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March 13, 2010 5:30:19 PM

Hi all,

I have a simple question.

I have a 23” 1080p monitor and I like to play Crysis, Bioshock 1 and 2, Wolfenstein, Call of Duty WOW, you get the picture.

I really only want acceptable playable frame rates if I don’t get 500fps then no big deal. What I do want is good graphic quality coupled with playable frame rates, I have been told that above 30fps should be ok or is that wrong?

I have 4GB of 1066MHz Ram on an ASUS Striker II Formula MoBo with an E8600 CPU and can use either a 1000Watt or 700Watt PSU. Not bothered about SLI or Xfire and not bothered about ATI or Nvidia either will do.

What should I go for?

Thanks in advance.

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a b U Graphics card
March 13, 2010 5:37:54 PM

I would suggest probably a 5770 minimum for 1920x1080 especially with Crysis and you'll have to keep some detail settings down a bit. A 5830 would be a bit better, but for the price difference probably not worth the minimal performance increase you'll get. I'd really suggest the 5850 as the best price/performance you can get to play those games well at 1920x1080. I am playing at the same resolution as you and am liking my 2x5750's which is just a little bit better than a 5850. Its been doing great in everything I play (though I don't actually have any of the games you listed:-p) Any of these cards will work totally fine with your 700W PSU. It would run most of them in Crossfirex.
I'm not recommending any of the Nvidia cards because they don't yet support DX11 etc, and its worth having those capabilities going forward at this point, plus the Nvidia cards are generally much more expensive for similar performance at this point.
March 13, 2010 5:38:35 PM

Xfx radeon hd 5870
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a c 216 U Graphics card
March 13, 2010 5:42:40 PM

Well, playable framerates are a personal choice, and games can look fairly smooth at 30+ fps. However, for many people, you need 40-50+ FPS to feel comfortable. For a lot of people playing these types of games (1st person view), you will get motion sickness without higher FPS than 30+.

After finally getting a good video card setup, I can tell you that 45 FPS feels like you have free range of movement, while 30 fps feels like you are lagging as well as it makes me sick to my stomach. But as I mentioned above, this is more of a personal preference.

If you are like me, and want to play the list of games you mentioned above at high settings (not highest), you'd probably want a 5850 or 5870, but these are fairly expensive video cards.

I noticed in your member configuration, that you have 260's in SLI. If this hasn't changed, I'm not sure I would upgrade just yet. Has anything changed, and what is your price range? Two 5850's or 5870's would out perform your current setup for sure, but your mobo doesn't support CF. A single 5970 would also out perform what you have, but you have not given a budget.

I'm inclined to say you don't need an upgrade.
a c 130 U Graphics card
March 13, 2010 5:42:41 PM

What's your budget? You could CF 2x HD5850 + a CF LG775 MOBO for $750, you could get a single HD5970 for $650. That's probably your best bet considering your predicament with an SLI mobo.

Alternatively you could wait for the HD5990, or wait for Fermi.
a c 165 U Graphics card
March 13, 2010 5:43:21 PM

Are you sure you need to upgrade? Dual GTX260s' is going to be a hard act to beat!
What is your budget?
At that resolution certain games need a massive card to play well with high/max settings, yes, Crysis, I'm looking at YOU!
Some will say 30 FPS is OK, but really you should be aiming at this as a minimum, especially because the games you play are fast action titles.
So...How much can you spend/how many body parts can you sell?
March 13, 2010 5:48:32 PM

So something like a HD 5770 is what I should be looking for?

As an aside, something else that confuses me a little is the Stream Processors. Nvidia cards all seem to have far fewer than the ATI cards. Do they measure them in the same way? I think I read somewhere that Nvidia list their Processors in batches of 5 so 240 Nvidia Cores would be the same as 1200 ATI cores, is this correct?

But getting back to the question I originally asked HD 5770?
March 13, 2010 5:52:49 PM

Sorry was posting when you guys were replying!!

