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April 2, 2010 4:26:11 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (Within next two weeks) BUDGET RANGE: ($1800.00 to $2300.00) / After Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: ( Mostly gaming but some surfing the internet, editing home movies, Email
Photo Editing)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: ( keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: (newegg.com, TigerDirect) COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: (USA)

PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type ( I would like to use an Intel I7 930 CPU & ASUS mobo with a 24" LCD and a big Mid or full tower case)

OVERCLOCKING: Yes but not extreme

SLI: Yes

MONITOR RESOLUTION: (Samsung SyncMaster 22 inch, 1680x1050 Reusing current monitor)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I would like a very quiet but fairly high end Gaming PC. Looking to Over Clock CPU to 3.5 to 4 Gig with air. I want to run SLI. This will be my second build, So I'm not a complete Newbie but definitely not a pro either. I only upgrade about every 5 or 6 years. Please advise on my choices. I'm still undecided about the CPU Cooler, Case and Video Card. So I am keenly interested in those area's. This is also my move from IDE to SATA and RAID, hense the IDE to SATA Converter items. Also concerned if my choices are over kill in some area's or not.

PC BUILD 2010

CPU: ……………..
Intel Core i7 930 Processor BX80601930 - 2.80GHz, 8MB L3 Cache, 4.8GT/s QPI, HyperThreading, Quad Core, Bloomfield, LGA 1366, Retail, Fan
Item Number: I69-0930
Model: BX80601930
Price: $299.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

CPU COOLER: ……………
Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler - 140x140x25mm, i5, i7, 775, AM2
Item Number: N126-1024
Model: NH-14
Price: $89.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

THERMAL GREASE: ……………
Arctic Silver ACN-60ML (2-PC-SET) Thermal material Remover & Surface Purifier – OEM
Item: N82E16835100010
Price: $7.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOTHER BOARD: …………..
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item Number: N82E16813131365
Model: P6T Deluxe V2
Price: $289.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

POWER SUPPLY: …………………..
Ultra X4 850-Watt Modular Power Supply - 135mm Fan, ATX, Lifetime Warranty, 80+ Silver, NVIDIA SLI & ATI Crossfire Certifications.
Item Number: U12-40503
Model: U12-40503
Price: $199.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

Hard Drive: …………………..
Western Digital WD1001FALS Caviar Black Hard Drive - 1TB, 7200 RPM, 32MB, SATA-300
Item Number: TSD-1000WD
Model: WD1001FALS
Price: $94.99 (Two of these)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...


RAM:
Corsair Core i7 Dominator 6GB PC12800 DDR3 RAM - Tri Channel, 1600MHz, 6144MB (3 x 2048MB), DHX
Item Number: C13-2048
Model: TR3X6G1600C8D
Price: $ 229.99 (Rebate: $20.00)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...


Video Card: …………………..
BFG BFGEGTX260MC896OCDE GeForce GTX 260 896MB OverClocked MAXCORE 2 Pack SLI Bundle - (2) BFG GeForce GTX 260 OC MAXCORE Video Cards
Item Number: B52-0270
Model: BFGEGTX260MC896OCDE (2)
Price: $389.99 (Bundle of 2 cards for SLI)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

EVGA GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 SSC Video Card - 896MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0 x16, SLI, Dual DVI, FREE Batman: Arkham Asylum Game Download
Item Number: E145-02673
Model: 896P31258AR GAME BUNDLE
Price: $219.99 each (2 of these)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

Computer Case: …………………..
Cooler Master HAF 932 Full Tower Black Case (Tiger Direct)
Item Number: C283-1187
Model: RC-932-KKN1-GP
Price: $138.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case – Retail
Item Number: C283-1223
Model: RC-922M-KKN1-GP
Price: $99.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

CD DRIVES:
Samsung SH-S223L/BEBS DVDRW Internal Drive - DVD+R 22X, DVD+RW 8X, DVD-RW 6X, DVD-RAM 12X, CD-R 48X, SATA, LightScribe (OEM)
Item Number: S203-8566 OEM
Model: SH-S223L / BEBS
Price: $27.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

Lite-On IHAS424-98 Internal DVD Writer - DVD+R 24X, DVD-R 24X, DVD+RW 8X, DVD-RW 6X, Lightscribe
Item Number: L12-1350
Model: IHAS424-98
Price: $29.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

IDE To SATA Data Converter: …………………..

