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February 17, 2013 10:09:39 AM

Hello community!

I am seeking your help with my proposed water cooling setup
I wish to water cooling my crossfire 7970 and my AMD fx-8350 the water blocks are XSPC razor 7970 water blocks and the CPU water block is the XSPC Raystorm.
I am asking which aquarium water chiller would be good for my needs and if it could be below $550.
I found some on this site!
http://thereefshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=index&cPa...

One which I looked at was the
http://thereefshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_i...

I live in Australia so please try and suggest things from sites or places that I can get the product or products from without importing.
Thanks in advance!
a c 176 K Overclocking
February 17, 2013 10:34:56 AM

You are aware that a typical water loop doesn't involve refrigeration at all?

If you are and want refrigeration as an experiment or are just a performance junkie, I suggest reading through this. It explores a lot of the issues and such around making a chilled water loop. In Ryans case, he was using ice and now Peltiers to achieve it, but its the same general concept.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/275185-29-exploring-a...

May also want to read through this thread, Moto has done a similar thing with his loop.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/279524-29-chiller-pro...

On a chilled water loop, radiators are counter productive, as they bring the water temperature to ambient, which is higher than what your looking for. So you will need a refrigeration unit that can directly offset the TDP (heat output) of the components in the loop, make sure of that.
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a c 224 K Overclocking
February 17, 2013 1:57:06 PM

@manofchalk: Thank You! :) 

To the OP: I considered going the aquarium water chiller route myself but couldn't find one that fully covered my needs that was priced low enough to take a chance on.

The problem that enters the picture is if you're considering this type water chilling cooling to offset overclocking heat or even stock heat, the fish do not add the heat to the water like overclocked CPUs and even stock clocked GPUs do, and the chiller has got to be able to overcome the heat.

The aquarium chiller may work great for your needs IDK, I personally did not want to take a chance regarding that much money for something that may fall short of what I actually needed.

I looked at everything available including the very model you've linked.

From my research, the negative sides are operation noise, electrical load, heat exhaust into the room, and can it counter a constant added heat load.

If you decide to go this cooling route it will be interesting to see your progress so others can learn if this works or not.

Consider this; All of the experimentation I have done to this point regarding peltier/TEC cooling that "manofchalk" has linked has cost me approximately what that one water chiller will cost you.

And my present in operation TEC box allows overclocked CPU water temperatures around 15c below ambient room temperature without condensation being a problem.

There it is!
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a c 190 K Overclocking
February 17, 2013 2:06:42 PM

Well isn't this nice?
Seems like theres more and more folks going W/c crazy lately Ry, our numbers are growing :) 
Cheers for the nod chalk, and yes, I'm available for comments/help if I can assist in any way Bobby
You need to consider the options carefully there,
the one you linked is designed to chill up to 1000L, but to what temperature?
and given that a W/c loop is normally 1-2L, what will be the result of such an overkill chiller? freezing is my best guess unless your heat output is sufficient to counteract the power of the chiller,
I'd look at the 300L ranges as even they are going to have a lot of headroom for a small loop,
there are a lot of things to consider and you would be well advised to thoroughly read Ryan's thread and glean a few pointers first :) 
Mines just a wierd modding thing hehe, not as applied as Ryans is
Moto
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a c 224 K Overclocking
February 17, 2013 2:30:34 PM

@Moto

With the market being flooded with CLC water coolers, and Big Air Coolers with none of them actually capable of cooling the overclocked CPUs and GPUs well enough to allow some of the traditional overclockers conservative dreams of reaching.

There is a curiosity search beginning for a better way of doing it, to keep the 24/7 overclock running as cool as possible.

These are not extreme overclockers demanding extreme results, just overclockers looking for that additional elusive clock mhz that they just cannot seem to reach, because heat will not allow it.

In the old days we were elated with a 25mhz ~ 50mhz overclock, but today we feel cheated if we cannot reach a 1ghz overclock, and that is far from whats possible using extreme overclocking.

I think we will eventually see many more joining the crazy club, Moto!

Ry
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a c 224 K Overclocking
February 17, 2013 2:47:23 PM

Mr_Bobby0112 said:
Hello community!

I am seeking your help with my proposed water cooling setup
I wish to water cooling my crossfire 7970 and my AMD fx-8350 the water blocks are XSPC razor 7970 water blocks and the CPU water block is the XSPC Raystorm.
I am asking which aquarium water chiller would be good for my needs and if it could be below $550.
I found some on this site!
http://thereefshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=index&cPa...

One which I looked at was the
http://thereefshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_i...

I live in Australia so please try and suggest things from sites or places that I can get the product or products from without importing.
Thanks in advance!


For information like the temperature range the chiller is capable of maintaining is kinda lame from the Hailea Website.

http://www.hailea.com/e-hailea/product1/HC-500A.htm#.htm

You'll get a lot more useful information regarding the chillers capabilities here.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=32957

And actually in use here.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cooling/2010/07/20/hailea-hc-500a-water-chiller-review/1

This will give you a solid idea of what you'll be getting into but do keep in mind it was written over 2 1/2 years ago, and the authors negativity towards TEC cooling does not take into consideration the TECs available today, but his thorough testing of the water chiller and how they used it is covered very nicely.

If you actually do this please keep us informed and share your progress and everything you learn from it?
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February 17, 2013 10:49:04 PM

Thanks for the replys guys!

