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March 25, 2010 2:05:06 PM

Hey all, after the great help i got from the community earlier, i wanted some further advice.

I'm using the site www.novatech.co.uk and want to put the following motherboard in my case:

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/Components/Mot...

However i would like some suggestions using the novatech website for some memory, cpu etc... in fact im not so sure what needs to go on my main board as my original design has changed quite a bit.

I have an atx tower with a psu, an intel 160gb ssd drive, a bfg 8800 ultra and a creative labs xfi pro with front panel, the chasis is a silver thermaltake armor chasis.

Can anyone suggest a list of components i need to but to complete the configuration? Also any guidance on assembly would be greatly appreciated. I've some people talking about themal grease for your cpu, is this really important?

Thanks to everyone who helps out.

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March 25, 2010 2:28:51 PM

You only need to buy thermal paste if you are going to be buying an aftermarket CPU cooler. Which you only do if you are going to be overclocking or you want your PC to be as quiet as possible. So you need to make a decision about this.
Do you have a budget for the rest of the components?
What power supply do you have?
From reading your post it looks like the only components you need the CPU, CPU cooler if you decide that and accompanying thermal paste, RAM (I must say that the tri-channel RAM on novatech is a lot more expensive than I've seen it elsewhere), DVD drive and possibly a backup data HDD.
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March 25, 2010 2:35:39 PM

Hey, thanks for the reply.

So the PSU i have is :

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/Components/Pow...

as for the rest of the hardware, about £700 to £1000 give or take, if you know of somewhere to get memory cheaper, but of the same quality and garuntee, please share.....

I was looking at getting a sansung blueray drive from the same site, as for backup hdd's, well i have 4 wd 250gb drives all sata attached which i can use.

Thanks again.
March 25, 2010 2:45:08 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: this week

BUDGET RANGE: 700 - 1000 GBP

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS, power supply corsair hx850w, intel 160 gb ssd

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Open to suggestions of sites which provide good service

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: London, England

PARTS PREFERENCES: would like an intel cpu i7 p920 or above, a gigabyte motherboard x58a ud7

OVERCLOCKING: NO

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes


ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I would like a quiet PC

March 25, 2010 2:51:58 PM

Ok, I half retract what I said. However I still believe that the choice of RAM is more competitive at the three sites I usually check: ebuyer.com, scan.co.uk and overclockers.co.uk. I've used the first two and been happy with them. However the deal on this is ridiculously good: Patriot Viper 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz (PVT36G1600LLK) (8-8-8-24) 1.65V £130

This is undoubtedly the cpu: i7-930 Retail £232 If you buy a heatsink for it, try and see if you can find an OEM version as it will save a bit and you probably won't have a use for the one that comes with the retail version.

They don't have the heatsink that I would recommend on novatech. Which is the Scythe Mugen 2. If it has Rev B in the name it just means that it has the bracket to attach it to 1156 motherboards, so get whichever one you can. This one is pretty good at keeping the CPU cool, for the quiet it has a PWM controlled fan, so that will help keep it quiet.
March 25, 2010 3:03:04 PM

Ok, not to sound silly, but can you dumb down the second and 3rd paragraphs a little, im kind of new to this, and i refuse to pay some guy a wad of money to upgrade my machine, when i can spend the extra cash on the machine.

SO go a little easy on me and explain the digits etc... also as i mentioned, im happy to use other sites too, ive used dabs and ebuyer in the past, so by all means
March 25, 2010 3:41:22 PM

Ok, I'll try. The CPU I linked is a retail version. Which means that it comes with a heatsink/CPU cooler and there will be thermal paste pre-applied to the part of heatsink that will make contact with the CPU. The OEM (original equipment manufacturer) version, is basically just the CPU, you have to buy your own CPU cooler and thermal paste. The advantage of buying an OEM version is that it costs a bit less for the CPU by itself and then if you buy a CPU cooler, you won't have the stock cooler just lying around not being used.

Your motherboard is socket 1366. Socket 1156 is the other type of Intel motherboard.
The Scythe Mugen 2 and Scythe Mugen 2 Rev. B are the same thing. The Rev B part refers to the package containing the clip that allows it to be attached to socket 1156 motherboards.
I was saying that it doesnt matter which one you get, ironically I was trying to make it simpler as some may be confused by one website saying Scythe Mugen 2 and another website saying Scythe Mugen 2 Rev B.