SABRENT USB-DSC5 Serial ATA (SATA) or IDE 2.5" and 3.5" to USB 2.0 Cable Converter Adapter - Retail
Item Number: N82E16812156017
Brand: Sabrent
Model: USB-DSC5
Price: $19.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ultra USB 2.0 to IDE/SATA Cable for 2.5-Inch/ 3.5-Inch / 5.25-Inch Drive with Power Adapter
Item Number: ULT40112
Model: ULT40112
Price: $24.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

Computer Operating System: …………………..
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64BIT Operating System Software - OEM DVD
Item Number: M17-7306
Model: FQC-00765
Price: $149.99 (No MS Tech Support)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

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April 2, 2010 4:49:32 AM

^ hi...the parts you have selected are of high quality but you should look at other alternatives too...
1. Graphics card - IMO GTX 260 SLI now is not an good idea...Did you read the news that Nvidia has launched GTX 470 and GTX 480 and will be available on 12th April to the consumers ?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

I would suggest you to get those or even better check out the ATI HD 5850/ HD 5870...these offer very good performance comparable to those cards for less and consume far less power and run cooler too...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

And for that resolution, any of the above cards in single card config would suffice to run games at max settings...

2. Mobo - There are newer mobos with better features...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

3. And instead of getting 2 drives, why not get a SSD for OS and apps and 1TB for others ? you will get faster boot times and apps will load faster...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4. PSUs - Equally good for less...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

5. RAM - Dominators cheaper here...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Other good alternatives...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 2, 2010 1:39:38 PM

I'm seconding the above, but I'm going to disagree with the 5850/5870. I'd go with the 5970, assuming you want to get a higher resolution monitor in the near future. I also wouldn't get a SSD yet. They're too expensive.

CPU/RAM: i7-930 and G.Skill Pi Series 3x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $460
Mobo: Asus P6X58D Premium $310
GPU: HD 5970 $700
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $90
PSU: OCZ Z Series 850W 80+ Gold $200
Case: HAF 922 $90
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $20
HSF: Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $35

Total: $1,905 ($2,005 w/ OS).

Or if you're not planning on a new monitor soon:

GPU: HD 5870 $400
Monitor: Asus 23" 1080p $180 after rebate
Rest is the same

Total: $1,785. Possibly stick in a small SSD. Or just save the extra money.

@gkay: The link to the first PSU is gone. And did you mean to link to the Mushkin 1866 mhz CL 7 sticks for $230 or did you mean the Mushkin 1600 mhz CL 6 sticks?
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April 2, 2010 8:26:57 PM

I've been looking into a very similar rig as is introduced by madadmiral. However, I'm going to wait till the end of the month and see how the amd thuban benchmarks, as it looks to be priced around 300 (like the i7-930) ... something to consider.
April 2, 2010 9:21:17 PM

CPU - Solid Choice

HS - Top end performer though 3 pound weight is a bit scary....also not the easiest choice installation wise.

MoBo - Updated version of venerable consensus top board .... still, I'd opt for P6X58D

TIM - Wanna wait a year for your TIM to "break in" ?
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

Here is the Arctic Silver 5 recommended cure time instruction from the manufacturers web site:

Due to the unique shape and sizes of the particles in Arctic Silver 5's conductive matrix, it will take a up to 200 hours and several thermal cycles to achieve maximum particle to particle thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum conductivity. (This period will be longer in a system without a fan on the heatsink or with a low speed fan on the heatsink.) On systems measuring actual internal core temperatures via the CPU's internal diode, the measured temperature will often drop 2C to 5C over this "break-in" period. This break-in will occur during the normal use of the computer as long as the computer is turned off from time to time and the interface is allowed to cool to room temperature. Once the break-in is complete, the computer can be left on if desired.

