ii x2 into a x4 but there always a chance.


If you need more options on MB's, just let us know.


Hope this helps so far. :hello: 
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