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Fermi GTX 480 And 470 Price, Specs and Pics out.

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March 18, 2010 12:01:45 PM

Fermi Price and Specs and Pics is out!

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-fina...

Credits : www.vr-zone.com

Here's a small bit of the news from vr-zone.com :

"Internal benchmarks reveal that GeForce GTX 470 is some 5-10% faster than Radeon HD 5850 and similiar for GeForce GTX 480 over the Radeon HD 5870. Interestingly, the TDP of GeForce GTX 480 is almost similar to Radeon HD 5970 which is a dual GPU card. Interestingly, our sources revealed that there are indeed plans for dual Fermi cards and the TDP of the card is probably gonna be mind blowing."
a b U Graphics card
March 18, 2010 12:07:58 PM

hallelujah!!!.

Thanks.

Only one question. This product is sold as a stove or as a graphic card (295w....one gpu....ummmm.....).
March 18, 2010 12:10:07 PM

Hmm, i don't quite get what you mean by "as a stove".
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a b U Graphics card
March 18, 2010 12:26:22 PM

I'm sorry for my english.
But the question is: We have been waiting for so long the new cards from nVidia and they give us a product which consume 295W TDP (with only one gpu)... I don't know what is happening inside nVidia but this is not normal.
I'm very disappointed.
March 18, 2010 1:08:55 PM

I knew I made the right descision to buy a Radeon 5850 about 2 months ago for £210 delivered. It was the XFX one too......

The place I bought it from (within the UK) was:

http://www.aria.co.uk

They have a superspecials section which changes daily. Yesterday I got an email from them which had a 5870 for £240!!! I check my email quite a lot, and I clicked on this as soon as I noticed it, and it already had sold out :(  I wouldnt have been able to resist the price. It was an XFX too, I could have crossfired it with my 5850!!! Or jusr replaced the 5850.

Worth keeping an eye on though, they get some real bargains.....

NVidia have screwed up royally, and I used to love my last card, and thought that ATI had problems, even with the 4XXX cards, but now I think that NVidia have succeeded in one thing and one thing only - EPIC FAIL!!!

Ah well, better luck next time, maybe they will fix this by the time we have a Radeon 6XXX on the market.......?
a b U Graphics card
March 18, 2010 3:36:17 PM

Henry Chinaski said:
I'm sorry for my english.
But the question is: We have been waiting for so long the new cards from nVidia and they give us a product which consume 295W TDP (with only one gpu)... I don't know what is happening inside nVidia but this is not normal.
I'm very disappointed.


The links don't work for me, but, Why you say that with 295W is disappointed?
March 18, 2010 3:46:26 PM

Them links aint working for me too.... Crap :fou: 
a b U Graphics card
March 18, 2010 4:11:54 PM

Link is working for me, i just quote the article for those that cant see it.

Quote:
We have received the final specs for GeForce GTX 480 and 470 which are slated for official launch on March 26th 7pm US time. Coincidentally, an official photo of the GTX 480 has been leaked in our forums here : http://forums.vr-zone.com/news-around-the-web/586418-fi...

GeForce GTX 480 : 512 SP, 384-bit, 295W TDP, US$499

GeForce GTX 470 : 448 SP, 320-bit, 225W TDP, US$349

Internal benchmarks reveal that GeForce GTX 470 is some 5-10% faster than Radeon HD 5850 and similiar for GeForce GTX 480 over the Radeon HD 5870. Interestingly, the TDP of GeForce GTX 480 is almost similar to Radeon HD 5970 which is a dual GPU card. Interestingly, our sources revealed that there are indeed plans for dual Fermi cards and the TDP of the card is probably gonna be mind blowing.


For what they say the card looks like,



March 18, 2010 4:24:15 PM

295watts is disappointing because it's a LOT of heat/power for a single GPU, and for the same power cost you could get a vastly superior HD 5970. Not to mention those two'll probably cost similarly (but perform much differently).
March 18, 2010 4:30:39 PM

Links still won't work :cry:  :cry: 

Am through with this thread :fou: 
a b U Graphics card
March 18, 2010 4:46:42 PM

And the price/performance crown, along with the strongest card, goes to...

ATI!

Still?

Oh let's not forget performance per watt crown.
March 18, 2010 4:54:18 PM

Like i always say ATI leads, Nvidia follows.
:D  :D 
a b U Graphics card
March 18, 2010 7:51:57 PM

Usually nvidias big dog does more than 10%. They messed up.

When I saw 295w on a single GPU I thought, "uh oh... what kind of monster has nvidia brought to the table...". Then I read, 5-10% performance increase over the 5870...........

...

Are you kidding? Hopefully those nvidia games show 20%+ or they're going to have a hard time getting rid of those. Especially with crossfire/sli mobos becoming so popular at the high end so those people won't be forced into nvidia.

Truth be told however tri or quad sli GTX 480s will take the overall performance crown. Just hope you don't pay the electricity bill.
March 18, 2010 8:07:04 PM

Ugh....... 5-10% over a 5850 and uses a ton more electricity??? Pass.
March 18, 2010 8:21:31 PM

Maybe you should wait and see some actual reviews / benchmarks and prices before passing comment.
a b U Graphics card
March 18, 2010 8:27:44 PM

fergie said:
Maybe you should wait and see some actual reviews / benchmarks and prices before passing comment.


now wheres the fun in that?
March 18, 2010 8:44:35 PM

To be honest I'm just a fanboy getting a bit worried that fermi isn't going to do the business. Not long to wait now I guess.
March 18, 2010 8:45:12 PM

fergie said:
Maybe you should wait and see some actual reviews / benchmarks and prices before passing comment.