So by my estimation of this statement it would take almost a year of normal use to properly cure the AC5 compound, or almost nine days of continuous power cycles to meet their recommendation


I'm using the following if you want something to compare against:

Heat Sink - Megahalems w/ IC Diamond TIM and twin Scythe PWMfans (make sure ya MoBo can handle the fan wattage). ($65 for the HS, $7 for TIM, $11 each for two PWM fans and $7 for a Y cable splitter).
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8807/cpu-pro-01/Proli...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7038/thr-41/Innovatio...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10026/fan-639/Scythe_...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8418/cab-150/FrozenCP...

Look at th top 3 or 4 here:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Heatsinks
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSI...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

pick a TIM from the top few here:
http://www.hwreviewlabs.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/therma...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...


PSU - Would suggest HX850, XFX Black or CP-850 (CP won't go in HAF tho)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

For comparison purposes , the list below contains performance ratings (10 scale) at jonnyguru.com / prices as per newegg on 02/21/2010 and ones w/ double asterisks (**) made it onto silentpcreview.com's Editor's Choice List meaning they excelled at both electronic and acoustic performance:


Antec SG-850 - 10.0 ($220) **
Antec CP-850 - 10.0 ($110) **
XFX 850W Black Edition 10.0 ($185)
Corsair HX850 850W - 10.0 ($180)

Antec TruePower Quattro (TPQ-850) - 9.5 ($150)
Corsair TX850 - 9.5 ($140)
Seasonic M12D 850W - 9.5 (NLA) **
NorthQ Giant Connector 850W - 9.5 (NFS)
Etasis ET850 - 9.5 (NLA)
Silverstone Zeus ST85ZF - 9.5 (NLA)

Enermax Revolution 85+ 850W - 9.0 ($250)

Thrmaltake Toughpower XT 850W - 8.5 ($216)
OCZ Z Series 850W - 8.5 ($200)

NorthQ Black Magic Flex 850W - 8.0 (NFS)
Coolmax CTG-850 - 8.0 (NFS)

SilverStone Decathlon DA850 - 7.5 ($230)
Enermax Galaxy DXX 850W EGX850EWL - 7.5 (NFS)

SilverStone Strider ST85F - 7.0

Silverstone Element ST85EF 850W - 6.0


NFS - Not For Sale / NLA = No Longer Available

Hard Drives - Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The 2 TB WD Black and XT from Seagate are good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):

(http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)

WD has a new 1 TB 500 GB per platter drive out but I have not yet seen a review.

GFX Cards - The 260 was a solid choice over the 5770 when they were both $155. Now the 260 is now $215. The 5850 is a solid choice at $305.....the 470 scores even higher tho on a price / performance basis having the best DX11 performance at high settings across the board on a dollars per frame basis assuming a selling price = MSRP....I'd wait 10 days and see how things shake out before making a decision.

RAM - I'd avoid the high dominators HS's for fear of interference w/ HS and that's lotta money for CAS 8....CAS 6 memory is in that neighborhood.
April 2, 2010 10:33:29 PM

The WD 1 TB 500 GB platter drive is a tad faster than the Seagate, but I haven't seen a benchmark compared to the Samsung. The Samsung is a little faster than the Seagate anyway, so they might be about equal. However, the WD is $30 more expensive.
April 4, 2010 2:15:46 AM

First of all I would like to thank those folks who responded to my post. I found your advise very helpful and solid information. As a result of reviewing all the very helpful input everyone provided I have changed my build list.

Opted to go with the MOBO to the newer Asus P6X58D Premium board.
Changed the HS to the Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B CPU Cooler and added 2 Noctua NF-P12-1300 120mm CPU Cooler fans to stap to it. I did review the other fan recommendation but after finding that the Nactua ran at 19db at 1300 RPM and the other at 31db, opted for the Noctua fans.
Reviewed the HD recommendations but I stuck with the WD drives as the reliability reviews for Seagate scared me a little. I've had 4 WD hard drives and have yet to have one fail.
Changed up my choices for CD Drives, not much different than my previous choices though.
Decided on the HAF 922 case.
I also opted for the new EVGA SuperClocked 012-P3-1472-AR GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 Video card but I have a real bad feeling about that decision. Just like you never want to buy the first car of a new model, I hope buying the first run of a new video card is better but I'm thinking I will have driver issues and maybe hardware issue with this first run card.
Reviewing my RAM choice was really a hard choice. Everyone offered some good advise. I did end up going with the Corsair brand as I have always had good luck with that brand. I did however change it to a better speed and latency with a low profile heat sink to get away from conflicting with the HS tower. I think this should be a really good system.
One additional question. With the HAF 922 and the Megahalem set up, will I have room inside the case for the option 200mm side case fan on the 922?
Again, Thanks for all the great adivise.

