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March 31, 2010 5:54:24 AM

This is my first time building a PC and hope everything goes smoothly..I've posted another thread before but the person helping me isn't replying and I'm going to purchase this all the components ASAP.

Here was my first thread:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/283520-31-budget-gami...

My situation has changed and I find myself with limited funding.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (*in a week*) BUDGET RANGE: (400-500$) After Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (gaming, watching movies, surfing the internet etc.)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: mouse, monitor, speakers, OS
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: (United States)

PARTS PREFERENCES: none, as long as it works and works for a long time
OVERCLOCKING: YES! SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe in a few years when needed

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1440x900
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Minimum lights and noise as possible.

I've since updated my build and need some further recommendations if possible:

CPU & MOBO Combo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I will be purchasing my GPU from Amazon as it is the cheapest.

http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-4670-PCI-Express-...

Case w/ PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

HDD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This build will be in my living room and I will be using my plasma tv as a monitor via HDMI. I'm just curious as to if the radeon 4670 can run mw2 and the latest games on mid settings.

Thanks for looking at my build :D  !


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March 31, 2010 6:26:43 AM

Would the HD 5670 run with that 380W PSU?

Also I will swap the 4670 for 5670 as it will only cost 4$ more for DIRECTX 11 and better performance.

The PSU also notes that:
"No power cord included. By reusing your existing cord, you can reduce waste and help protect the environment"

The problem is this is my first computer build and I just don't have a spare power cord lying around...
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March 31, 2010 6:41:01 AM

And that 380W can also power HD 5750/ HD 4850...
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March 31, 2010 6:47:27 AM

How is 380W psu supply a 5670 when its requirements are:
"400 Watt or greater power supply recommended (500 Watt for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode) "

I will be getting the power cord from a local store.

From just looking at this build I its probably under 500$. Will this build be future proof? I don't want to upgrade any parts unless I have to for a few years to come.
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March 31, 2010 6:53:57 AM


$476 AR
IMO budget rig and future proof isn't a bright idea so just for the best performance (in this case in games) your money can buy.
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March 31, 2010 7:08:38 AM

batuchka said:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/batuchka/ouha.jpg
$476 AR
IMO budget rig and future proof isn't a bright idea so just for the best performance (in this case in games) your money can buy.


I'm looking over your build so far and I just don't seem to like the mobo. Even though it has integrated graphics it just doesn't have the firewire port, the sata 3.0, and the usb 3.0. I know this technology will be definitely used in the future so I think I'll be sticking to my cpu/mobo combo.

As you can see I want the latest technology. I think I will be sticking to the 5670 as well even though the 4850 can perform way better.

I have yet to look at the PSU and the case..
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March 31, 2010 7:11:18 AM

@hotshizzle am sure that the HD 5670 will run on that 380W...It is actually an underrated PSU, which is of very high quality...

As for batuchka's build, it is good except that the mobo doesnt have SATA 6GB/s or USB 3.0...but that wont matter much as later on you can use add-on cards for those and also as for the quality will be lower than Gigabyte boards...
But it is a value of money though...
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March 31, 2010 4:40:23 PM

Newer Enermax PSUs are indeed good. That's an ancient one though; it even has a -5V rail!
As gkay09 said, the 380W Earthwatts is a good PSU. GPU manufacturers list requirements that hopefully take into account the number of Chokemax PSUs out there that aren't good for their labels.
"Future-proof" is a mythical concept, and "future-resistant" and "budget" tend to be mutually exclusive, unless there's an upgrade path. An AM3 board will give you that. Six GB/s SATA and USB3.0 will be available on add-in cards if it is ever needed, so don't let those being absent be a dealbreaker.
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March 31, 2010 4:57:37 PM

The cheapest case/PSU combo I could recommend with a clear conscience is this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... which includes the new 80+ bronze 380W Earthwatts. It's $99 shipped; I think it would make more sense to get that same PSU, except that it is out of stock. The older ("only" 80+) 500W Earthwatts is available for $45 after MIR with free shipping: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... so get that along with a cheap Rosewill case, or if you don't want to play the rebate game, get the 80+ bronze 430W Earthwatts for $66 shipped: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... , along with a cheap case.
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March 31, 2010 8:34:51 PM

I'm taking a look at all of these; much more replies than my previous thread. My plasma tv can only display 30fps limited. I'm planning to stick to this for a year or two. As to the "future-proof" concept all I want is for the build to be upgradeable in the future.

Since my tv can only display 30fps and its resolution is 1280x768 I'm thinking that the 57xx are overkill.
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March 31, 2010 9:19:13 PM

So here's my new build:



After Rebates:

$456.92

I like this build as since my monitor/tv can only display 30fps I think the video card is the best for my budget. I'm going to upgrade the video card when I get a new monitor that's why I ended up getting that 500W psu.

Does it look good? :D 
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March 31, 2010 10:33:30 PM

I think it looks reasonable. The OCZ PSU isn't great, but nothing there screams to be replaced.
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April 1, 2010 12:23:35 AM

To be honest this build is a lot better IMO.

