What ATI card will destroy the Xbox 360 with a buget of $200

[john5246]

Here is my setup:

ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX) http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/chipsets/7-series-integrated/Pages/amd-790gx-chipset.aspx
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black edition (3.2GHz/core)
Corsair XMS3 Dual-Channel DDR3 RAM 2 GB (2 x 1024)
Hitachi Deskstar 1TB SATA HDD 7200RPM 16MB Cache

Apparently the ASUS board has one of the most powerful on board graphics for a MBO out on the market. I don't have the graphics card yet and I know Xbox 360 only supports DX9 but does that necessarily mean it'll display better graphics than a AMD DX11 card like the Radeon 5750 (which is about $150)? Because for having come out so long ago it does do 1080p easily.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2521-4.html


Basically this is what I want to achieve: I want to play games in full 1080p on my tv at max settings or near max settings. If something is out on both Xbox 360 AND PC I'll pick up the PC version. Please advise...

*keep in mind that a compable card can do "ATI Hybrid Graphics" using both the integrated GPU and your dedicated card.

 

[nrnx]

Any graphics card will destroy the XBOX 360 at that res (any recent graphics card that is). For you I would reccomend the 5770 for 1080, some settings maxed others not. Or the 5830, should be able to do all max settings. I personally have 2x 5770 and love them. Any graphics card over the Geforce 7900 or Ati X1XX series is better than the GPU of the PS3 or Xbox 360.

 

[unknown_13]

Everything from ATi 2900, nVidia 8800 to present will TEAR apart the XboX360

+1 to the HD 5770

 

[JofaMang]

You are oversimplifying the situation nrnx. The Consoles are single hardware sku devices, that allow for very very precise performance coding, as the software does not require variances for a range of available hardware. This allows the game devs to utilize the available hardware at a much greater efficiency than their comparable PC counterparts.

Also do not include the PS3 in this discussion as a comparison, the graphics achieved by the cell in games like Uncharted2 (with a claimed RSX usage of only about 30%) prove that the architecture and individual hardware parts should not be directly compared to standard PC layouts like the 360.

Ignore the Hybrid Xfire option, as it only works with old, low end cards (34xx cards are the highest that will work with it, I believe)

Also of note is that the 360 never actually creates 1080p graphics. It upscales 720p to 1080p, but the core source does not allow for greater than 720p creation of 3d graphics.

Being the best IGP is like being the fastest turtle. Compared to a discrete card (or rabit) being the best in your own class means nothing compared to what can be done in a higher class of hardware.

For your price ceiling ($200USD I assume), an ATI 5770 or 260 is your best bet, and both will perform very well with your system, and both will visually crush a 360s graphics. Your 2gb of system ram will be a limitation on higher spec games, though, tbh. Also of note, is be prepared to do your research on how well the PC counterpart to a 360 game performs: shoddy ports can make a PC version run very poorly without killer hardware (GTAIV for example).

If you only want to best the 360, split your budget into upgrading your ram to 4gb, and getting a new videocard, this will give your system more longevity over only adding a videocard. If you want the best graphics bang RIGHT NOW, a 5770, 260, or even a 4890 would be great choices, provided you have the PSU to power them.

There are some variables that make it hard to give direct advice. Assuming you have the PSU power, if it were me, I would probably add 2x1gb sticks of matching ram, and try to stretch the budget to include a 5750, or at the least a 5670. Running games at 720p can look no worse than the 1080p upscaling from the 360, and give you a lower graphics power requirement to achieve your goals. The bonus of the 5670 is the low power draw, and thus, higher likelihood of current PSU being able to handle the power.

 

[john5246]

Thanks for the replies to all of you:

Am I better off buying the 5750 now and then buying another and running crossfire? Because it only does 8x in CRF? Or should I just wait it out and get a

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0030L1BPO/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=010293B0KHA9ZGJX20PC&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846


Will this fit in a mid-tower case??? That thing looks huge

I think I agree with the article from Tom's hardware that the 5750 is a great value.


How important is it to have the matching RAM? I only got 2GB because I want the 1666MHz RAM later on, I thought I could manage for a bit with 2GB DDR3.


