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June 16, 2010 3:41:39 AM

Does anyone know of some lil secret or has some type of recommendation for water cooling?
June 16, 2010 4:50:03 AM

What are you wanting out of it? In my opinion, it's not worth the money if you're on a budget of any sort; if you haven't set any limitations as to how much you're wanting to spend on a PC, then go nuts. However, I feel that air cooling can perform just as well, for a lot less money.

What kind of hardware are you running? Do you plan on overclocking? What's your reasoning for wanting liquid cooling?
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June 16, 2010 4:59:11 AM

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June 16, 2010 5:08:22 AM

blaqzero said:
Does anyone know of some lil secret or has some type of recommendation for water cooling?


1. You'll have to pay over 10x the price of a Coolermaster hyper 212+ to achieve anywhere near the same performance.
2. You'll also have to spend some money cooling the voltage regulators around the CPU (Mine are actually HOTTER than the CPU)

I love the 212+ the only thing that I can fault it on is the fan. Either put a scythe 120mm or a Noctua 140mm in there and you're better off than a $300-$400 water cooling plant.

Make sense?
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June 16, 2010 5:11:57 AM

I have a left over CNPS 9900 from my last build. You think that will do?
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June 16, 2010 5:13:31 AM

It was either that or Sapphire Toxic 5970 4gb (can't find anywhere that has it in stock). I appreciate the penny pinching idea, but I don't think its a waste.
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June 16, 2010 5:16:05 AM

The reason I didn't go with Nvidia's 480s is because they are out performed by the 5970's.
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June 16, 2010 5:17:49 AM

I'm planning on using a projector to beam an image on the moon to play my games. You think that will safice?
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June 16, 2010 10:12:04 AM

blaqzero said:
I have a left over CNPS 9900 from my last build. You think that will do?


Not if you plan on doing any overclocking.


blaqzero said:
I'm planning on using a projector to beam an image on the moon to play my games. You think that will safice?


No need to be facetious


blaqzero said:
The reason I didn't go with Nvidia's 480s is because they are out performed by the 5970's.


And you still didn't answer the resolution question.



Personally, watercooling is for extreme overclocks (but will end up being just as noisy as air cooling), near-silent operation (if you don't overclock too much) or the aesthetics/posing.

I'd be more inclined to grab a Megahalems, Venemous-X or Noctua NH-D14 for CPU cooling, and even a pair of 5970s won't get too hot as ATI did a great job with the tech.
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June 16, 2010 11:02:59 AM

openi3 said:
1. You'll have to pay over 10x the price of a Coolermaster hyper 212+ to achieve anywhere near the same performance.
2. You'll also have to spend some money cooling the voltage regulators around the CPU (Mine are actually HOTTER than the CPU)

Due to it's popularity the price if the 212 is going up ( $60 at Newegg now ), it can still be found for $25 with a little searching, but there's no way it will match the performance of a proper water cooling system.
The Mosfets on the board in the OP's specs are passively cooled and the board comes with a chipset cooling fan for use when WC is used, there's no need to spend more money.
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June 16, 2010 3:49:28 PM

I plan on starting (ordering) the build tomorrow. The monitor I plan on getting is at Fry's Electronics and its a Samsung 23inch LED.
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June 16, 2010 4:04:34 PM

I'm definitely going with the Noctua NH-D14. The specs and reviews make it seem to out perform the boxed up water cooling kits.
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June 16, 2010 4:14:15 PM

Just be aware the cooler is so huge it overhangs the first RAM slot or so which will interfere with memory tall heatspreaders
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June 16, 2010 5:06:43 PM

WOW, such WC hate on here.

First of all, Blaqzero lose the 5970s, you can get 2 GTX 480s with change. You don't think it performs?





Those are just a few benchmarks, as you can see they are extremely close. Add to the fact that a dual card setup will always give you far less headaches then a triple or quad setup and the choice is obvious. If you are craving more performance you can get a tri SLI setup with GTX 480s, and that definitely annihilates dual 5970s.

For tri GTX 480s you need some extreme power, especially if you are going to overclock. My recommendation:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

In honesty, you may not need all that but what the hell. If you are going WC, you will.

If you are interested in taming those GTX 480s with some WC, tell me and I'll help you. I agree there is no real reason to watercool a CPU, but GPUs are a completely separate area.
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June 16, 2010 5:27:24 PM

blaqzero said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WE4OTOuyS8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsrbHMr31S8

This shows that the 480 is alot weaker than 5970. And of course 3 480s would out perform 2 5970s. I've also read that the 480s tend to carry more heat than the 5970s...


Wow, umm those compare 1 GTX 480 vs 1 5970. Since a quad configuration doesn't scale well, you can't expect the same results from dual 5970s and dual GTX 480s. The dual GTX 480 is faster or equal to the 5970 because your comparing 2 cards vs 4 cards, and 2 cards scale vastly better.

Also you are looking YOUTUBE, that isn't exactly a good source.

Also does this look biased at all?



Trust the professional review I posted.

