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March 28, 2010 7:32:21 PM

I am planning to build a new pc currently running an

AMD 64X2 5600+
4GBDDR2 800
1X Palit GTX285 2GB
2 x sata hotswap bays
1tb wd 3.0gbs OS drive
Antec 1200 Case
apower 1200w Platinum psu

The gfx card, case, psu and hot swap bays will be used in the new system.

Im basically looking for the best noticable gaming performance i can get with adding a second gtx285. Looking at running a 42" Plasma for games as well as my current 22" Asus monitor for general surfing the net sorting files ect.

Is it worth upgrading to ddr3 is there noticable performance difference with gaming and multitasking

Again in choosing cpu after noticable difference. amd , intel, dual cores or quads. Ive ran amds for years but willing to switch if ill notice the difference.

Also for my OS hard drive wats the best option performance wise without going into ssd extreme prices

Willing to spend extra cash for noticable performance.




APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: over the next couple of months BUDGET RANGE: 600-1200

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, Surfing the net, Multitasking (unraring files surfing the net watching vids at the same time)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Case, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, PSU

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS:Watever is cheapest

PARTS PREFERENCES: best for price

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI : Yes

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Suggestion for a good cpu heatsink for overclocking and any other additional cooling worth getting

Im in Australia so prices here can be quite over inflated

More about : aussie

March 29, 2010 4:59:12 AM


I think you will be very pleased with what AMD has to offer.

I think you will want to match that gpu as closely (in every way) as you possibly can ... even to go looking for exact same make/model/rev ... just for simpatico synchapation ... I don't think it has to be a perfect match but think the higher will step in pace with the slower.

Plenty of experts around who know more than I about "SLI UPgrades" ...

... Some folks will sell you on a "fastest 2-core" concept but I say that it is a platform upgrade and future games will be seeking more cores.

Because we (in USA) can't really guage your prices and availability, ... we can only speak in general terms.

That 285 is certainly still viable and now is the perfect time to find a mate, for it.

= Alvin =
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March 29, 2010 9:25:02 AM

Yea i understand those in the USA cant guage prices for what ill pay but general terms are fine i can look for AU prices.

The main issue from what i have read about SLI and AMD is the lack of support for triple channel ddr3. So would be interested on anyones advice on whether or not i will see any real performance increase from ddr3 to ddr2.

I know myself going from a single core athlon to a AM2X64 there was a massive difference in performance. Generally i would assume nowadays the GPU does most of the work for gaming so id probably be more interested in a quad core than a top end dual.

In Regards to the graphics can i match a 1gb card with the 2gb one i already have as Palit make the same card in the two sizes the 2gb is hard to get a hold of but the 1gb is everywhere. can pick one up for $450
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March 29, 2010 9:36:46 AM

yeah ... the 1GB gpu will work ... just fine.

I don't know what you read but it was wrong.

You just want a GIGABYTE or ASUS mobo with 790 or 890 chipset ... llook for boards with USB3 and SATA-III (6.0Gb/sec) ports.

Get kingston value ram 2X2GB 1333 (CAS9) DDR3 Dual Channel Kit.
That is nice, slow, loose timing ... no worries.

= Alvin =
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March 29, 2010 5:26:42 PM

I would try and sell your 2 gb 285 and get a 5970 if you are going to have room in the case (depending on how overpriced it is in Australia).
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March 29, 2010 6:13:26 PM

I would not sell the 285 ... it is a rocket and will do fine ... you should be able to pick up a mate for a discount, in a week or two, as the new nVidia cards hit channel on April 12th (or so) ... You are in the Cat-Bird's Seat (regarding market cycles) and can bonus your rig, big-time, ....

While you are waiting for that price drop (a fortnight), you can research the game and build forums (in your region) to see exactly how the SLI augment should best occur and get your source lined up ... Also research power requirements and be sure you have the proper PCIe PWR connectors for both cards ...

... If you end up buying PSU ... look for single rail ... 680W~950W should be about right with 750 Watts Nominal.

= Al =
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March 30, 2010 4:11:50 AM

The 5970 is $1000-900 i can get a 2nd gtx285 for $600-400 so i think im gonna stick with the nvidia card. The only AMD boards i can find with SLI support dont support sata III or 3 channel ddr3

msi NF980-G65
Asus M4N98TD EVO

pretty much all i could find neither of which i can buy here
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March 30, 2010 5:17:34 AM

Man !
I thot you Aussies were on "The Pacific Rim" and just a short ICBMs lob from the PRC and Malasia And Singapore and all that. I'm just surprised that OzLand can't get better, cheaper, sooner than USA ... can't quite grok that.

= Al =
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March 30, 2010 5:21:56 AM

yea it is ridiculous everything prices here are over inflated for no reason and we seem to be the last to get everything. Lookin like i mite have to go the intel direction.
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March 30, 2010 5:28:49 AM

that just ain't right! You should have a straight shot to HK !

Maybe some USA Sailor has access to those "duty free" catalogues ... ooops ... would not be legal.

