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April 3, 2010 7:03:27 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: I did not buy it yet. A friend of mine suggested computerlx.com to me because they build custom computer for you... This http://www.computerlx.com/config.aspx?t=&product_ID=123... is what I've been looking at. But, I am willing to use newegg too though to find myself parts.

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming & surfing the web basically. I want it to be a multi-use computer I guess you could say.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: I'm starting from scratch, however I have a rockwell 550 watt power supply that I could reuse maybe, maybe not. Actually, I don't need a monitor or speakers or a microphone, A keyboard and mouse would be nice if i have extra money though.
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, computerlx.com, but I am willing to check other sites as well.

PARTS PREFERENCES: As long as it is reliable and will last me long enough, I do not care.

OVERCLOCKING: Yes in the future but not at first. I don't know the difference between

MONITOR RESOLUTION: Monitor itself is 1280x1024, but I run most games in 1024x768 because of my current computer's limits.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I don't want a very, very loud PC, but It doesn't have to be silent. I have a budget of 1200 at the most. I am somewhat new to hardware so forgive me if i don't know certain things. I'm lookign at the i7 920 with probably the x58 but hey, if something is better, I'm willing to change it. Right now, I'm not running any hardcore games right now... I've been playing M&B, MMO's like Darkfall. But, I'm gonna start playing EVE again soon. But, I wouldn't pay attention to that because I plan on having this computer for 4 years with upgrades so I will be playing hardcore games by then like Arma 2. So, I want a hardcore gaming system.

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April 3, 2010 9:38:03 PM

At $1200-ish, you could easily get an x4-955 + HD5870. It's overkill at your resolution, though, so you could also consider an HD5850 and a 1080p monitor.

--Jin
April 3, 2010 9:41:16 PM

5770 will work fine for that resolution. If not you can easily fit the 5850 in. Up to you.

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*EDIT* Don't buy a prebuilt system, they usually pair you with a crappy mobo/psu and then your screwed. Also, that build doesn't have a video card. So add $200 to that price. And I'm sure the PSU they selected is crap.
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April 3, 2010 9:46:32 PM

Yep, I just checked your prebuilt system. Okia 420W power supply LOL. Couldn't even run the system if its life depended on it. They won't even you let you select a quality PSU. Sadness....

See this PSU? 500W and it's only $14. Think about how cheap the 420W version is lol...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 3, 2010 9:48:30 PM

whitefangs build looks pretty good (especially the $8 for Assassins Creed), though getting an HD 5870 may be a good idea if you can afford it and would like to end up playing high-end games. Also never buy pre-built new systems (referbs are a different story since even if you need to upgrade you can still save money)
April 3, 2010 9:51:01 PM

5870 vs the 5770 at that resolution will increase performance by so little it will be unnoticeable. if he upgrades the LCD then swap the 5850/5870 in there since my build comes $220 under budget.
April 3, 2010 9:57:37 PM

Right now it'll be unnoticeable, but once some new games come out that can tax the card enough, then you'll definitely see a difference. So if you plan on buying a new computer within a year, stick with the 5770. If not, then the HD 5870 may be worth it.

Whichever you choose, either card will be able to rip EVE to shreds. I get 30FPS on pretty much all max with an HD 4670, so you'll be perfectly fine with either for that game (or any other MMO really).

EDIT: Oh yea, i'd really consider grabbing a new monitor. Then you can dual-screen, which is a very good thing to have when playing any MMO. Plus you can also dual-box pirate in EVE :D 
April 3, 2010 10:15:27 PM

Stick with one 5770 now, when you can't play games, add another. Problem solved.
April 3, 2010 10:24:05 PM

whitefang said:
Stick with one 5770 now, when you can't play games, add another. Problem solved.

I guess that could work as well :na: 
April 3, 2010 10:34:58 PM

Alright, thanks. I edited my post for specificness by the way. So if I don't buy the video card, I would save a couple hundred bucks right? And, is that power supply good to reuse? Thanks for all your help by the way. Also, if I do stick with the 9800 gtx, would it be better to go sli later on or just upgrade it? I heard there are problems doing sli and some games don't support it.
April 3, 2010 11:05:22 PM

No it would not be good to SLI a 9800GTX, better off buying a 5850/5870 when you get a new LCD down the road.

Don't reuse your power supply, it's a crappy brand and a crappy PSU, sorry.

You could do this...