* I have the ULTRA 600W LP PSU

 

[unknown_13]

Thanks for the replies to all of you:

Am I better off buying the 5750 now and then buying another and running crossfire? Because it only does 8x in CRF? Or should I just wait it out and get a

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0030L1BPO/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=010293B0KHA9ZGJX20PC&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846


Will this fit in a mid-tower case??? That thing looks huge

I think I agree with the article from Tom's hardware that the 5750 is a great value.


How important is it to have the matching RAM? I only got 2GB because I want the 1666MHz RAM later on, I thought I could manage for a bit with 2GB DDR3.


* I have the ULTRA 600W LP PSU

Well, better off get the HD 5750 with a 2 more GB of RAM
As for the x8/x8 yes you will have lowered performance, but not by a very big amount.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p55-crossfire-nf200,2537-3.html

 

[JofaMang]

x8 only restricts the heftiest of video cards (think 5970) so x8/x8 crossfire is fine.

 

[john5246]

Well, better off get the HD 5750 with a 2 more GB of RAM
As for the x8/x8 yes you will have lowered performance, but not by a very big amount.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p55-crossfire-nf200,2537-3.html

Wow so I ran Crysis today with just the on-board graphics card

not in HD but wow this thing hold up very well, there is some lag during cut-scenes but for on-board graphics very nice

Also played Halo CE (no problem obviously)


Do you think the HD 5750 will let me do HD? 1920x1080? If not will it do that with ease with two of them in CF?

 

[john5246]

x8 only restricts the heftiest of video cards (think 5970) so x8/x8 crossfire is fine.

So I have an ASUS board and the ULTRA mid-tower case, but would that card even fit in my Computer?

 

[JofaMang]

The only way to know for sure is to measure. Most vendors list the dimensions of their products, so you can compare.

 

[john5246]

The only way to know for sure is to measure. Most vendors list the dimensions of their products, so you can compare.

I checked newegg and they don't list the sizes for heatsinks and fans, I wanted the Zalman 9900 copper heatsink and fan
it'll keep my AMD Phenom II X4 955 at 25C which would really help for overclocking

 

[bystander]

x8 only restricts the heftiest of video cards (think 5970) so x8/x8 crossfire is fine.

I think you may mean the 5870. A 5970 would be crippled by x8.

x8 on the 5870 just starts to limit performance by about 5%.

 

[Digital Dissent]

2x 5770's will have you doing hd at max graphics with probably 2-4x AA. The same goes for 2x 4870's (not worth it with the 5770's out) or 2x 4890's, which are insanely fast (faster than an nvidia gtx295, but hard to find and prices are quickly going up as availability drops. But practically any nvidia card from the 8800 through 9600+ and gtx250+ series as well as any ati card from the 4850+ and 5770/5830+ will destroy an xbox 360, even with the better coding it receives.

 

[mr2shim]

A single 5770 will destroy an xbox 360. Go crossfire for double ownage.

 

[JofaMang]

I think you may mean the 5870. A 5970 would be crippled by x8.

x8 on the 5870 just starts to limit performance by about 5%.

That is exactly what I said.

 

[jyjjy]

Forget about the HD5750. The HD5770 is easily worth the extra money considering their prices at the moment, and especially for 1920x1080.

 

[sabot00]

That is exactly what I said.

You said 5970.


I agree with the 5770.

 

[JofaMang]

You said 5970.


I agree with the 5770.

5% isn't crippled I said "think 5970" as a reference to the aforementioned "heftiest" of videocards. A 5870 is less hefty than a 5970. Regardless of how we understood eachother, we do indeed agree.

 

[bystander]

I was just clarifying, as you said it took something like a 5970 to restrict a x8 slot. I just wanted to be clear that the 5870 would be restricted too, while the 5970 would be crippled. I guess I considered the word restricted to be a little less severe than you.

 

[reignsupreme11]

i would get a 5770. and if you have a CF board, you can simply buy another one in a month or so, if don't want to justify spending ~330$ right. the 5770 is a great card i used one in a rig for my buddy and he loves it.