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April 4, 2010 8:10:04 PM

Hello, I am helping my brother (who knows little about PC building) build a computer. I Have built 2 computers in the past, so have a little experience. I don't follow current trends,, though, so need help confirming that all the parts will work together and don't overlook something. One thing my brother wants to do is use the computer on the TV (big screen LCD).


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This week

BUDGET RANGE: ~700 Before Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: good to look at on the TV, gaming, surfing the internet

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, moniter, speakers, OS

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: I am by no mean's a fan boy. I don't care how good I think something is, if it's backed up by multiple sources that it isn't good I won't get it. I have seen on the guide that intel is the best out there now, so is why I am basing my build around it. Anything I think is good is due to past experience.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe. I have never overclocked before, but since the guide says one should, I'll give it a try.

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe. Like overclocking, I have never used SLI or Crossfire. If it's within the budget and/or definitely worth it, I don't mind giving it a try.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: Uses a LCD TV: 1280 x 720 HD.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
1. Must look good on a TV!
2. Longevity is planned that in 3 or more years it can play games on medium settings at least.
3. Hard drive, optical drive, case, and PSU is planned to be used in the next 2 builds. (which is why the storage is big and the PSU is overwhelmingly powerful)
4. All I am missing is a GOOD, RELIABLE, wireless mouse.
5. I realize I am a little over budget, but I figure what I save from re-using some parts (since they are, hopefully, high-quality) it is well worth the investment.
6. Is this a reasonable goal for my budget? If not, what is?


Current Build Idea:
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...]MSI 890GXM-G65 AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail[/url]

CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 435 Rana 2.9GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Processor - Retail (my current CPU is an intel core 2 duo E8400. It was a pain to get the CPU recognized as it had the most sensitive pins in the world. It took me literally weeks o get it working via tinkering and what-not. Had to RMA it once when it probably "worked fine" anyway. I hope this Intel chip isn't so hard to place. Of course, it could have been my Gigabyte Mobo too.)

Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail (I am biased towards this case. It's metal, feels sturdy, and I will most likely use it for my next build. After a flimsy PoS case I used in my last build where the door kept falling off, I realize that cases are one of the most important parts of the build.)

PSU: Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ... - Retail (I love Corsair, when I bought it for my current PC it came with lots of cables that are strong.)

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBRL - Retail

Hard Drive: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Optical Drive: ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

Graphics Card: HIS H577FM1GD Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail (2 different kinds of these. How much different is the 512 MB version? Using 2 for crosssfire is more expensive, but would lead to the 1 gig so doesn't seem worth it. Due note that comments say this thing is huge, so I don't know if there is room for SLI/Crossfire)

EDIT: changed the mobo, PSU, RAM, and hard drive
EDIT: Changed to final build

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April 4, 2010 9:50:34 PM

I don't understand why you'd want to get an i3 Clarkdale if you won't be taking advantage of its onboards graphics (if you didn't know, you need an H55/H57 board to do so).
Also, the PSU is overkill. A 550W would be fine. 750W would be understandable if you were going to have two 4850s in CF, but your mobo can only support x16/x4 CF, which won't be much of an upgrade from a single 4850. So save yourself some money. Put it towards lower latency RAM or something.
Last thing, I suggest the Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB in place of the WD. It only has one platter in comparison to the WD's two, so it runs faster and more efficiently.
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April 4, 2010 9:52:56 PM

Sorry but you need to go back and do more research.
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April 4, 2010 10:26:25 PM

So:
Replace this motherboard with this motherboard

Replace this PSU with this PSU

And replace this hard drive with this hard drive

And everything else is still compatible and am good to go to order and start building? Will the PSU has enough power to last for two more builds (guessing computers might need more power in the future)?

Is there any RAM you guy's recommend?

As for the last comment about "doing more research", I have looked up the CPU as well as the hardware guide in the forum. I was mixing and matching (which is why I didn't know about the i3 doing better with the H55/H57 motherboard) so if you recommend anything else to look into, feel free to respond.

Thanks a bunch!
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April 4, 2010 11:38:08 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That ram is nice lower latency for only a bit more.
You also may want to consider and AMD am3 build.

EDIT:
Such as this-
Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MSI 890GXM-G65 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HIS H577FM1GD Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition Heka 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Processor Model HDZ720WFK3DGI - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long ... - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 5, 2010 12:47:22 AM

That's about 100$ over budget.

Why the change in hard drive and optical drive?
I see the change for the case just because it's cheaper, but is it also as good as the Antec 900?
Is the better graphics card really worth the extra 20$?
Why AMD and not Intel?
Why is there the added heatsink, don't CPU's normally come with their own? Also, that one you linked is for the intel i series (i5 and i7).
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April 5, 2010 12:55:02 AM

I'd recommend getting an HD 5770 as well, though the rest of what you had should be good.
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April 5, 2010 1:07:59 AM

Might consider one of these Case / PSU Combos .... the EA units in particular .... equal to Corsair TX / VX series

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N...

At 1280 res, you have more video video card than you need. See THG article.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,...

However, headroom, combos like this one should be considered as if you grab one w/ a game you like, the net cost is only $39 for the card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I have moved away from wireless mice ..... now using Logitech MX-518's.

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April 5, 2010 1:56:38 AM

Quote:
Why the change in hard drive and optical drive?
I see the change for the case just because it's cheaper, but is it also as good as the Antec 900?
Is the better graphics card really worth the extra 20$?
Why AMD and not Intel?
Why is there the added heatsink, don't CPU's normally come with their own? Also, that one you linked is for the intel i series (i5 and i7).


I can't speak for duk3 but here is my take on his changes.

Hard drive/optical: Not sure. Hard drives should perform relatively the same as each other. Optical well maybe to save a few dollars?

The Cooler Master 690 should perform just as well as the 900.

The graphics card is definitely worth the $20 extra. Truthfully a 4850 @ $130 is a scam. Looking at Jack's comment though, you could probably slip by with something less powerful.

AMD is usually better the better choice at a budget.

That CPU he linked doesn't come with it's own heatsink because it is an OEM version.

And the Cooler Master 212 Plus will support an AM3 motherboard. They are just advertising the fact that it supports i5/i7 since they are newer and people tend to wonder if it will work with their new products.
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April 5, 2010 11:32:05 AM

Thanks, really answered my questions. That combo deal looks really good too! Is the motherboard with the combo as good, or almost, than the one duk3 linked?

And I'll go with AMD then.
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April 7, 2010 2:15:49 AM

Thanks for all the advice, help, and that combo link!

Going with the Antec case/PSU combo and keeping the graphics card for future games, since they will get better.

I would just like the go ahead for someone to go "Okay, everything is compatible. You won't get any surprises".

Thanks again!
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April 8, 2010 12:27:37 AM

Best answer selected by Rokmo.
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