That's a very solid build. 5870 + 20" LCD.

Or switch 5870 out for 5850 and your set =)
April 3, 2010 11:08:26 PM

So which one would be best, the first build plus one of the monitors you linked or the second build? Is 1156 better than 1366? I want a computer I can upgrade for the next few years at least. Sorry for all the questions, it's just getting a new computer is a pretty big deal to me considering I have a few hundred dollar work computer thats 5 years old and has some socket 800 stuff for the cpu.
April 3, 2010 11:46:50 PM

1366 is better than 1156. Go with the first one he listed and add a monitor.
April 4, 2010 12:41:52 AM

So, is it worth getting a new monitor even with the 5770 or do i need the 5850? it's going a little over my budget, with my mouse it's at 1384 with shipping...But I think I can manage. Lastly, everything will fit right? I won't have any problems trying to get the graphics card to fit or have any cables not fit eachother? By the way, I'm playing on the Viewsonic va902b monitor. It's 19 inches and it is a LCD monitor. Do I still need a new monitor? It 05 technology though.

Alright, so since I'm gonna be basically gaming on this comp and I need more rpm...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I might go with that instead for now, any comments?

I think I'm gonna stick with my 19 inch LCD Monitor for now, I might get the 23 inch on my birthday as a gift to myself basically... Any comments?
I also want 4 gigs of ram... What's good 4 gig ram for this build?
How about this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 4, 2010 3:52:20 AM

No the Spintpoint F3 500gb is almost as fast as that raptor, No point in buying it at all.

The second build is the best as it has the 5850 + a good monitor.

However the second build cannont crossfire because it is 16x4 crossfire. You would need to spend a little more ($30-50) to get a crossfire motherboard. Then you'd really be set.
April 4, 2010 4:07:32 AM

Wow, I totally forgot with LGA1366 you have to go with 3gb/6GB. So that ups the price a little....

This is what I would get.

April 4, 2010 1:33:26 PM

whitefang said:
Wow, I totally forgot with LGA1366 you have to go with 3gb/6GB. So that ups the price a little....

This is what I would get.

http://i39.tinypic.com/t68ax0.png



Alright looks great, thanks. I'm still confused thought about what's the difference between my viewsonic va902b 19 inch LCD Monitor compared to this 20 inch one? And what's a good thermal paste? By the way that ram isn't compatible with the motherboard. What's the difference between pci express 2.0 and 2.1? Will a 2.0 motherboard work fine with a 2.1 video card?

EDIT: Alright, in order to save money, I'm going to be use my current 9800GTX until I need a better card, and the same idea with the monitor. The only things I'm stuck between is the hard drive, ram, and OS. Os I'll do Windows 7 but not sure whether 32 bit or 64 bit, that won't take long for me to decide though.

EDIT 2: Do i need a full size case for better cooling for when I OC and my most important question for this is will the graphics cards 3 years from now be able to run on 750w AND fit in this mid tower case?
April 5, 2010 1:23:07 AM

I didn't see a real cpu preference, so here's an AMD option:

CPU: X4 955 $160
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 $125 after $15 rebate
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2GB DDR3-1600 CL7 $120
HDD: Seagate ST3500418AS 7200.12 500GB $55
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 $90
PSU: Corsair CMPSU-750TX 750W 80+ $100 after $10 rebate
or above Antec 900/PSU combo
Optical: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS $24
HSF: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus $35

Total: $709 after $25 in rebates, without GPU

Your 9800GTX should be okay for now. If you want to move up to 1920x1080 gaming, get a 5850 or 5870, then a 1080p monitor now or later.

--Jin
April 5, 2010 1:28:49 AM

whitefang said:
5770 will work fine for that resolution. If not you can easily fit the 5850 in. Up to you.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2rgckuq.png'

*EDIT* Don't buy a prebuilt system, they usually pair you with a crappy mobo/psu and then your screwed. Also, that build doesn't have a video card. So add $200 to that price. And I'm sure the PSU they selected is crap.


Hey, thats almost exactly what i'm working on putting together only as a intel build, not amd. I also threw a ssd in there. Nice build.
April 5, 2010 1:33:19 AM

SSD is useless to be honest, the samsung Spinpoint F3 is just as fast.
April 5, 2010 1:39:40 AM

whitefang said:
SSD is useless to be honest, the samsung Spinpoint F3 is just as fast.


there seems to be some contention on this point. I have not tried the technology, but i wanted a very responsive system. I will be doing motly multitasking, office/internet, and music production.

alvin told me in my post to definately go SSD now to make the system responsive. I;ve read articles and seen benchmarks that confuse me even further. I cant seem to find a definative answer, so i thought id err on the side of caution.

