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April 1, 2010 1:29:18 AM

Here is my gaming rig with an approx $2k limit. CPU: i7-930 MOBO: G-B EX58-UD3R VGA: ASUS 5870 (3yr warranty ftw). NOTE: I plan to add another 5870 in the future. HARD DRVIE: Samsung SATA 1TB RAM: 6G Kit DDR3 1600 G.Skill NQ POWER SUPPLY: Corsair TX750 ODD: SATA LiteOn Sony CASE: Coolermaster RC-690 CPU HSF: Noctura NH-U12P-SE2 SDD: is it worth getting one for a gaming rig? 1) What do you think? 2) What would you add or change?

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April 1, 2010 1:41:26 AM

for about 2K this is what i would buy



Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B - OEM
Item #: N82E16827118030
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
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Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info)
• 1 year: $6.99
• 2 year: $11.99
$24.99
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COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811119160
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$159.98
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Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148433
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$89.99
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SAPPHIRE 100281-3SR Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16814102883
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
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Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info)
• 1 year: $35.99
• 2 year: $59.99
-$40.00 Instant
$429.99
$389.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mushkin Enhanced Redline 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 998805 - Retail
Item #: N82E16820226121
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant
$259.99
$249.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116754
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy
$99.99
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COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16835103065
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$34.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


• ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131614
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
• Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Model BX80601930 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115225
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
-$25.00 Combo
$604.98
$579.98
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UBISOFT Assassin’s Creed II – PC Digital Download, Gift with Intel Purchase - Retail
Item #: N82E16800992041
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
-$59.99 Saving
$59.99
$0.00
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• Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - Retail
Item #: N82E16820167023
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
• OCZ Z Series Gold OCZZ850M 850W ATX12V 2.3/ EPS12V 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817341026
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$125.00 Instant
-$20.00 Combo
$30.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$539.98
$394.98
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DANE-ELEC 2GB MicroSD Flash Card w/ SD Adapter Model DA-2IN1-02G-R - Retail
Item #: N82E16820157038
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$5.25 Saving
$5.25
$0.00
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Subtotal: $2,024.88
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April 1, 2010 5:05:33 AM

Man! ... I'm gonna give my 955/KingstonNOW another look.


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April 1, 2010 7:28:10 PM

With $2,000, here's what I would build:

CPU: i7-930 $295
Mobo: Asus P6X58D Premium $310
RAM: G.Skill Pi Series 3x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $175
GPU: HD 5970 $700
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $90
PSU: OCZ Z Series 850W 80+ Gold $200
Case: HAF 922 $90
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $20
HSF (if OC): Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $35
OS: Windows 7 Home 64-bit OEM $100

Total: $2,015. Any build on a budget above $1,400 is just wrong if it doesn't have a 5970 in it...

EDIT: Had to adjust the build. They removed some of my combos...
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April 1, 2010 8:29:00 PM

+1 /\ to MadAdmiral- spending 2k without a 5970 is LOCO.
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April 1, 2010 9:17:37 PM


Well ... I never thot I'd be arguing with the Brass but I can see several sane motives for not including a 5970 in a Top Build.

First .. doh! ... Price ... Yeah ... $250+ more than the *most* expensive 5870

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=P...

Second .. You can do fun things in Hi-Rez with a 5870 ... NO ?!? ... And ... even a wealthy fps fanatic might want to "perch upon" a 5870, for awhile, just to buy some time and see what the future holds ... Crossfire will be an option, as would scrappage. ... Meanwhile ... just coast at Hi-Rez and see what unfolds.

Piling all the way in to a 5970 is something like buying an i7 extreme ... there is a "Sweet Spot" somewhare (even for GPUs) and I don't think that cost-performance sweet-spot is at the very top of the food-chain.

. . . Just to debate ... ... I was going to say "+1 agree" but, then, I thought about what you guys are saying ... Nice ... sure ... but will depreciate more steeply than a 5870 ... not to mention the initial outlay.

= Al = (obviously trollin' for a trouncin ' ... But I do have a point.)

