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Do I NEED the 955 Black edition for gaming?

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June 8, 2010 10:50:47 PM

I'm building a new gaming computer and I want to know if I really need the 955 BE. Im trying to cut down on money as much as possible, but If its nessesary for a good computer Ill buy it. Will it make a difference to use a standard Phenom x4, or Phenom x3, maybe even an Athlon 630?

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June 8, 2010 10:56:26 PM

If you are on a budget the Athlon x 3 440 is great and in a gaming machine you really want to get a good graphics card so unless you can afford a HD5830 or better the athlon should not hold it back.
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June 8, 2010 11:02:23 PM

Misko195 said:
You sugest him HD5830 or even better and CPU Athlon x3 440? Will hold it back men....

No I said if he gets below a 5830 it won't
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June 8, 2010 11:02:26 PM

Ugh, that chart just makes me want to go for the 955 BE.... Maybe I will do it. I would LOVE to build this computer for under 600, (not including monitor, mouse, keyboard, and OS) but I dont think thatll happen. I dont plan on running Crysis but if it could just play it i'd be good. If it can run crysis, it can run prettymuch anything I need it to :p 
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June 8, 2010 11:02:46 PM

simon12 said:
If you are on a budget the Athlon x 3 440 is great and in a gaming machine you really want to get a good graphics card so unless you can afford a HD5830 or better the athlon should not hold it back.


You sugest him HD5830 or even better and CPU Athlon x3 440? Will hold it back men....
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June 8, 2010 11:04:13 PM

goalguy876 said:
Ugh, that chart just makes me want to go for the 955 BE.... Maybe I will do it. I would LOVE to build this computer for under 600, (not including monitor, mouse, keyboard, and OS) but I dont think thatll happen. I dont plan on running Crysis but if it could just play it i'd be good. If it can run crysis, it can run prettymuch anything I need it to :p 

The chart is not aimed at gaming better to read http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-phenom-ii-corei-i5...
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June 8, 2010 11:06:36 PM

whats the difference in the Athlon 630/640. The price on that 640 is much more attractive then the 955 BE. I think im going to get a 5770 video card. For the first month or so, Im going to be using an old NEC LCD monitor. Ill get a new one on my birthday.
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June 8, 2010 11:08:39 PM

Okay, I can get the 9770 and the Athlon easy. Right now I have a 750watt corsair PSU in my cart but do you think i'll need that much power?
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June 8, 2010 11:11:24 PM

goalguy876 said:
Okay, I can get the 9770 and the Athlon easy. Right now I have a 750watt corsair PSU in my cart but do you think i'll need that much power?


haha, no men is enought power. Even too much for you spec :D 
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June 8, 2010 11:11:41 PM

The 630 runs at 2.8GHx the 640 is 3GHz
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June 8, 2010 11:14:35 PM

Wow, 400w would be plenty? Cool, I can probably pull out enough for a 550 watt to have a little to spare. So a 550w PSU, Athlon x4 (630 or 640? whats the difference) and a 5770. not sure which 5770 yet. My mobo Ive picked out is an Asrock with USB 3.0 which is what I want.
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June 8, 2010 11:14:49 PM

If you buy Phenom x4 955, than buy decent GPU unless 5770...

"this chart is only for gaming"
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June 8, 2010 11:15:43 PM

Yeah, Ill just OC the 630 for .2GHz difference...
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June 8, 2010 11:19:19 PM

I have zero parts at the moment. Ive picked out a ASrock 6gbps and USB 3.0 thats 95$ . I want the 4gb G.Skill Ripjaw and the Rosewill destroyer case with the LITE dvd writer for 46$. The samsung spinpoint 500gb is the hard drive.
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June 8, 2010 11:19:25 PM

goalguy876 said:
Wow, 400w would be plenty? Cool, I can probably pull out enough for a 550 watt to have a little to spare. So a 550w PSU, Athlon x4 (630 or 640? whats the difference) and a 5770. not sure which 5770 yet. My mobo Ive picked out is an Asrock with USB 3.0 which is what I want.


Athlon x4 630 work on 2.8Ghz
Athlon x4 640 work on 3.0Ghz (Better buy for me)
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June 8, 2010 11:19:49 PM

goalguy876 said:
Yeah, Ill just OC the 630 for .2GHz difference...

I still think the x 3 440 is the better but on the budget what Asrock board are you getting (I have an 880G extreme 3)
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June 8, 2010 11:21:37 PM

the 870 Extreme3
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June 8, 2010 11:23:37 PM

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AVOID the 640 at all costs, @$130, youll be better off getting a 945 for $10 more.
The 635 however is an exellent bang for the buck @2.9Ghz and $99. $3 for a slightly higher multi on a Athlon is great, and you get a free HDMI cable. :) 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I like the word "free" ;) . 635 sounds good.
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June 8, 2010 11:23:53 PM

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AVOID the 640 at all costs, @$130, youll be better off getting a 945 for $10 more.
The 635 however is an exellent bang for the buck @2.9Ghz and $99. $3 for a slightly higher multi on a Athlon is great, and you get a free HDMI cable. :) 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I agree....
But i just tell him difference
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June 8, 2010 11:24:42 PM

goalguy876 said:
the 870 Extreme3

I can't see a difference between that and mine
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June 8, 2010 11:26:27 PM

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The ASUS fan is better than the random custom fans XFX and Gigabyte has on their low end models, and the HAWK/VaporX/IceQ is $180.
I dont know why you hate the CuCore so much, the fan works pretty well.