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March 30, 2010 5:38:19 AM

How open is your trade with NZ ?
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March 31, 2010 11:38:47 AM

duty free would be nice but dont think its gonna happen
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March 31, 2010 3:07:43 PM

Well ... If you are going with INTEL ... get an i5-750 and an ASUS or GIGABYTE Socket 1156 mobo. The RAM should be exactly the same. So should everything else but the heat-sink-fan cooler ... which *can* also be the same (hyper-212).

= Al =
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March 31, 2010 3:42:10 PM

I can get the i5 750 for $239 good choice for overclocking from the description.

Gigabyte has GA-P55A-UD7 $376
Asus has P7P55D-E PREMIUM $375
Maximus III Formula $399
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March 31, 2010 10:11:00 PM

Given that the Gigabyte costs as much as the ASUS, I would go with the ASUS.

I didn't really look at the Gigabyte specs but I did verify that the ASUS does 8x8-SLI and has SATA-III ports. ... and ... yup USB3.0 ... I like the ASUS.

Look for some (2x2GB)DDR3 1600-CAS7 Dual Channel Kit (G.Skill RipJaws or like).

See if you can find a CoolerMaster Hyper-212 HSF

Have no eye deer what that maximus formula is about.

= Al =
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April 1, 2010 2:13:59 PM

well the gigabyte has usb3 and sata support
plus 16x16 SLI

didnt realise the asus was only 8x8
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April 1, 2010 4:41:22 PM

Well, ... I'm not a big SLI-Gamer guy but I'm pretty sure that there are only 32 PCIe lanes, total. I don't see how 16x16 is possible, without using ALL bus bandwidth.

I thot is was either 16X4 or 8x8 ... Send me a link or a model # so I can set myself straight.

= Al =
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April 2, 2010 6:34:37 PM

yeah ... you can do just about anything ... just not at the same time.

PCIe 3.0 ! ! !

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April 5, 2010 6:23:56 AM

Paid for the i5 750 $228
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April 5, 2010 6:38:03 AM

that will certainly "doo ya" .

... A good cooler is what that chip wants ... a good cooler and an EZ-OC mobo and some 2x2GB of DDR3 1600 CAS7 RAM !

It was "made for this" ... or ... would be fool-hardy not to OC to the Max (on Air).

= Al =
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April 5, 2010 8:26:06 AM

yea need do a bit of research for a good cooler dont mind paying xtra for a cooler as i will be overclocking to the max
can get the Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme for $90 pretty cheap
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April 5, 2010 12:20:15 PM


The Coolermaster Hyper 212 is VERY good for socket 1156 and it stays out of the way of RAM heat spreaders.

... don't know if you can get them, tho.
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April 6, 2010 8:49:29 PM

how bout these for ram
$300
Corsair CMT4GX3M2A1600C7 4GB (2x XMS3 2GB) PC-12800 (1600MHz) XMS DDR3 RAM, 2x240-pin DIMMs, Non ECC Unbuffered, 7-7-7-20, Matched Dominator GT with DHX+ Technology and AirFan

an extra $40 for cas6
NEW! Corsair 4GB (2 x XMS3 2GB) PC-12800 (1600MHz) XMP, DDR3 DOMINATOR GT+ DHX + AirFan, Core i7,i5, i3, 2x240 DIMMs, 6-6-6-20, with Connector
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April 6, 2010 11:57:30 PM

wirth87 said:
how bout these for ram
$300
Corsair CMT4GX3M2A1600C7 4GB (2x XMS3 2GB) PC-12800 (1600MHz) XMS DDR3 RAM, 2x240-pin DIMMs, Non ECC Unbuffered, 7-7-7-20, Matched Dominator GT with DHX+ Technology and AirFan

an extra $40 for cas6
NEW! Corsair 4GB (2 x XMS3 2GB) PC-12800 (1600MHz) XMP, DDR3 DOMINATOR GT+ DHX + AirFan, Core i7,i5, i3, 2x240 DIMMs, 6-6-6-20, with Connector



First . . . know that I am *NOT* an OC expert ... SO ... most of what I do know is by (lots) of osmosis, hanging out, here ... just this year.

But I have been a pro-support-tech for 30+ years ... so ...

I can only say that ... the "tighter" your RAM timings get ... The less likely things will go smoothly.

I KNOW, for a fact, that 1600@C7 will *usually* (~90%) hummm, without RMA ...

I also know that CAS6 is tighter (by over 12%?) than CAS7 ...

While the mobo you choose may be rated up to 2000(OC), the actual milage any individual may get *varies* ... just as with CPU overclocking.

So my *Intuition* is telling me to advise you to go with the 1600@CAS7 ... save $40 ... and have *more stability* and just a wee bit more lax "timing envelope".

= Sounds pretty good, for total BS, no? =

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April 7, 2010 12:20:39 AM


. . . But, hey, ... What am I saying ?? !

. . . Even if you DID buy the CAS6 ... And, Even if it FAILED to run @CAS6 ...

... You could still run it at CAS7 or even at 1333CAS9 !!

. . . Question is . . . Is it really worth the forty clams ?? . . .

. . . I still say , "no". . . . Diminishing returns! . . . Whether you are in this for pleasure or for winning or for big money tourney stakes . . . how can you wisely spend your monies to make this experience ... "better" ? ?

