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Upgrading for windows 7

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My pc seems to be struggling with Win 7, memory fairly maxed out and fans going nuts...

Any suggestions - I'm assuming memory first though quite what though.


PSU Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU
Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 2.40GHz
Abit IP35 Pro (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
BFG GeForce 8800 GTX OC 768MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express)
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 PC2-8500C5 1066MHz Dual Channel Kit


Any thoughts?

Reply to london_calling
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Having only 2GB of slow RAM is not helping ... everything else looks purdy good.

... Turn off drive indexing and look for a "Win7 Performance Tweaks" document, online ... VideoGuys.com had one for XP-Pro.

= Al =

Reply to Alvin Smith



The "FANS GOING NUTz" might be a clue, for techs more knowledgable than myself.

= Al =

Reply to Alvin Smith

If you're running 64-bit, get more RAM. (and I'm betting you are)

I'm pretty sure that's the fastest DDR2 RAM there is.

That is a pretty good computer, unless something is wrong hardware wise, but I don't know if it was running XP fine as is or whatever.

Reply to False_Dmitry_II

It was fine with XP, fine with everything really. Not sure if its a cooling thing but the memory needs upping anything, will see that if that's a problem.

Another 2 gig same spec? or can I upgrade it....?

Reply to london_calling

I'd like to know what exactly it is you're experiencing (what your doing when whatever it happening happens), because, I'm running Windows 7 Ultimate on a much lesser system (s939 X2-3800+/2 GB RAM) and I'm not seeing any issues... unless you're talking about gaming performance...

-Wolf sends

------------------------------ All Purpose System Specs: GA-H55M-S2V Intel CoreI5 760 8 Gig RAM NVidia Geforce 8800GTS-640 Windows 7
HTPC System Specs: ASRock 760GM-GS3 AMD Athlon II X2-240 G.Skill 4 GB (2x2GB) Radeon HD4670 Ceton InfiniTV4 TV Tuner
Reply to Wolfshadw

No gaming as yet... it's just general use, especially when playing media or streaming, free memory is pretty much down to 0 so I can only assume that the main problem...

Unless there is something other stuff running in the background?

Reply to london_calling

Well, Our Sire, ... Please note that, while win7 can run on ATOM w/2GB, you surely will not win any footrace with such a setup. Win7 (especially 64) LOVES all the RAM you can show it. Win7 actually "does stuff" w/that RAM.

I am even fairly certain that it is an officially published "Recommended System" spec, for all win7, even if not the "Min Sys Spec".

= So, ... do that and, call us in the morning (because everything else is and was OK, both for XP and 7 ... your spec is good ... save the AMOUNT of your RAM.


= Cheerie-oh! =

Reply to Alvin Smith

noted...

is 4 going to be enough..?

Reply to london_calling

ADD-itionally ... I will betcha (wager) that there are ways (methods) for turning off some of the superfluous bells and whistles that can slow 7 down.

Reply to Alvin Smith

london_calling wrote :

noted...

is 4 going to be enough..?




Oh, yes! . . . 4GB is "Good-n-Plenty ! ".

= Al =

Reply to Alvin Smith

Yeah, windows 7 likes to load things into ram that aren't running just so it can appear faster. You have to open task manager, go to the performance tab, then look at resource monitor. It will tell you how much is actually being used by what.

And yeah, just adding more of the same should do fine.

Reply to False_Dmitry_II

More of the same ... best investment.

Also what he said.

Reply to Alvin Smith

Pretty sure you might have some minor slots open ... You may also wish to consider adding USB3 &/or eSATA-III (or port combo card) at some point. Available now.

= Al =


Message edited by Alvin Smith on 03-27-2010 at 01:59:45 AM
Reply to Alvin Smith

Would still like to know what's happening on the system. I'm running Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit on 2GB of RAM and not having any issues:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/Wolfshadw/desktop.jpg

This with a full virus scan and a movie streaming from my network at the same time. Still sitting at 1.18GB of RAM usage. Kicking off a YouTube stream still only brings me up to 1.22 GB RAM usage. Something is definitely not right with the OPs system.

-Wolf sends

------------------------------ All Purpose System Specs: GA-H55M-S2V Intel CoreI5 760 8 Gig RAM NVidia Geforce 8800GTS-640 Windows 7
HTPC System Specs: ASRock 760GM-GS3 AMD Athlon II X2-240 G.Skill 4 GB (2x2GB) Radeon HD4670 Ceton InfiniTV4 TV Tuner
Reply to Wolfshadw

And just for reference:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/Wolfshadw/images2.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/Wolfshadw/image1-1.jpg

------------------------------ All Purpose System Specs: GA-H55M-S2V Intel CoreI5 760 8 Gig RAM NVidia Geforce 8800GTS-640 Windows 7
HTPC System Specs: ASRock 760GM-GS3 AMD Athlon II X2-240 G.Skill 4 GB (2x2GB) Radeon HD4670 Ceton InfiniTV4 TV Tuner
Reply to Wolfshadw

Well ... Can't argue with real life ... I'd give wolf a good listen and see if he can help you out. Could be you won't need any more RAM at all .. (sure wouldn't hurt) ...

... Maybe he can discover the root cause and that *MAY NOT * be all about RAM ... Netbooks do it ... you *should* be able to. (after all that).

= Al =

Reply to Alvin Smith

Netbooks aren't 64-bit.

But a problem is always possible.