So my build list now looks like this.
CPU: ……………..
Intel Core i7 930 Processor BX80601930 - 2.80GHz, 8MB L3 Cache, 4.8GT/s QPI, HyperThreading, Quad Core, Bloomfield, LGA 1366, Retail, Fan
Item Number: I69-0930
Model: BX80601930
Price: $294.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU COOLER: ……………
Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B CPU Cooler - Retail
Item Number: N82E16835242001
Model: Megahalems Rev.B
Price: $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU COOLER FANS:
Noctua NF-P12-1300 120mm CPU Cooler and Case Fan - Retail
Item Number: N82E16835608004
Model: NF-P12-1300
Price: $22.29 (Two of these)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

THERMAL GREASE: ……………
Arctic Silver ACN-60ML (2-PC-SET) Thermal material Remover & Surface Purifier – OEM
Item: N82E16835100010
Price: $7.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOTHER BOARD: …………..
ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item Number: N82E16813131614
Model: P6X58D Premium
Price: $309.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

POWER SUPPLY: …………………..
CORSAIR CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply – Retail
Item Number: N82E16817139011
Model: CMPSU-850HX
Price: $169.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive: …………………..
Western Digital WD1001FALS Caviar Black Hard Drive - 1TB, 7200 RPM, 32MB, SATA-300
Item Number: N82E16822136284
Model: WD1001FALS
Price: $94.99 (Two of these)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:
CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C7 G - Retail
Item Number: N82E16820145250
Model: TR3X6G1333C7 G
Price: $ 209.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card: …………………..
EVGA SuperClocked 012-P3-1472-AR GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Retail
Item Number: N82E16814130549
Model: 012-P3-1472-AR
Price: $379.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Computer Case: …………………..
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item Number: N82E16811119197
Model: RC-922M-KKN1-GP
Price: $89.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CD DRIVES: .......................
SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner LightScribe Support - OEM
Item Number: N82E16827151188
Model: SH-S223L
Price: $24.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HP Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA 24X Multiformat DVD Writer - Retail
Item Number: N82E16827140042
Model: 1260i
Price: $29.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

IDE To SATA Data Converter: …………………..
Cables to Go USB 2.0 to IDE or Serial-ATA Drive Adapter, Black
Item Number: C184-30504
Model: 30504
Price: $24.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Computer Operating System: …………………..
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64BIT Operating System Software - OEM DVD
Item Number: M17-7306
Model: FQC-00765
Price: $149.99 (No MS Tech Support)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

1366 Build Price: $1992.33 HAF 922 Case
April 4, 2010 2:33:13 AM

So your reusing old ide hard drives? I would move all your data to the new drives using sata because that will really slow down your computer.

Do you live remotely close to a microcenter? They have the i7 930 for $200. (i7 920 for $170!) Realistically the i7 920 and i7 930 will overclock basically the same. It really is just the luck of the chip imo.

I would highly recommend a SSD with your setup. Do you really need 2tb of space? I would use the money on one of those and get a SSD for your OS. Trust me, a SSD is the best upgrade you can buy for a system and with your budget you shouldn't think twice about it.


I would stay clear of the gtx 470 unless your set on going with nvidia. The 5870 performs better for only $20 more.

Take a look at the H50 cooler by Corsair. With a push/pull config it will easily beat Trues/Megas.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1025/6/

Since your overclocking and want 3.6 to 4ghz I would get DDR3 1600 RAM or higher if you want to push 4.2-4.4 :p 

The fans you choose are good, but they are pretty expensive. Take a look at the Scythe-Sflex fans.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
I think the 1600rpm one is the best. I can't hear it over my psu fan.
April 5, 2010 9:27:41 PM

cory1234 said:
The 5870 performs better for only $20 more.