I say a larger display and a better (Cyborg R.A.T.S.7) gaming mouse and a better KB (better for YOU) is gonna make a much bigger difference in your winning or in your "total satisfaction" ... and ... for more adult endeavors ... A bigger display is a definite plus !

Happiness is what you want ... Satisfaction ! . . . CAS6? . . . Bahh! . . . Maybe after you tweak and max EVERYTHING else.

= Al =
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April 7, 2010 12:39:22 AM


Oh, yeah ... That is why the RipJaws Kits say "Specifically Designed for INTEL mobos".

... You are correct !
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April 7, 2010 12:43:21 AM

Yup .. read the specs on this kit ... It is most often recommended for Intel P55 OC

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Brand G.SKILL
Series Ripjaws Series
Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM
Type 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM
Tech Spec
Capacity 4GB (2 x 2GB)
Speed DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Cas Latency 7
Timing 7-8-7-24-2N
Voltage 1.65V
ECC No
Buffered/Registered Unbuffered
Multi-channel Kit Dual Channel Kit
Heat Spreader Yes
Features Specifically Designed to compatible with Intel Core i5 and Core i7 for Intel P55 motherboard
Manufacturer Warranty
Parts Lifetime limited
Labor Lifetime limited

Introduction
Welcome to a new level of PC performance with G.SKILL Ripjaws Series memory. Your computer will never be the same with 4GB of high-density DDR3 1600 SDRAM spread over two DIMMs. Eliminate data bottlenecks by taking advantage of multi-channel technology and multiplying your memory bandwidth. Ripjaws Series memory is designed specifically to complement Core i7 processors and the X58 Express Chipset. Optimized for speed, low latency and high stability, Ripjaws Series memory is the perfect solution to faster programs and quicker load times.

Heat management is always important for any PC builder and enthusiast. G.SKILL understands this concern, which is why each Ripjaws Series DIMM comes with a stylish comb-like design heat-spreader, which dissipates heat by exposing it to cool air over a greater surface area and will look great in any case. These DIMMs also operate at a cool 1.6V for better internal temperatures and overclocking versatility. Upgrade your PC with raw power and own G.SKILL Ripjaws Series memory today!


Highlights
G.Skill DDR3 SDRAM
Developed to support new high-performance platforms, the G.Skill DDR3 memory modules are equipped with cutting edge memory technologies to ensure extreme user experience whether for daily applications or gaming. G.Skill system memory is 100% tested to ensure top-level product yield and quality.

DDR3 1600
Reaching the optimal balance between the sheer speed of DDR3 and excellent latency, the G.SKILL Ripjaws Series DDR3 SDRAM is rated at 1600MHz 7-8-7-24 to meet the rigorous requirements of the most fanatic gamers and enthusiasts.

Effective Heat Spreader
The high-performance heat spreader effectively dissipates heat from memory module to ensure system stability even in the most extremely overclocked memory module.


Quick Specs
Brand G.SKILL
Type 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM
Capacity 4GB (2 x 2GB)
Speed DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Cas Latency 7
Voltage 1.65V
ECC No
Buffered/Registered Unbuffered
Multi-channel Kit Dual Channel Kit
Heat Spreader Yes

Detailed Specifications
Learning Center
Understanding System Memory Types Understanding System Memory Types|
SDRAM|
RDRAM|
DDR SDRAM|
DDR2 SDRAM|
DDR3 SDRAM|
Other Considerations|
View All Learning Center information on Desktop Memory Category»

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April 7, 2010 5:23:35 AM

actually the dominator ram i choose is tested to 1.65v and as i will be overclocking keeping the ram as cool as possible will improve lifespan of the ram and stability which is why i was looking at the ram with heatspreaders and fan assemblly
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April 7, 2010 5:38:37 AM



Well, I'll just let you "hot-shots" duke it out ... I just run around specifying either Kingston Value 1333 or that G.Skill 1600, depending on "usage".

= Alvin =
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April 7, 2010 5:59:39 AM

lol prob aint gonna make huge difference dominator gt or g.skill the dominator ram easier for me to get hold of
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April 7, 2010 6:07:17 AM


Sounds like it comes with "whips-n-chains" 'n black, rubber nickers. . .

Now "RipJaws" . . . That also sounds agressive, if not downright violent !

Follow your vision !


. . [:jaydeejohn:3] . [:jaydeejohn:3] . [:jaydeejohn:3]
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April 7, 2010 6:09:14 AM

What i ended up with


Intel i5 750,Thermalright Venomous Heatsink, Gigabyte P55 UD7 MB, 4gb Dominator ddr3 Dual Channel 1600mhz Ram, Palit GTX 285 2GB Nvidia GFX,
Antec 1200 case, 1tb WD Caviar Black SATA3 (OS Drive), 2x Sata2 Hotswap bays with 2 1tb WD Caviar Green hdds, no DVD DRIVE, 22" ASUS Monitor

Working on overclocking got to 3.8ghz running below 40c cant boot to windows @ 4.0ghz read something about needing to adjust the qpi setting to boot but cant find the post
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