PWM (pulse-width modulation) means that the motherboard can control the speed at which fans spin. Obviously it speeds up if the temp(s) are getting a bit high. So quietens down when it is not needed.

For RAM you want the CAS Latency/Timings, referred to as a single number, such as 7, 8 or 9 or a series of numbers such as 8-8-8-24, to be as low as possible. 7 is as about as low as you're going to get on DDR3 RAM. It doesn't really matter if it's 1333mhz or 1600mhz, if you can get faster for not much more cost then brilliant. Also you want the voltage to 1.65V or lower, as higher can damage modern Intel CPUs.
March 25, 2010 5:26:18 PM

@Silvune, thanks for the information, it makes a lot more sense, so i guess my next request is a series of links for the items you're suggesting.

Also im curious as to why a Scythe Mugen 2, is this the best? Thinest perhaps? Would the stock cooler be acceptable or not?

I understood what you were saying about the memory and the fans. thanks for that.

I look forward to the links so i can finally get the parts and assemble.

Oh and one last question, the ram you linked which was really cheap, wouldn't it be better to go for a well know brand like corsair
March 25, 2010 5:34:57 PM

Stock cooler will be fine as long as you don't overclock.

Technically, there are a couple of CAS 6 kits out there, but they're a good deal more expensive than CAS 7.

Patriot may not be as big-name as Corsair (who is, really?), but they've been around for a while, and their products are perfectly fine.
March 25, 2010 6:37:13 PM

The Scythe Mugen 2 is a good combination of cheap and a good performer in both temperature and acoustics. So the stock would be perfectly fine, however I'm sure the Scythe is a step up in terms of being quiet.

And yea Patriot is perfectly fine, I wouldn't hesitate to use their memory if I was buying now, and especially if they were offering such competitive prices.
I'd get that RAM, you'll never find better RAM, even for £10 more.

Option 1 (overclockersuk and ebuyer):
Intel i7 930 OEM w/ Assassin's Creed II £230 - Retail version £235
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP...

Patriot Viper 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz (PVT36G1600LLK) 8-8-8-24 1.65V £130
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY...

Scythe Mugen 2 Rev. B £35.69
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158603

Either of these:
Arctic Silver 5 £7
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=AC...
Arctic Cooling MX-3 £7
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=TH...

Retail version, without Scythe Mugen Total: £365
OEM version, with Total: £402.69

Option 2 (just Ebuyer):
Intel I7 930 2.8GHZ 8MB Cache Retail £232.54
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/193596

Crucial 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 Ballistix Memory 8-8-8-24 1.65V £150
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/166998

Scythe Mugen 2 Rev. B £35.69
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158603

Arctic Cooling 5 3.5g
http://www.ebuyer.com/search?sort=pricelow&store=2&cat=...

Total without Scythe Mugen: £382.54
Total with: £418.23

This is one of the problems buying in the UK, it's bloody complicated if you want to get the best deal, especially when you take delivery charges into account. You'll have to see for yourself if option 1 is still cheaper when you add the delivery charge(s).
March 25, 2010 8:32:41 PM

Man, thats absolutely great, now i know you live in the uk, but where abouts, i only ask because i feel like i owe you a beer for all your help. Thanks again, oh and if you do live in my neck of the woods and would care to give me hand, please shout, id appreciate it a tonne, and im sure we can sort out a few more beers. Thanks again.
March 25, 2010 8:43:39 PM

Yea, I've been itching to do another build after my first one, chances are I'm not going to be doing another one for a few years, bit annoying eh. Anyway I live near the coast in mid Wales.
I take it you are thinking about replacing your graphics card? After it's done it'll be a pretty amazing machine.
March 25, 2010 8:54:46 PM

Well i live in Northwest London, shame... but maybe if you are ever in this neck of the woods, give me a shout and we'll go from there. If its alright by you i'll post on this thread when i get the components and if i get stuck you can give us a hand? Otherwise, if you'd like you're more than welcome to pop by over easter weekend, let me know. As for the graphics card, not yet, will probably update it in August
March 26, 2010 1:19:36 PM

Yes you could, altho I don't really think it's worth it.
March 26, 2010 1:39:16 PM

thats great, thanks, just placed my order now, so off we go, my ssd drive arrived today, the rest will arrive monday ready for a Friday build... it should be very very awesome.
March 26, 2010 1:42:38 PM

You can say that again!
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