Cheapest 5870 on newegg is $399.99 ....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Nice ladder they have going .....

5850 + $50-60 gets you a 470

470 + $50-60 gets you a 5870

4870 + $80-100 gets you a 480

Nice progression up until that point.....the $200 premium for the 5970 tho is still a bit much.

Of course, until we see actual units on sale, it's all guesswork at this point.
April 5, 2010 11:41:14 PM

Frankly, I'm not even considering the nVidia cards as contenders right now. They're just too expensive, too hot, use too much power and don't give you enough performance.

Also, the 5970 is expensive, but that price premium is worth it. Since the card is two 5870 GPUs on one card (albeit downclocked slightly), you're getting $800+ worth of graphics processing power for only $700. I consider that a good value (assuming you can afford it).
April 6, 2010 12:18:57 AM

Is that syncmaster monitor you have 120hz? I can understand why you want nvidia if it is.
April 7, 2010 12:11:11 AM

MadAdmiral said:
Frankly, I'm not even considering the nVidia cards as contenders right now. They're just too expensive, too hot, use too much power and don't give you enough performance.

Also, the 5970 is expensive, but that price premium is worth it. Since the card is two 5870 GPUs on one card (albeit downclocked slightly), you're getting $800+ worth of graphics processing power for only $700. I consider that a good value (assuming you can afford it).


At the last minute I reconsidered the graphics card and ordered a XFX 5870 card. I just didn't want to deal with the issues I might have with the Nvidia 470. I did look at the 5970 but it was just a little over what I wanted to spend on a video card. I think the 5870 will work for me just fine and it already supports DX 11. other than this change my order went in the same as my revised build list I posted. So for about $2150.00 I should have a pretty darn good system.
April 9, 2010 4:06:15 AM

MadAdmiral said:
Frankly, I'm not even considering the nVidia cards as contenders right now. They're just too expensive, too hot, use too much power and don't give you enough performance.

Also, the 5970 is expensive, but that price premium is worth it. Since the card is two 5870 GPUs on one card (albeit downclocked slightly), you're getting $800+ worth of graphics processing power for only $700. I consider that a good value (assuming you can afford it).


I find it interesting that in October when the 5970 came out the $465 GTX 295 was "too expensive" and somehow when the 5970 came out $700 isn't ...and at $100 over MSRP.

The 470 outperforms the 5850 and the 5970's performance is akin to two 5850s in crossfire.....now since the 470 scales so much better in SLI according to all the reviews than than the ATI cards do, I am real anxious to see just how the two $700 options 5970 and twin 470's stack up against each other.

Certainly, the power and heat issues are real if your case and PSU can't handle them but certainly no great change over then 4870x2. Lots of things in the mix, Eyefinity, CUDA, PhysX, GPGPU computing, etc which makes it interesting that you have to weigh a lot of options before making a decision. WHat's the right choice for one dude will not be the right one for another.

I won't be making any selections till summer which is a good thing because as an AutoCAD user, ATI simply is not an option because of its 2D GFX problems which are supposed to be fixed in 10.4 By summer, I expect things will shake out, prices will change (ATI definitely won't let nVidia retain the lowest dollars per frame titles) and, I expect, a few more surprises will pop outta both the red and green hats.
April 9, 2010 12:23:04 PM

The reason the 295 is too expensive is that it's not as good of a performer compared to what you could have. Instead of paying $465 for the 295, you could pay less and get the 5870 that will perform the same or better. Also, with the budget needed for the 295, you could likely make some cuts and afford the 5970 which totally outclasses it.

The problem with the 470 in SLI is that it requires so much power and generates so much heat that very few systems will be able to handle it. So I don't see it as a real viable alternative. Also, seeing as the 5970 may act as two 5850s at stock, it's technically two 5870s. That means it has higher potential than dual 470s.

There are reasons to choose nVidia. However, none of them affect gamers to a big extent. All of the special things nVidia cards do isn't really used in games much. So why buy a more expensive card that jacks up the power bill and turns the computer to molten lava when you don't get anything out of it? I just don't see how the 4xx cards are supposed to appeal to gamers...
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