Please let me know what your experience tells you.
April 5, 2010 2:19:04 PM

Do any of these builds have a soundcard? And I might get the 5850. and is that mobo good?

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2972/bady.png

this is my final build as of now...but I really want a video card to go with it..the 1000w i am getting to hopefully last me 3-4 years.
April 5, 2010 5:12:50 PM

The PSU is no good. Get the Corsair TX850W or TX750W, they are much much better brands.

The velociraptor to be honest wont help very much at all. I'd just lose it and put the money towards some thing more important.

You chose a 4GB ram stick with bad timings. Get 7-7-7-21 timings and get 6GB because that mobo is Tri-channel (3x2GB)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You will never use 1000W power in all your life, as technology advances we will use less power, not more. Stick to 750-850W. Even 850W is way overkill.

You want to get 3x2GB ram, and get the lowest timing ram. The one I selected is 7-7-7-20

The velociraptor won't help at all to be honest. The Spinpoint F3 is just as fast, I would ditch it and put the money towards a GPU.

Mobo and processor are perfect. Cooling is perfect, HD is perfect, dvd is perfect. Case is a preference although I would go with the haf 922.

April 5, 2010 5:20:34 PM

whitefang said:
The PSU is no good. Get the Corsair TX850W or TX750W, they are much much better brands.

The velociraptor to be honest wont help very much at all. I'd just lose it and put the money towards some thing more important.

You chose a 4GB ram stick with bad timings. Get 7-7-7-21 timings and get 6GB because that mobo is Tri-channel (3x2GB)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You will never use 1000W power in all your life, as technology advances we will use less power, not more. Stick to 750-850W. Even 850W is way overkill.

You want to get 3x2GB ram, and get the lowest timing ram. The one I selected is 7-7-7-20

The velociraptor won't help at all to be honest. The Spinpoint F3 is just as fast, I would ditch it and put the money towards a GPU.

Mobo and processor are perfect. Cooling is perfect, HD is perfect, dvd is perfect. Case is a preference although I would go with the haf 922.



Alright...I'm going to trust you with this one, I'll switch the PSU and the Ram. But, are you positive that everything is compatible, the ram, the mobo, the power connectors, the PSU, and will everything fit fine? And should I keep the 9800 GTX for now? And where is the sound card?

EDIT: What do you think about this PSU since Antec usually is known for good reviews?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Is it compatible with everything and will it fit?
April 5, 2010 7:50:09 PM

http://i41.tinypic.com/28ksc4x.jpg

The only thing I see changing possible is the ram or the power supply. Everything else is definitely set and I think the PSU is set too but maybe not. Just got to make sure everything is compatible. Thank you for helping me everybody. Even though I changed some stuff you are the guys who started this build for me and helped me along the way. I've learned a lot. Alright, well looks like I'm about done. I'll try ordering the parts except for the i7-930 and the mobo which I will buy at a local store tomorrow. So, I'll order everything tomorrow. Oh, and the reason i'm not getting the Samsung Spinpoint F3 is because of my budget. I plan on getting that if I need another hard drive for special space such as mp3 and such.

EDIT: I will get the Samsung Spinpoint F3 if I save money tomorrow at the local store which I probably will considering their i7-930 there is 100 dollars cheaper but there mobo is 10 dollars more expensive with the mail-in rebate plus the tax. :p 
April 5, 2010 9:58:21 PM

The CP-850 only fits in Antec's 1200/P183/P193 cases. (It's in Newegg's overview.)

Out of curiosity, any special reason for an i7-930, besides the discount?

--Jin
April 5, 2010 10:36:48 PM

whitefang said:
Again, the 10000RPM hard drive is a waste. Stick with just the Spinpoint F3 500GB/1TB and you will save a bunch.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2tb-hdd-7200,2430-7...



Why is it a waste...? It will load game data a faster since it's RPM is better than the spinpoint...

Nevermind, I think I might have answered the question just hope this is accurate and the harddrive itself is reliable.
Pros: Very fast, completely silent. Price is excellent.

Cons: No hot swap?
Newegg can't seem to keep them in stock (probably because of the Pros mentioned above).