No, a GTX 480 and a 5970 are about as hot, with the GTX 480 being slightly hotter. It doesn't matter, not for your budget. If you water cool, they will be very cool.
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June 16, 2010 5:38:39 PM

lol - no it doesn't lol. I just found that video. But I've read several reviews and your's is the first that I've seen post different info. Not saying it isn't legit, but the only other article I've read that backed Nvidia was the one posted by Nvidia themselves. And I'm sure that wasn't biased at all -sarcasm-. I've always been a Nvidia guy but after seeing so many videos and reading articles I'm confused again lol.

I know nothing at all. I guess I'm that consumer that can only base what he knows from bias articles, sadly.
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June 16, 2010 5:40:46 PM

So what mother board should I be looking at if I want to accomplish that? I'm going to be running a i7 930.
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June 16, 2010 6:08:09 PM

Yeah they are all really similar. If it was me I would get the EVGA thanks to their great reputation for the X58 chipset and their own little perks. You can't go wrong with any of the three though.
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June 23, 2010 6:10:33 AM

AMW1011 said:
WOW, such WC hate on here.



If you are interested in taming those GTX 480s with some WC, tell me and I'll help you. I agree there is no real reason to watercool a CPU, but GPUs are a completely separate area.


OK - I'm old school and don't really believe that at the top-end, overclocking GPUs is worth the time and effort.
a 3% improvement at that level (which is about what I've seen on air/modified air coolers) doesn't seem to track with the huge expense of the cards etc. - but let's leave that aside for a moment.

I like the idea of watercooling the GPU seeing as the concentration of heat on the GPU is so great. 300W in the space of a square inch in the real world starts fires. Inside a PC Case requires engineering and planning. I for one would also look at Peltier + Water cooling Possibly with a controller to Pulse the Peltier element when below a certain temperature. My biggest headache though would be to also optimize cooling for the VRM's and memory modules which won't be benefitting from the water cooling.

What I have seen - and like quite a lot is a positive pressure DIY mod with 120-140mm fans in the bottom of the case drawing air in through automobile pancake air filters and blowing directly from the bottom of the case up at the graphics cards. Looking at SLI configurations though, additional heatpipe cooling and fins would be necessary.

There have also been comments here about the motherboard Northbridge and voltage regulators being passively cooled and therefore not needing air-flow. That's just WRONG my friends. Passive cooling for these components require good case airflow - maybe a little less than leaving the components bare but to replace a 40mm Northbridge fan with passive cooling you basically need to ensure that you have a nice 120mm exhaust and relatively unobstructed 120mm intake fan (See Pancake filters above).

At the end of the day, IF I was wanting a PC such as this, I would require a warranty from whoever built it for the simple reason that you need experience to operate and service such a system and that doesn't come cheap (especially if you decide to learn from your own mistakes). Then again, that's just me.

Good luck and all!
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June 23, 2010 11:44:22 AM

openi3 said:

There have also been comments here about the motherboard Northbridge and voltage regulators being passively cooled and therefore not needing air-flow.

There was one, and it did not say that airflow was not needed.
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June 23, 2010 3:52:59 PM

lol learn to read
"There is no limitation. This is what I have in my cart so far on newegg.com.
Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price " His total is Subtotal: $2,977.89+
Tax: $245.68

It's a waste not to get something good outa that budget he has than get crappy parts ^^, if you don't know anything about motherboards, I suggest you not speak at all, since he's aiming for the best of the best pretty much
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June 23, 2010 5:39:38 PM

halodude23 said:
lol learn to read
"There is no limitation. This is what I have in my cart so far on newegg.com.
Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price " His total is Subtotal: $2,977.89+
Tax: $245.68

It's a waste not to get something good outa that budget he has than get crappy parts ^^, if you don't know anything about motherboards, I suggest you not speak at all, since he's aiming for the best of the best pretty much


A large budget doesn't mean that he should waste money.

You tell me I need to learn about motherboards, while you are calling the EVGA FTW3 a crappy part?

Price =/= quality.

Yeah he could likely afford a $400-$600 motherboard, but it will not offer anything he wants for the extra money.

I wont resort to insults, but I think it is clear who knows what they are talking about, since the other is referring to the EVGA X58 FTW3, ASUS P6X58D, and the GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R as crappy parts...
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June 23, 2010 10:04:32 PM

Just because a budget is high doesn't give any reason to buy smart. Just because you can afford a $600 MoBo, doesn't mean that you need it, or even that it's the best. If you save money in one area, you have more for another.
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June 23, 2010 11:46:34 PM

AMW1011 said:
A large budget doesn't mean that he should waste money.

You tell me I need to learn about motherboards, while you are calling the EVGA FTW3 a crappy part?

Price =/= quality.

Yeah he could likely afford a $400-$600 motherboard, but it will not offer anything he wants for the extra money.

I wont resort to insults, but I think it is clear who knows what they are talking about, since the other is referring to the EVGA X58 FTW3, ASUS P6X58D, and the GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R as crappy parts...


When did I say the EVGA X58 FTW3, ASUS P6X58D, and the GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R are crappy? What I was trying to say was, go for the better if you can afford it rather than cheap stuff,(still not referring to what you said yet) + the motherboards I posted have 4 way sli/crossfire support, I myself have an EVGA FTW mobo and I do love it, but he probably wants more than what he needs, than 3 way sli, that's just a possibility and the Asus Rampage is 200$ cheaper+ it's an enthusiast motherboard also packing 6 gb/s....Nothing else to say, no insults plz :love: 
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