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April 1, 2010 1:10:26 AM

whitefang said:
To be honest this build is a lot better IMO.

http://i44.tinypic.com/5yrmtx.jpg


Looks okay, but I don't really need to overspend on the gpu the 4670 is great enough. The PSU is overkill in my opinon.

Thanks for the contribution :wahoo:  .
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April 1, 2010 1:17:49 AM

No, psu is not overkill. Your going to want a higher wattage PSU for future upgrades, get anything less and your screwed and will have to spend $80 for a new PSU later down the road.

The 4670 is not a very good GPU, look at playing newer games at lowest/med settings at 1400x900 resolution. That build above is better then any other build suggested here so far for $500.
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April 1, 2010 2:28:45 AM

That build is fine, however there's no logical reason to go for that over my build.

My PSU is way way better, ocz is at the bottom of the list of the PSU's that are considered "good"

The 5670 will not perform as good as the 4770, however it does have DX11 and supports eyefinity ( Both not really important)

The motherboard I selected does not have USB 3.0 or Sata 6GB's but that can be obtained by the PCI cards that will come out.

Case is a preference, ram is the same.

So the real question here is.

1. Do you want your PC to last longer and have more future upgradability. (Power supply)
2. Do you want your PC to perform better in games (4770 > 5670)
3. Do you want USB 3.0 Sata 6GB's now (No crossfire if you choose yours, no Sata 6GB's / USB 3.0 on mine, but PCI card will work)
4. Case is a preference, however the one I selected will do just as good as the one you have.

That pretty much sums it up, choose what you want. However I wouldn't get that PSU + video card when there's better out there for the same price.
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April 1, 2010 2:29:19 AM

Whitefang's build is worth the extra $50 if you can spend it. If you can't quite squeeze it in, the case he chose combos with quite a few Antec PSUs; some are a little cheaper, but don't go for most of the Basiqs, as they aren't as good. The 500W Basiq has been reviewed favorably though, so it would be acceptable, although not as efficient (deal breaker for me, maybe not for you).
For your [relatively low] resolutions, I disagree that the HD4670 is poor, BUT, the HD4770 is sufficiently better that it's a good idea. The HD5670 is between them, but offers DX11. You'd certainly end up wanting to replace the HD4670 long before either of the others.
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April 1, 2010 2:33:40 AM

Onus said:
Whitefang's build is worth the extra $50 if you can spend it. If you can't quite squeeze it in, the case he chose combos with quite a few Antec PSUs; some are a little cheaper, but don't go for most of the Basiqs, as they aren't as good. The 500W Basiq has been reviewed favorably though, so it would be acceptable, although not as efficient (deal breaker for me, maybe not for you).
For your [relatively low] resolutions, I disagree that the HD4670 is poor, BUT, the HD4770 is sufficiently better that it's a good idea. The HD5670 is between them, but offers DX11. You'd certainly end up wanting to replace the HD4670 long before either of the others.



My build is only $16 more, not $50 :p 
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April 1, 2010 2:44:04 AM

I was looking at his first build when I was typing my post $457 vs. $507. So, if yours was worth $50, it's certainly worth another $16...but yours isn't suitable for Crossfire either; it's still the better choice, IF he can afford it. His isn't bad, it just isn't as good. Like you say, OCZ is at the bottom of the acceptable PSUs. I happen to like ASRock, whether or not it has Crossfire.
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April 1, 2010 2:48:49 AM

Yes I like Asrock too, I've used it many times and it seems up to the game. And I do agree, 4X crossfire is not all that great, but hey, it's crossfire :p 
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April 1, 2010 6:50:05 PM

Sorry I haven't been replying lately, but recently I couldn't confirm the amount of budget I have until now. I'm strictly on a $550 build but I think that's more than enough than now. I'm reviewing all of the past builds everyone posted and will get back to all of you soon.

1. Do you want your PC to last longer and have more future upgradability. Yes I want this computer to last me a few years and have some sort of upgradability.

2. Do you want your PC to perform better in games? Since my budget is now around $550 I think I can afford the 5770 now?

3. Do you want USB 3.0 Sata 6GB's now? I don't think I will need this now since the HDD I'm looking at is 500gb sata 3gb. But I'm definitely looking at this in the future.

4. Case is a preference, however the one I selected will do just as good as the one you have? I want a case with a window that looks awesome and have great airflow if at all possible.
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April 1, 2010 7:14:32 PM

A 5770 is a little bit costly at $550.

This build is pretty good.



Or get this PSU and pick out your own case within budget. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 1, 2010 7:29:48 PM

I'm planning to order today thanks for replying so quickly. Wouldn't this ram be best since I'm planning to oc http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ?

The mobo is specifying also that I should take that RAM "DDR3 1600"

Either than that I'm liking the cpu and mobo selection since I've heard AsRock has this feature called A.c.c which will help me unlock my 4th core. The mobo also has 2 pcie 2.0 slots which is great even though I may not need it.

*oops same dvd burner :lol:  *

Also I found a way cheaper 4850 for under 100$:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
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April 1, 2010 7:56:11 PM

The ram would perform about the same, the higher speed won't affect anything. However for a few dollars more this ram would be a lot better http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... it has better timings, which is way more important.

