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April 4, 2010 4:21:19 PM

Hi guys, (and gals). New member here. What a resource of knowledge! I could sit here for days trying to learn and catch up with the latest and greatest technology!

Ok, my first homebuilt rig is now coming on 8 years old and it's time to upgrade. I'm tired of not being able to play the latest games, (unless I want to run them at 800x600).

I have a P4 3.2ghz AGP, 1gig ram, Radeon 3850 in a power sucking Thermal Take Xaser case and it's time to retire him, (or donate him to a needy friend).

Gosh, I think I spent close to $3000 when I built this baby, of course I've gone through 4 different AGP cards in the process and I've now maxxed out with this Sapphire 3850.

Enough of the old, time to start talking the new!!

Yeah, I will be budget constricted, but not too bad, I'd like to say I'm willing to go up to $2000 for my new rig, (not counting monitor/speakers/keyboard,mouse). I have a nice 28" HannsG and my Klipsh 5.1 sound system still rocks my world!.

So let's talk about the ultimate system to be built under $2000. That shouldn't limit me too much I guess after pricing out some components on Pricegrabber.com, but then again, I am willing to go with items that may not necessarily be the top of the line but have a good "bang for my buck" value.

Let's start with the CPU first. I'm an Intel guy and will stay that way for this rig. I believe that the Core i7-920 is not a bad way to go, and I see it can be had for $250 now.

I don't want to post all the details in this first post, i'd like to go slow and get some of your great insights.

So knowing that this is my CPU of choice, can you recommend the best motherboard to go with? I've currently got an ASUS, and hear they're still king of the hill, along with Gigabyte.

I see ASUS has the P6X58D for about $300. Then there is the P7P55D which can be had for half that. Talk to me about motherboards. :) 

Rockitman

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April 4, 2010 6:13:20 PM

I would look into something like this



SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM
Item #: N82E16827151188
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info)
• 1 year: $6.99
• 2 year: $11.99
$24.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811119197
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$20.00 Instant
$109.98
$89.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148433
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX HD-587X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5870 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814150476
Return Policy: VGA Replacement Only Return Policy
$419.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Z Series Gold OCZZ850M 850W ATX12V 2.3/ EPS12V 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817341026
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$20.00 Instant
$30.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$239.99
$219.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7T-6GBPI - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231335
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
-$5.00 Instant
$179.99
$174.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131614
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
$309.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Model BX80601930 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115225
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
$294.99
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UBISOFT Assassin’s Creed II – PC Digital Download, Gift with Intel Purchase - Retail
Item #: N82E16800992041
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
-$59.99 Saving
$59.99
$0.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116754
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy
$99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Noctua NF-P12-1300 120mm CPU Cooler and Case Fan - Retail
Item #: N82E16835608004
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$44.58
($22.29 each)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835242001
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$5.00 Instant
$69.99
$64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Subtotal: $1,834.47
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April 4, 2010 6:22:40 PM

Depending on your budget, you can either go the i5 750 route or the i7 930 route like niklas said. Give us more info on your budget, and we can recommend you specific parts and advise you on w/e other concerns you have.
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April 4, 2010 6:32:06 PM

you could also go with a thermaltake element g as case I own and love it :D .
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April 4, 2010 6:32:08 PM

The asus P7P55D you mentioned in your original post will NOT work with an i7. Its an 1156 socket. You need 1366.

You Need a 5970!!!


CPU: i7-930 $295
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: G.Skill Pi Series 3x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $175
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo: Asus P6X58D Premium $310
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: HD 5970 $700
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/ati-radeon/5970/

HDD: Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: OCZ Z Series 850W 80+ Gold $ 190.00 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: HAF 922 $90

Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $20

HSF: Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $35

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April 4, 2010 7:00:56 PM

Wow Guys! Thanks for all the quick input! Oh my, so much to chew on!

Information overload!

Going back to the CPU, I see that the i7-920 is not the newest guy anymore, it's the i7-930 which 2 of you have recommended and it looks like I can get it for around $300.

Thanks for the info in the motherboard socket, learned something right there.

Again, looks like 2 of you have recommended the ASUS P6X58D that I mentioned. Another $300 bucks.

So now I've spent approx $600 for CPU and MOBO. I like it!

Ok, moving on, GPU now. The HD 5970 from what I've read is THE card of the day! But my oh my, it's price is pretty dear, and it's availability is tough right now. Where, by the way can it be bought today? I can't find anything?

Is it worth the extra 2 to 300 bucks over a 5870? Those I can find right now. To me the standard is "can I run Crysis maxxed out with one 5870?" I really don't want to go into a Crossfire scenario if I don't have to.

If I can find a 5970, which brand do you guys recommend?
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April 4, 2010 8:04:39 PM

If you want to max crysis go for the HD 5970, if your not going to run xfire you could drop to a 750W PSU

As for bands i like Sapphire or XFX

Whats rez monitor do you have ? The HD 5970 might be over kill for 1920x1080 or less but if you want to max crysis @ 1920x1080 you will need it.
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April 4, 2010 9:02:31 PM

My Hanns-G goes up to 1900x1200.

Thanks for the advice.

Again, do you know where the 5970 can be found today? Everywhere I look, it is Out of Stock.
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April 4, 2010 11:01:03 PM

rockitman said:
My Hanns-G goes up to 1900x1200.

Thanks for the advice.

Again, do you know where the 5970 can be found today? Everywhere I look, it is Out of Stock.


