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June 12, 2010 5:19:24 PM

Hello,
I own a pentium 4 processor 3.0ghz with l2cache which is working with gigabyte865. The hard disk have now gone kaput and so now i wish to even replace the mother board so that i will be able to use sata instead of ID.
ID 160gb comes for rs2400/- whereas sata 320gb is for rs 2400/-.
I am aware i will have to even replace my pc's ram .
MY concern is whether pentium 4 processor 3.0ghz 631 will work on which available motherboards ?
I guess P4 631
have 2mb l2cache, 775circuit/switch. but m nt sure.
Thanks

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June 13, 2010 2:17:22 AM

Hi newcomer and welcome to the Tom's hardware forum.

What mobo u have in mind to buy?
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June 13, 2010 2:32:06 AM

I don't think thats possible. The 865 chipset was a S478, while the 651 is the socket 775. Anyone else remember if the 865 supports S775 chips?

My guess is you'll have to buy all new parts. Mobo, CPU, ram and drive.
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June 13, 2010 3:08:23 AM

I'm with him^ get a new mobo and cpu... AMD is great if you're on a budget.
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June 13, 2010 3:19:19 AM

The 865 DID support LGA 775. I had 2 based on that chipset one of them I gave to my sister and is still running with a P4 530.

You are spending money on very old obsolete technology....but if you have a P4 661 it should work with basically any LGA 775 board. If you can afford it build a new system if not you can find a super cheap motherboard for ~$50.
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June 13, 2010 3:44:32 AM

Another option you have is to buy a SATA RAID Controller to go in a PCI slot. This will allow you to purchase SATA drives without having to worry about changing the Motherboard. You will also need a convertor to convert a PATA power source to a SATA power source most likely.
June 13, 2010 12:11:56 PM

Hey veteran what all super cheap motherboards can i take into consideration ??
I am totally unaware of the products available.

@ wamphyri
can u further tell me about SATA raid controller and the convertor which will convert PATA power source to SATA power source and about reliability.
June 13, 2010 12:17:26 PM

& It's 631 HT with 2mb l2cache
If you open intel's website and browse for 631 you will find it on second number from up in the discontinued list.
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June 13, 2010 2:33:49 PM

bluepoet06 said:
Hello,
I own a pentium 4 processor 3.0ghz with l2cache which is working with gigabyte865. The hard disk have now gone kaput and so now i wish to even replace the mother board so that i will be able to use sata instead of ID.
ID 160gb comes for rs2400/- whereas sata 320gb is for rs 2400/-.
I am aware i will have to even replace my pc's ram .
MY concern is whether pentium 4 processor 3.0ghz 631 will work on which available motherboards ?
I guess P4 631
have 2mb l2cache, 775circuit/switch. but m nt sure.
Thanks


There are two things I'd do in this situation:

1. Keep your current motherboard and CPU and go buy a PCI SATA controller card for US$30-40 to use new SATA HDDs. Your board is almost certainly a Socket 478 board, so the best you'd be able to upgrade your CPU to is the 3.4 GHz P4 Extreme Edition, which is difficult to find used and expensive. Newer P4s like the 631 are Socket 775 units and will not fit in your motherboard. A retail-box hard drive will contain Molex (4-pin) to SATA power adaptors, so you will be fine with powering a new SATA HDD.

2. Completely upgrade the motherboard, RAM, and CPU with inexpensive new parts. A $30 Sempron 140 is roughly twice as fast as your 3.0 GHz P4, for example. A new motherboard will have plenty of onboard SATA ports as well, allowing you to use whatever new hard drives you want.

@anort3
There were a few i865-based LGA775 boards, and many of them support Core 2 Duos. Most LGA775 i865 boards were designed to allow people upgrading from S478 P4s to keep their DDR SDRAM and AGP GPUs instead of upgrading to DDR2 SDRAM and PCIe GPUs on the 945/965/975 chipsets. Also, most newer LGA775 boards do not take NetBurst-based CPUs like P4s and Pentium Ds. The 3-series and 4-series chipsets supposedly had such support removed by Intel, so they just take Core 2-based chips. The only boards that can take any LGA775 chip are a select few 965 and 975-based boards with the requisite BIOS updates for 45 nm Core 2 Duos and the 1333 MHz FSB.
June 13, 2010 4:17:43 PM