I didn't have any problems with the 64-bit RC, except for gaming, which did suffer.

Reply to False_Dmitry_II

Well, if Wolfie has any more to say about what to try ... I'd have a listen. I really don't care *what* he's doing if it does not fix the OPs issue, tho.


= Al =

Reply to Alvin Smith

Cheers

here's the desktop running a movie, steaming some tv and a few windows open...

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/pho [...] directlink


Gotta be the memory?

Reply to london_calling

Even trying to duplicate London's system usage, I could only get my memory usage up to 1.22 GB. I installed VLC and copied a vob file from my network to my local system. Next I started a movie stream from Netflix to simulate streaming London's streaming from TVCatchup. I also tried a stream from HULU for comparison. Since the provided image did not show the task bar, I couldn't see what else might be running. The only other app I have running is Mozilla Thunderbird.

London - If you haven't run any type of anti-spyware/malware program recently, that's the first thing I'd do. Just make sure your system isn't doing anything it's not supposed to be doing. Programs I'd recommend are:

Housecall from TrendMicro
Ad-Aware from Lavasoft
Spybot: Search and Destroy from Safer Networking
Malwarebytes from Malwarebytes.org

If you haven't run any of these (all are free), I'd try at least two.

Next reboot your system. When it comes back up and before you start any programs, check your memory usage. On a fresh boot, my systems starts out at 1.08GB of RAM used. Included in my startup are:

DynDNS
ATI Catalyst Control Center
MagicJack
AVG Free

If your system reports clean (no spy/mal-ware, no virus/trojan) and immediately after reboot your system still reports well over 1GB of RAM in use, then I'd ask what programs you have running in your startup.

It may very well be that the answer to your issue *IS* buy more ram. As Alvin says, it won't hurt, but me being a "soon to be out of work techie", my first answer can't be "throw money at it".

So please run the scans, reboot your system and report back your memory usage after reboot and what programs are starting at boot time.

-Wolf sends

Edit:

On a side note, there are significant differences between London's system and mine. Alvin and Dmitry: If either of you have systems closer to the specs of London's (Windows 7 64 bit/Quad-Core/hefty graphics card) could you also reboot your systems (mine's offline at the moment) and report back memory usage and start up applications? Thanks!


Message edited by Wolfshadw on 03-27-2010 at 02:37:11 PM
------------------------------ All Purpose System Specs: GA-H55M-S2V Intel CoreI5 760 8 Gig RAM NVidia Geforce 8800GTS-640 Windows 7
HTPC System Specs: ASRock 760GM-GS3 AMD Athlon II X2-240 G.Skill 4 GB (2x2GB) Radeon HD4670 Ceton InfiniTV4 TV Tuner
Reply to Wolfshadw

Cool

I've run both ad aware and spybot

Heres the task manger info after start up... something is running that shouldn't be...

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/sfiwc2Zzf-RlxEGwrbbm9w?authkey=Gv1sRgCJqZssP_tbaP0AE&feat=directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/56QkH_9tJzR8MRA-Rlwk3w?authkey=Gv1sRgCJqZssP_tbaP0AE&feat=directlink

Reply to london_calling

Looking at your processes, most of them are not running on my system:

GoogleTalk
TeaTimer
iType
MozyBackup
Mindmanager Reminder
iTunes manager

All non-essential unless you actually use these programs. If you know what each of these are and actually use them, then by all means, get more ram. If you don't know what they are and never use them, uninstall them from control panel add/remove programs. Then see if your system is more responsive.

-Wolf sends

------------------------------ All Purpose System Specs: GA-H55M-S2V Intel CoreI5 760 8 Gig RAM NVidia Geforce 8800GTS-640 Windows 7
HTPC System Specs: ASRock 760GM-GS3 AMD Athlon II X2-240 G.Skill 4 GB (2x2GB) Radeon HD4670 Ceton InfiniTV4 TV Tuner
Reply to Wolfshadw

I'm on my laptop at the moment, but it booted with 1.13 gigs being used.

It's a dual core C2D with a 9800M GTS graphics card.

AVG and x-mouse button control.

I really hate things that run in background and don't need to. So nothing ever does on my computers.

Reply to False_Dmitry_II

Actually with everything disabled via msconfig wotnot I'm at 1.12Gb used...

Reply to london_calling

So if you're comfortable not having those programs starting at boot, I'd say you're good to go. Even with the stream, virus scan, and video playback running, it only added 140K memory usage.

On the other hand, you could add two more gig of RAM for about $65 and then it wouldn't matter. That's up to you, though.

-Wolf sends

------------------------------ All Purpose System Specs: GA-H55M-S2V Intel CoreI5 760 8 Gig RAM NVidia Geforce 8800GTS-640 Windows 7
HTPC System Specs: ASRock 760GM-GS3 AMD Athlon II X2-240 G.Skill 4 GB (2x2GB) Radeon HD4670 Ceton InfiniTV4 TV Tuner
Reply to Wolfshadw

False_Dmitry_II wrote :

Netbooks aren't 64-bit.

But a problem is always possible.

I didn't have any problems with the 64-bit RC, except for gaming, which did suffer.




I'm pretty sure all ATOMs have 64 bit Support ... all the recent ones . . . N320+


= Al =

Reply to Alvin Smith

Cheers

I will do both...

Can anyone confirm if this is compatible with my motherboard (IP35pro):
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI [...] K:MEWAX:IT

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