Also, the video card you have at zipzoomfly is $10 cheaper. However, it is made by powercolor which is one of the worst brands for video cards. It also has a poor cooler compared to the one in my suggested build. However, if that $10 is important to you, go for it.

Yes, ACC stands for advanced clock calibration and it will unlock the cores. I also found this good deal on a video card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... However it is open box, newegg supplies a 30 day money back guarantee, might be something looking into. I have bought several open box video cards and they all worked great for me. The 4890 is inbetween a 5770 and a 5830 in performance, closer to the 5830.
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April 1, 2010 8:06:52 PM

whitefang said:
The ram would perform about the same, the higher speed won't affect anything. However for a few dollars more this ram would be a lot better http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... it has better timings, which is way more important.

Also, the video card you have at zipzoomfly is $10 cheaper. However, it is made by powercolor which is one of the worst brands for video cards. It also has a poor cooler compared to the one in my suggested build. However, if that $10 is important to you, go for it.

Yes, ACC stands for advanced clock calibration and it will unlock the cores. I also found this good deal on a video card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... However it is open box, newegg supplies a 30 day money back guarantee, might be something looking into. I have bought several open box video cards and they all worked great for me. The 4890 is inbetween a 5770 and a 5830 in performance, closer to the 5830.


I know that with a cas latency of 7 which is good but will that ram be compatible with the mobo even when the mobo specify DDR3 1600?

Hmm.. I'm going to take the hd radeon 4850 by sapphire:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

About the mobo it says crossfire is possible but from your stand point would it really be possible and worth it?
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April 1, 2010 8:11:55 PM

Yes that ram is compatible, it is saying that DDR3 1600 is the fastest ram it can take.

Crossfire would be worth it if you were on a strict budget and needed more power, the X4 PCI-x16 slot wouldn't be as good as 8X crossfire but the performance difference isn't much.

Before you purchase let us know what you have selected.
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April 1, 2010 8:16:31 PM

I'm making my selections now.. but I'm still confused as to weather or not this mobo can crossfire it says:

"2 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots (green @ x16 mode, orange @ x4 mode)"

what does the color indicate meaning one slot is x16 mode and the other is x4?

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April 1, 2010 10:15:52 PM

Technically, it can Crossfire two video cards. Tom's benchmarked some Crossfire combinations a few months back though, and x16,x4 Crossfire was in some cases slower than a single card.
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April 1, 2010 10:40:49 PM

The crossfire doesn't seem to bother me much as I think I will stick to a single GPU for a long time. Here's my build I'm purchasing it tonight once I tie up the loose ends; very exciting since this is my first time.

Here's my build:


it all totals 555.90. grand total is 581.87. I had to include the hdmi cable and the keyboard ^^.

The reason or my pick of the 5670 is the directx11 support I would rather have lower performance than the 4850 than without the directx11. Even though benchmark results have the directx11 performance as poor I would still like to have this function. I'm still divided over whether to choose this or the 4850 (which is better performance wise). I just want the card to last a few years. Which one should I choose as both of those are within my budget; 4850 or the 5670?

Everything looks good to me; are there any compatibility problems or anything? I think everything is in order except my graphics card choice.

I'm also considering to replace the barracuda seagate HDD for this samsung one seems to be much faster:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N...
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April 2, 2010 2:36:07 AM

Build seems excellent except for the video card. And yes, the Samsung Spintpoint F3 is faster, get it.

4850 will crush the 5670. The 5670 probably won't even be able to play any DX11 games at reasonable settings any way, so forget about DX11.

Only thing that's better about the 5670 is that it uses less power and less heat. That's it.
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April 2, 2010 2:53:38 AM

Thanks, for recommending me everything but like I said I think the directx11 is the X factor in my decision.

Many people says the time to invest in a directx11 card is now. Even though games are going slower than expected.

I want to hear your opinon as I only have a short time to order this.
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April 2, 2010 3:01:39 AM

The time to invest in DX11 is now, however that card couldn't run a DX11 game if its life depended on it. DX11 video cards are the 5770's and up. All the others will have tons of struggle in playing DX11 games at medium or lower settings.
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April 2, 2010 3:06:34 AM

whitefang said:
The time to invest in DX11 is now, however that card couldn't run a DX11 game if its life depended on it. DX11 video cards are the 5770's and up. All the others will have tons of struggle in playing DX11 games at medium or lower settings.


So I think I would stick with the 4850 for now and wait until I can invest into a 5770 ^^.

here's my final build with all the peripherals and everything:



I'm also adding this hdmi cable:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

So everything totals to $593.89 w/ shipping its like 621$

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April 2, 2010 4:07:51 AM

Excellent, and you probably wouldn't want to invest in a 5770 as the 4850 isn't that much worst then a 5770.

The next step up would be a 5850/5870
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April 2, 2010 4:11:09 AM

Thanks, I've already ordered!
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April 2, 2010 5:47:14 PM

Best answer selected by hotshizzle.
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