Yes i understand that a normal watercooling loop doesnt contain a water chiller as i have made a small loop before.
The aquarium water chillers only need to chill the water by a couple of degrees so my crossfire 7970 and my FX-8350 may be too hot for the lower range water chillers, thats why i was looking at the more powerful ones.
I have read the pages you guys have suggest me to look at and i have read these before, so thats nothing new.
I guess when i build it and if it sucks ill just return the chiller and say there it was a faulty product.

Thanks all!
Bob
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a c 190 K Overclocking
February 17, 2013 11:46:18 PM

No, the better approach if it sucks is to find out why, and keep going :-)
Moto
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February 18, 2013 12:23:10 AM

Motopsychojdn said:
No, the better approach if it sucks is to find out why, and keep going :-)
Moto


Haha yeah,
What i meant is if it doesnt have enough power to cool my componets ill return it and get a more powerful one.
I hope that when i put all this together it will work perfectly and cool more computer so my graphic cards dont get to 80 degrees C

Bob

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a c 190 K Overclocking
February 18, 2013 2:20:17 AM

A cheaper option may be a radbox, my cards run at 39'c after a few hours of Crysis, same temp as my chip :-)
Moto
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February 18, 2013 7:10:09 AM

Motopsychojdn said:
A cheaper option may be a radbox, my cards run at 39'c after a few hours of Crysis, same temp as my chip :-)
Moto


Any links to a radbox build log?

I think ill just do that then lol
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a c 190 K Overclocking
February 18, 2013 1:05:26 PM

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/274180-11-psycho-ri...
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/272443-11-asus-6950...
Heres mine, you can buy premade frames from various folks online but I prefer to make things myself and the second link is my cards
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February 18, 2013 8:05:55 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/274180-11-psycho-ri...
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/272443-11-asus-6950...
Heres mine, you can buy premade frames from various folks online but I prefer to make things myself and the second link is my cards
Moto


Wow Moto yours looks epic!
I think ill make a radbox considering it will be cheaper and would be fun!
Thanks Moto when i build it ill make a build log about it!

Bob
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February 18, 2013 8:06:14 PM

Best answer selected by Mr_Bobby0112.
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a c 190 K Overclocking
February 19, 2013 3:03:58 PM

Cheers man, always nice to get praise hehe
Pm me when you start and I'll help anyhow I can
and thank you for B.a.
Moto
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a c 224 K Overclocking
February 19, 2013 3:39:44 PM

Mr_Bobby0112 said:
Haha yeah,
What i meant is if it doesnt have enough power to cool my componets ill return it and get a more powerful one.
I hope that when i put all this together it will work perfectly and cool more computer so my graphic cards dont get to 80 degrees C

Bob


Mr_Bobby0112 said:
Any links to a radbox build log?

I think ill just do that then lol


Mr_Bobby0112 said:
Wow Moto yours looks epic!
I think ill make a radbox considering it will be cheaper and would be fun!
Thanks Moto when i build it ill make a build log about it!

Bob


From an Aquarium Water Chiller to a RadBox, just that quick! Bummer :pfff: 

So much for researching it for you. :heink: 

Now I've got to take my popcorn and party hats back! :cry: 

I thought you were going for the gold ring Bob!

Oh Well! (Skuffs feet and walks off)
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a c 190 K Overclocking
February 19, 2013 4:08:15 PM

Yeah but you know how this goes Ry,
In six months time he'll be looking at a TEC plate in his hand going 'Hmmm...'
And you know yourself Radboxes are an awesome invention with great results
:p 
Moto
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a c 224 K Overclocking
February 19, 2013 5:34:34 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
Yeah but you know how this goes Ry,
In six months time he'll be looking at a TEC plate in his hand going 'Hmmm...'
And you know yourself Radboxes are an awesome invention with great results
:p 
Moto


So you're saying in 6 months he'll be buying again?

There's nothing worse than spending a chunk of money sure at the time it will be sufficient, then suffer the overclocking reality check!

Yeah RadBoxs are good, I wouldn't go as far as to say great, (I have one you know.), because they're still an above ambient cooling solution.

For some reason?, Bob was initially looking for serious cooling, why he was considering an aquarium chiller in the first place IDK.

But if it has anything to do with heat generated from overclocking, and this is the overclocking section, he may just end up seriously disappointed with a RadBox.

RadBoxs do limit your overclocking ceiling as you well know.

However if he so quickly changed his plans that drastically, I'd venture to say he really did not know what he wanted in the first place.

Maybe he has no overclocking intentions at all?

If that's the case he doesn't need any type of water cooling!

Maybe he needs to do further research.

This bad boy will best most any CLC cooling and some RadBoxs for CPU cooling

Ladies and gentlemen, Pleas stand and give recognition to:

IMO The New King of Big Air Coolers

Noctua and Phantek please move to the rear of the bus!
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a c 190 K Overclocking
February 19, 2013 6:21:20 PM

Nope, I was saying in six months time He'll be as hooked as you or I on cooling and then the slide begins hehe
Moto
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May 26, 2014 3:35:37 AM

I did a little experiment by putting my 120 rad in the kitchen sink and trickled 14.5oC water over it , i got my 4770k@4.5 and duel asus posidons gtx780 running Heaven @ 23oC just 3oC over ambient temp, No case fans running, just the nearly silent1s on the gpu`s, Really was Heaven , now i know it was a waste of water but interesting in theory :) 
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