Other Thoughts: Bought 5. 4 of them are connected via Intel Matrix Raid on an MSI P55M-GD45 mobo (a RAID 0 and a RAID 1 volume on the 1st pair, ditto the 2nd pair), with the 5th drive a hot spare. I’ve read that these drives don’t hot swap, but I haven’t tried it. If the need ever arises, we’ll find out.

These are the fastest hard drives on the Passmark dot com High End Hard Drive Benchmark table, significantly faster than 300GB VelociRaptors, and faster even than some SSDs. It's hard to believe 7200 RPM drives are that fast, but they are. Here are my HDTune 2.55 results.
Single Drive: 115MB/sec average, 13.3 access.
RAID 0, 2 drives: 238MB/sec average, 9.6 access.
RAID 1, 2 drives: 49MB/sec average, 12.5 access.
The single drive and RAID 0 times are in line with what others have reported, but the RAID 1 time is quite surprising. I ran the test several times on both RAID 1 volumes to be sure. Now I wish I would have run RAID5 and RAID 10 tests. I wonder what’s going on here.
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I think I'm going to go RAID 0 though. I still need to make sure if everything is compatible and what PSU and Case I'm going to use. I'm willing to use that PSU you suggested but I need a full tower case to go with it. I also have a few questions in the quote below me.

Jinnistacia said:
The CP-850 only fits in Antec's 1200/P183/P193 cases. (It's in Newegg's overview.)

Out of curiosity, any special reason for an i7-930, besides the discount?

--Jin


I definitely wanted a quad core because I think most games will support more cores in a few years and I picked the i7-930 specifically because it was either that or the i7-920. I wanted LGA 1366 so that I could upgrade possible sometime in the future. And since the case dosen't fit, which case do you suggest I get or do you think I should just get a new PSU? Did the one Whitefang recommend fit fine? Will my case fit with the mobo since the case says the form factor is Full ATX, Micro ATX, but the mobo just says ATX.What if I were to run to spinpoints in RAID 0? And is it true the Samsung Spinpoint F3 dosen't come with cables to attach it to anything?
April 5, 2010 11:54:41 PM

Corsair Tx750 or 850 would be excellent.

Or you could go with the HX750, or HX850. They are the same PSu's but are modular.

The only case the CP850 will fit in is the cases that jinnistacia selected.
April 6, 2010 12:04:23 AM

whitefang said:
Corsair Tx750 or 850 would be excellent.

Or you could go with the HX750, or HX850. They are the same PSu's but are modular.

The only case the CP850 will fit in is the cases that jinnistacia selected.



What do you think of everything else? like about the hard drive and everything else? Otherwise, I should be good. I have heard very good things about the HX750 and 850 though. I think I'm going to go with the PSU I have and then use the Antec 1200 Case to save me from dealing with any more problems... So is everything compatible too with the power supply and mobo? Also, some of the things i asked in the previous post like I read that the Samsung Spinpoint F3 dosen't come with cables?

EDIT: I decided that going Raid is pretty useless because it's more expensive and doubles the risk of hard drive failure. I'm a patient guy, I deal with 5 minute startups up to 20 minutes. I need the remaining questions answered though from this and last post. Don't want to be picky but i do want a good efficent build. Thanks.

One last thing...My power supply says it has a 20+4 pin connector but my motherboard says it has a 24 pin connector not a 20 or 20+4 or whatever. Does that mean it won't work?

updated pic:
http://i39.tinypic.com/25j895y.jpg

I don't have a problem with using one 7200 RPM HD but I don't see how it's better than the 10k RPM Vraptor... I can't really trust one customer review on newegg.
What do you think about Those two compared to something like the WD Caviar Black?

I was looking at this
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2tb-hdd-7200,2430-5...

If everything in the two posts get answered, I should be good to buy everything tomorrow. I think we've covered a lot. :) 

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April 6, 2010 5:42:44 AM
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Yes every thing is compatible.

20+4 pin is so you have the option to use only 20 pins on older motherboards. It will work fine, every PSU is made like that.

The Spinpoint F3 is faster then the WD caviar black and it's not much slower at all compared to the 10K vraptor. Look at this part of that page you linked to see the difference in speed, then you can decide what you want. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2tb-hdd-7200,2430-7...

However I wouldn't buy the raptor drive.

If the Spinpoint F3 doesn't come with a cable, then here's one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 6, 2010 12:53:04 PM

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