Correct me if i am wrong.
When we check 3/4series compatibility on intel/gigabyte website it says it supports pentium 4 631 2models dont remmba exacly what wo models were they.
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June 13, 2010 7:55:12 PM

MU_Engineer said:
There are two things I'd do in this situation:

1. Keep your current motherboard and CPU and go buy a PCI SATA controller card for US$30-40 to use new SATA HDDs. Your board is almost certainly a Socket 478 board, so the best you'd be able to upgrade your CPU to is the 3.4 GHz P4 Extreme Edition, which is difficult to find used and expensive. Newer P4s like the 631 are Socket 775 units and will not fit in your motherboard. A retail-box hard drive will contain Molex (4-pin) to SATA power adaptors, so you will be fine with powering a new SATA HDD.

2. Completely upgrade the motherboard, RAM, and CPU with inexpensive new parts. A $30 Sempron 140 is roughly twice as fast as your 3.0 GHz P4, for example. A new motherboard will have plenty of onboard SATA ports as well, allowing you to use whatever new hard drives you want.

@anort3
There were a few i865-based LGA775 boards, and many of them support Core 2 Duos. Most LGA775 i865 boards were designed to allow people upgrading from S478 P4s to keep their DDR SDRAM and AGP GPUs instead of upgrading to DDR2 SDRAM and PCIe GPUs on the 945/965/975 chipsets. Also, most newer LGA775 boards do not take NetBurst-based CPUs like P4s and Pentium Ds. The 3-series and 4-series chipsets supposedly had such support removed by Intel, so they just take Core 2-based chips. The only boards that can take any LGA775 chip are a select few 965 and 975-based boards with the requisite BIOS updates for 45 nm Core 2 Duos and the 1333 MHz FSB.



He has a Pentium 4 631........it is LGA 775. The only Pentium 4s with a 2mb cache were the 6xx series. There is NO way it is socket 478.

No 865 chipset motherboard EVER had Core2 support. The first chipset with any ( unofficial ) Core2 support was the 945. You are right about the 865 / LGA 775 being for keeping existing DDR/AGP. DDR2/PCI-E support started on the 915 chipset.

You are completely wrong about new LGA 775 boards not supporting P4 5xx and 6xx series chips. I have this motherboard:

http://www.gigabyte.us/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_M...

Maybe Intel brand boards do not have support for these old processors but Gigabyte boards sure do.
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June 13, 2010 8:11:02 PM

bluepoet06 if you can afford it get rid of that P4. As you stated you will have to buy new RAM anyway and DDR3 is as cheap as DDR2 now.

If you HAVE to only replace the MB then here is a cheap option: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It DOES support your CPU ;)  http://www.gigabyte.us/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_M...

You can however for the cheapest option buy a PCI SATA card. I used to have one on the old 865 chipset boards I had and it worked great. I used it for RAID although you do not have to.

Something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It has been years since I used one so I can not really recommend a specific one but that Rosewill looks decent for the price.


If you can afford a few hundred dollars then post a budget and we can do you a cheap build with all new parts that will be many times faster than that old P4.
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June 14, 2010 1:04:18 AM

anort3 said:
He has a Pentium 4 631........it is LGA 775. The only Pentium 4s with a 2mb cache were the 6xx series. There is NO way it is socket 478.


My misunderstanding. The OP was unclear as to whether he had a P4 631 or had a different P4 3.0 and was looking to get the P4 631. I saw some other poster mention the i865 chipset and thought "Socket 478."

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No 865 chipset motherboard EVER had Core2 support. The first chipset with any ( unofficial ) Core2 support was the 945. You are right about the 865 / LGA 775 being for keeping existing DDR/AGP. DDR2/PCI-E support started on the 915 chipset.


Not quite. ASRock's ConRoe865PE was an i865-based motherboard with Core 2 support. Also, the i915 chipset could use either DDR-400 or DDR2-533. The first DDR2-only chipset from Intel was the i925X.

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You are completely wrong about new LGA 775 boards not supporting P4 5xx and 6xx series chips. I have this motherboard:

http://www.gigabyte.us/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_M...

Maybe Intel brand boards do not have support for these old processors but Gigabyte boards sure do.


I did some looking and the "NetBurst is not supported on 3-series and later chipsets" that many people (including myself) has believed all along apparently came from one of Patrick Schmid's articles here and got twisted around. Intel does not validate NetBurst CPUs for the 3- and 4-series chipsets, but vendors can provide a suitable BIOS and enable support for those CPUs if they so wish.
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