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April 1, 2010 9:43:07 PM

Depreciation doesn't matter here. You won't need to replace the card for the life of the build. BY the time the 5970 is too weak to play the new games (if that ever happens), you'll be looking at replacing the entire build.

Besides, if you look at what the 5970 technically is, it's a great deal. Seeing as it's two 5870 GPUs on one card, it's $700 cost is a steal compared to the $800+ it would cost for two 5870s.
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April 1, 2010 10:07:33 PM

MadAdmiral said:
Any build on a budget above $1,400 is just wrong if it doesn't have a 5970 in it...


I hate disagreeing with you Mad, the 5970 is a waste of money. The only reason to buy one would be to run the higher resolutions supported by Eyefinity, but there in lies the real problem with the 5970. Due to it's limited RAM, it suffers from the same micro-stuttering that the 4970x2 did at higher resolutions.

If you're that hungry for graphics power wait for the 5970 Eyefinity 6. It'll have access to 2GB of ram and should help alleviate the stuttering issues.

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April 1, 2010 11:11:59 PM

MadAdmiral said:
With $2,000, here's what I would build:

CPU: i7-930 $295
Mobo: Asus P6X58D Premium $310
RAM: G.Skill Pi Series 3x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $175
GPU: HD 5970 $700
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $90
PSU: OCZ Z Series 850W 80+ Gold $200
Case: HAF 922 $90
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $20
HSF (if OC): Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $35
OS: Windows 7 Home 64-bit OEM $100

Total: $2,015. Any build on a budget above $1,400 is just wrong if it doesn't have a 5970 in it...

EDIT: Had to adjust the build. They removed some of my combos...


I don't think my build for 2K is wrong

It has a few things that your build don't and you have a GPU that is hands down the best GPU ATM but IMO would be overkill at a rez of 1920x1200 less you are trying to max crysis.

My build offers a SSD a 932 with more cooling then the 922 it also as lower CL ram if he wishes to OC hard core.

Anyways we are just trying to help the OP out and let him see different builds, and give him knowledge so he in the end can make the final call as to what he likes needs.

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April 2, 2010 12:33:56 AM

The 5970 may be overkill, but considering that by the time you'll need to upgrade it you'll be building a new computer, I think the price is worth it. Besides, when you look at what the 5970 technically is, it's a deal. The 5970 is two 5870 GPUs on one card. So you're getting the computing power of $800+ dollars for only $700. If that was done at a lower price (say with two 5770 GPUs on one card), people would call that a steal.

If you really want the CL 6 sticks, you can switch the Asus board for a Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R. It's $100 cheaper, and the main difference is that it uses a lower power phase.

And on not having an SSD, they're still too expensive. They don't offer any real performance gains. They only make computers SEEM faster. It doesn't make them ACTUALLY faster. Unless you have nothing left to spend money on, leave it out. Now if the 128 GB ones were down around $200, I might consider them useful.

As for the HAF 932 having better cooling, that might be. However, the 932 is missing many things that make the 922 better. Mainly $70 in your pocket. Besides that, the HAF 922 has better cable management, dust filters, and the ability to turn off annoying lights if you choose. The cooling differences are minimal at best.
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April 2, 2010 2:46:48 AM



It might make sense to buy a 5970 ... When full PcIe 3.0 bus rated version arrives. ..

How long will that take, Sir?

= Al =
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April 2, 2010 3:07:17 AM

Why would you need to wait? The 5970 doesn't use more than PCIe 2.0 speeds...
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April 2, 2010 3:09:50 AM


No .. 'course not ... why would it ?

What is the internal bandwidth ?

it is like two 5770s, on the bench ?

= Al =
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April 2, 2010 8:43:28 AM

Once it goes across the PCIe lanes to access the main memory, the performance penalty can be over an order of magnitude, negating the need for GPU acceleration. The previous GeForce and Quadro generation had this advantage due to its wide buses. This problem will remain until the GPUs link directly to CPUs via QPI or HyperTransport rather than over slow PCIe links with high latency.
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