I no longer have the 260 SLI setup I had before. I sold them and now have an 8800GTS 512 and have pocketed the money to get 1 decent card. I guess I am looking to spend around £150 if this helps

thanks
a c 216 U Graphics card
March 13, 2010 5:53:55 PM

Unfortunately, all options will be a downgrade from your previous one.
a c 130 U Graphics card
March 13, 2010 5:55:40 PM

The best thing is to sell your 8800GTS for about 50 and then get an HD5850.
a b U Graphics card
March 13, 2010 5:57:51 PM

gonesy said:
So something like a HD 5770 is what I should be looking for?

As an aside, something else that confuses me a little is the Stream Processors. Nvidia cards all seem to have far fewer than the ATI cards. Do they measure them in the same way? I think I read somewhere that Nvidia list their Processors in batches of 5 so 240 Nvidia Cores would be the same as 1200 ATI cores, is this correct?

But getting back to the question I originally asked HD 5770?


You can't really compare the stream processor count from ATI to Nvidia. For example, the 4870 has 800, the gtx 260 has 216, and they perform within a few fps of each other. An approximate calculation is 4:1, but again you really can't compare stream processor count. If I were you, I would just look up benchmarks for whatever games you want to play and decide based on that.

I think you should get the 5770. performs really well for only ~150.
March 13, 2010 5:58:46 PM

The reason I got rid of the SLI setup is that I figured that 2 x 260's were just too powerful for my needs, I may have been a little nieve. I dont want to power a 100" monitor! :-)
March 13, 2010 6:01:15 PM

Well it looks like the overall opinion is that a HD5770 is the way to go. Funny how Nvidia has not been mentioned!!
a b U Graphics card
March 13, 2010 6:01:48 PM

Unfortunately unless you want to spend all the money you got back you're not gonna max Crysis.
a b U Graphics card
March 13, 2010 6:03:16 PM

at $150, 5770 is really the best option available, and will be a very good upgrade from the 8800GTS. The 5850 would be better, but its close to $300.
March 13, 2010 6:06:44 PM

Ok thanks, 5770 it is then.

A couple of you have mentioned the 5850 also, how good is this card?

Thanks
a b U Graphics card
March 13, 2010 6:09:26 PM

It depends. Probably 30 to 40% faster depending on the game. But, it's around twice the price.
a c 212 U Graphics card
March 13, 2010 6:30:24 PM

At 1920 x 1080, I consider the 5850 series as the "entry" point if you want to have a shot at playing the Dx11 games of XMas 2010 and 2011 at 30 fps.

These benchies are just 2 weeks old and only use 2AA on the 1st 2, 3rd is Crysis @ 1650 (Min / Avg / Max fps):

Dirt2 (30/37/42) http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.php?reviewid=937&...
AvP (21/30/43) http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.php?reviewid=937&...
Crysis Warhead (12/22/29) http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.php?reviewid=937&...

a b U Graphics card
March 13, 2010 6:42:15 PM

Well, if the OP wants to spend $150, the 5770 is the best he'll get. It'll play (at lowered detail settings) the games he wants to play. If it doesn't cut it, he can add a second one come Christmas or whatever. Those benchies show how great a setup that could be because my 2x5750's beat the 5850, and the 2x5770's ought to be ~5870 and better.
So- to the OP- 5770 now and a second one later if you need more power! BTW- my 5750s are scaling at 80%+ in the benchmarks I've run (3dMark Vantage is 88% increase with xfire over a single card, Dirt2 is 80% increase). Crossfirex is scaling VERY well on these 5000 series cards.
March 13, 2010 6:56:40 PM

Thanks for all the input.

Crossfire is out of the question for me I am affraid as I have an SLI MoBo and cant stretch to a new one so having to make the best of what I have thats why I dont mind running with just one decent card. Like I said in the beginning I want something that will give me a good gaming experience with nice graphic depth and detail and reasonable frame rates so judging by the majority of the responses the 5770 does seem to be the way to go.

Thanks
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