You just have to keep looking i guess to you see a store has them, thats why i put a HD 5870 in my build it will still be a very good GPU at that rez


reviews

HD5870

http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,2422.html
http://techreport.com/articles.x/17618
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_5870/
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/for [...] eview.html
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/v [...] d5870.html

HD5850

http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,2433.html
http://techreport.com/articles.x/17652
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5850/
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3650

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April 4, 2010 11:36:42 PM

At everything max in Crysis, the ONLY card that will be able to play Crysis well at your resolution is the 5970. So unless you are willing to spend a ton on one, then you may want to settle for slightly less than max.

Also, don't buy an i5 or an i7 8XX.
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April 4, 2010 11:42:04 PM

DraconianGamer said:
At everything max in Crysis, the ONLY card that will be able to play Crysis well at your resolution is the 5970. So unless you are willing to spend a ton on one, then you may want to settle for slightly less than max.

Also, don't buy an i5 or an i7 8XX.




I'm not familiar with what 8XX means. Why don't I want to buy an i7-930?
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April 5, 2010 12:02:03 AM

rockitman said:
I'm not familiar with what 8XX means. Why don't I want to buy an i7-930?


Nonono, GET an i7 930 (or 920). 8XX means the older i7 CPUs that use socket 1156, the i7 860 and 870. The i5 processors use the same socket, and since it is unlikely newer processors will use it, if you want to upgrade some time in the future it would most likely end up costing you more.
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April 5, 2010 12:04:03 AM

I supplied a link to an IN STOCK CHECKER under my recommendation for a 5970 here it is again.

http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/ati-radeon/5970/


the 5970 comes in stock almost daily and sells out in less than an hour. You can sign up for email notification. It shouldn't be hard to get one next week just by checking that site.
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April 5, 2010 12:12:16 AM

rockitman said:
I'm not familiar with what 8XX means. Why don't I want to buy an i7-930?


8xx refers the 1156 series cpu like the i7-870 or i7-860 those are 1156 sockets and don't have 16x16 crossfire capabilities.

i7 930 has a stock setting of 2.80ghz whereas the i7 920 is 2.66ghz. i7 920 is the older and slower than the 930. 930 replaces the 920.

You want the 930.
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April 5, 2010 12:15:22 AM

brennon7 said:
I supplied a link to an IN STOCK CHECKER under my recommendation for a 5970 here it is again.

http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/ati-radeon/5970/


the 5970 comes in stock almost daily and sells out in less than an hour. You can sign up for email notification. It shouldn't be hard to get one next week just by checking that site.



Thanks brennon, i just signed up.

But if I decide to just go with a 5870, I noticed that it comes in 2 flavors, one is a 1gb card and they also have a 2gb card for a bit more money. Do I want to go with the 2gb 5870?
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April 5, 2010 12:19:27 AM

If you are going to play at high resolutions (like 2560x1600) then 2GB is worth it, otherwise stick with 1GB
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April 5, 2010 12:42:41 AM

Antec 1200 w/ CP-850 Now at $229
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Comparable alternate HAF 932 w/ Corsair HX850
$140 after $20 MIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$170 (out of stock) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

P6X58D $310
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel i7-930 w/ Free Assasisn's Creed and Avatar Games $295
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

1 TB 7200.12 $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM - DDR3-1600 CAS 8 (would normally go CAS 7 but proces are very high and looking to avoid the high heat spreaders on GSkill for HS clearance. $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GFX Cards - Highly personal choice here as you have to weigh competing features....eyefinity plus low power from ATI versus PhysX and 3D Vision from nVidia. To my mind, $700-750 for the 5970 just isn't enough payoff. The 5850 has the lower price but the 470 has the lowest dollars per frame (DX11 high settings). The 5870 is a solid card if ya can still get one at $400, but I haven't made up my mind on the 480's yet....a lot will depend on what it sells for.

HS / TIM - For performance and ease of installation, the Prolimatech Megahalems fits both criteria. Here's what I'm putting in new builds Mega w/ IC Diamond TIM and twin Scythe PWMfans (make sure ya MoBo can handle the fan wattage). ($65 for the HS, $7 for TIM, $11 each for two PWM fans and $7 for a Y cable splitter).
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8807/cpu-pro-01/Proli...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7038/thr-41/Innovatio...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10026/fan-639/Scythe_...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8418/cab-150/FrozenCP...

If that's a budget breaker, look at the Xigmnatec S1283 or one of the top 3 or 4 here:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Heatsinks
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSI...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

pick a TIM from the top few here:
http://www.hwreviewlabs.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/therma...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

Win 7 Pro $134
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical - Any $25 DVD burner

Leaves room for almost any GFX card and maybe even a SSD
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April 5, 2010 4:15:09 AM

rockitman said:
Thanks brennon, i just signed up.

But if I decide to just go with a 5870, I noticed that it comes in 2 flavors, one is a 1gb card and they also have a 2gb card for a bit more money. Do I want to go with the 2gb 5870?



Get the 1gb, here's why.

The 2gb to my knowledge only has mini display port output and 6 of them at that. Do you have a monitor with a display port? It is basically used for eyefinity using 6 or 3 monitors. If you don't have 6 monitors with display port connections, I would not get the 2gb. You would need a display port to dvi or other adapter and they can run about $100.00.


I personally have 2 5850s in crossfire running eyefinity 3 x 1080p for 5760 x 1080. Took my extra money and spent it on monitors hehehe.
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April 5, 2010 5:37:18 PM

SAPPHIRE 5970 is in stock on newegg. 689.99 free shipping.
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