No men, i don't hate CuCore. But i think this GPU don't have enough big heatsink for Juniper, just that...
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June 8, 2010 11:30:29 PM

So is that a good GPU? This is turning out to be a lot cheaper which I like :D 
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June 8, 2010 11:34:18 PM

goalguy876 said:
So is that a good GPU? This is turning out to be a lot cheaper which I like :D 


Ati HD5770?

Yes men, maybe is not best, but is decent GPU. I play Crysis Warhead with her in 1920-1080 and everything max, with only 2gb DDR3, without problem.

But if you don't have enough money, you can go with 5750...
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June 8, 2010 11:42:01 PM

I can afford the 5770. Ill go with that GPU. What about the Sapphire 5770 thats $169? Is it any better?
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June 8, 2010 11:48:54 PM

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Refrence of the one with the big-looking fan?
The only 3 5770s I would get over the ASUS is:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Maybe this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Honestly if you dont plan to OC your card to 950Mhz, the ASUS is a good card at a good price.



Im not going to overclock the Video card. The only think I might overclock slightly is the CPU...

Also- What about this PSU? havent heard of the company.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 9, 2010 12:08:38 AM

I like the 1600 just so I have it...
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June 9, 2010 12:08:59 AM

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HECK NO.
Thats has less power than the corsair 400W.
What is earthing you have in your cart right now? Lets see if we could bring down the cost further without SACRIFICING QUALITY.



Ok, maybe not that PSU then.... The only thing that I can really slim down on is the Mobo. $95, But I like it. If I can find good combo deals thats good

CPU and RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case and Drive:http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

HDD:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Then I have that ASUS Video card
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June 9, 2010 2:52:10 AM

Thanks :)  I like the price. The 635 is s***?
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June 9, 2010 3:10:05 AM

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*All prices includes shipping*

CPU/RAM 2 other options: $188AR http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Cheap alternative: $179 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Mobo: $75 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(It doesn't have Crossfire, but other than that, its identical)

Case: $30AR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: $52 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This Combos pretty sweet though, if you like the case: $107 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

HDD: $55 Great Choice.

ODD: $20 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: The CuCore for $140AR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $551-576


Mine comes out to $630? Still cheaper
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June 9, 2010 5:45:35 AM

So much for so little huh.. You wont have all these worries had you locked your choices with the 955 BE.. No intention on confusing you at this point but that is a great processor for gaming and comes in the league of the intel giants (again when gaming is concerned).. True that the video card is a higher deciding factor when gaming is concerned but this is also true that it can be upgraded anytime and more easily than the cpu.. If you can manage a combination of a 955 BE and a 5770 then awesome.. But even if you can't at the moment, my vote goes to getting the 955 BE and later assemble cash for a powerful video card update..
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June 9, 2010 8:13:29 AM

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Because you can't benchmark them at 3.2Ghz and 2.6Ghz respectively. You have to bench them clock for clock to see how much cache gives you an advantage and in GTA4 3fps isn't worth the extra money for the 955 or 965 over a 620.


If the graph is just to show cache advantage at those lowered clocks then the frames will surely increase with the stock clocks which are about 600 MHz faster than those clocks.. Moreover, price difference aint that huge.. You need to consider the facts as How about the stock performance.? How about the overclocking complexity and advantages.? How much time limit would it give before you need to upgrade.? All those answered, the 955 will be worth the little extra..
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June 9, 2010 2:14:02 PM

I'll just toss this out there as a innocent bystander who just read all of this, my vote is for the 955BE.
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June 9, 2010 2:52:47 PM

The 955BE would overclock higher then the athlon and it would still have the 10% performance benefit from L3 cache. I think that the 955 would be a much better choice as long as you could afford it.
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June 9, 2010 4:12:33 PM

Thats the problem, I dont know if I can. I might be able to in the next two months, but I was hoping to get it this month. Im looking at a 635 by the way. If the 955BE will make a big difference, i'll save up more.
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June 9, 2010 4:28:16 PM

2 pages for an easy answer?

1- Do u want the CPU only for gaming?, no u don't need the BE.
2- Do u want the CPU for gaming AND OC?, maybe because the BE have unlock multiplier
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June 9, 2010 4:38:33 PM

You could try the 550BE if you can unlock the extra cores you pretty much have a 955 if not over clock to 3.8-4Ghz and you still have a great gaming CPU
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June 9, 2010 5:09:59 PM

Im going to be using it only for gaming and surfing.
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June 9, 2010 5:28:46 PM

goalguy876 said:
what about this board also. I think im going to eventually crossfire

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you crossfire with that board you would lose a ton of speed on that second card. It has 2 pci-e 2.0 lanes, but the grey one runs at 1/4 the speed of the blue one.
You should get a board with x8/x8 mode at least, since that will only slow them down a little compared to x16 for both.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pci-express-2.0,191...
This is with older hardware, so it might be worse to use today. Some games don't seem to slow down too much from it either, but some games really take a huge hit from not having enough bandwidth.
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