It will cost more than ATi and perform slightly better - the cost + performance ratio will be even worse once they get released and ATi drops the prices on the cards. You do not need to be a friggin rocket scientist to see patterns in certain companies. Pass not because I love ATi, pass because I am an informed and intelligent consumer.
March 18, 2010 9:22:46 PM

We all have to put up with increased prices from ati... since now their cards perform better than the crap that nvidia has produced they'll never take the prices of 5850 to $260...

Waited for nvidia to release an awesome card and put pressure on ati to reduce their prices... never happening i guess..
a b U Graphics card
March 18, 2010 9:27:48 PM

abhishekk89 said:
We all have to put up with increased prices from ati... since now their cards perform better than the crap that nvidia has produced they'll never take the prices of 5850 to $260...

Waited for nvidia to release an awesome card and put pressure on ati to reduce their prices... never happening i guess..


20 bucks says ATI will drop the price of the 5870 and 5850 within 2 months.
March 18, 2010 9:37:24 PM

2 months ??

i am not able to wait for a week or two... i don't think i'll wait for 2 months... i guess i'll go buy my shiny new 5850 :) 
March 19, 2010 12:24:23 AM

welshmousepk said:
20 bucks says ATI will drop the price of the 5870 and 5850 within 2 months.


+1. I have no idea wtf abishekk89 is talking about. Price drops are coming regardless of Nvidia or not - its just fermi's release has been it come much much sooner.

ATi totally killed Nvidia man... Even after Fermi's launch you have to view the computer as a WHOLE. If people want a fermi but cant afford it because they ALSO need to upgrade their psu = fail. If people want to SLi but need a new psu = fail. On the other side - you can get a card that is pretty much the same performance for much much much cheaper and probably keep a smaller PSU = win. Go ATi!!!!
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 12:36:03 AM

abhishekk89 said:
We all have to put up with increased prices from ati... since now their cards perform better than the crap that nvidia has produced they'll never take the prices of 5850 to $260...

Waited for nvidia to release an awesome card and put pressure on ati to reduce their prices... never happening i guess..


Umm, unless im reading the article or your comment wrong, they say that the GTX 470 and GTX 480 are 5- 10% faster than ATI HD 5850 and 5870.

With that said, i have to go with the others and say the ati will drop there prices soon.
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 1:51:14 AM

warmon6 said:
Umm, unless im reading the article or your comment wrong, they say that the GTX 470 and GTX 480 are 5- 10% faster than ATI HD 5850 and 5870.

With that said, i have to go with the others and say the ati will drop there prices soon.


i think its fair to take overclocking into account on cards of this caliber though. most people spending that much on a card will know how to overclock, and given the TDP of the gtx480, i don't see it having the OC potential of a 5870 (mine easily hit 1000mhz on the core).

when comparing OCd cards performance will likely be very similar.
March 19, 2010 2:04:34 AM

I'd be willing to bet the 480 is stock overclocked.
March 19, 2010 2:15:41 AM

This isnt good for nvidia.... only the high end cards are coming out. The market for those is puny compared to the mid and low end, and thats where power consumption and heat/noise matter. The 5xxx series already has those covered.
March 19, 2010 2:44:32 AM

welshmousepk said:
i think its fair to take overclocking into account on cards of this caliber though. most people spending that much on a card will know how to overclock, and given the TDP of the gtx480, i don't see it having the OC potential of a 5870 (mine easily hit 1000mhz on the core).

when comparing OCd cards performance will likely be very similar.



What?! If anything given its high TDP it will overclock LESS and produce much more heat. :heink:  Am I missing something here? This is absolute garbage from Nvidia if this is their only response to the dx11 market. They hyped Fermi to be the end all of current gen cards and they squeaked by. My guess is their original product was getting owned hence the high tdp and the dual 8 pin connections required - just enough to get past ATi and be 'king of the road'. Too bad they fail to notice even though AMD does not have the fastest they still sell processors like crazy. Nvidia and ATi really should be switching positions as far as marketing goes - Nvidia going cheaper but to me it seems like ATi is trying to really stomp Nvidia down with its predicted sales... God can you imagine if ATi had another card coming out in 2-3 months? :lol: 
March 19, 2010 2:48:43 AM

werxen said:
What?! If anything given its high TDP it will overclock LESS and produce much more heat. :heink:  Am I missing something here? This is absolute garbage from Nvidia if this is their only response to the dx11 market. They hyped Fermi to be the end all of current gen cards and they squeaked by. My guess is their original product was getting owned hence the high tdp and the dual 8 pin connections required - just enough to get past ATi and be 'king of the road'. Too bad they fail to notice even though AMD does not have the fastest they still sell processors like crazy. Nvidia and ATi really should be switching positions as far as marketing goes - Nvidia going cheaper but to me it seems like ATi is trying to really stomp Nvidia down with its predicted sales... God can you imagine if ATi had another card coming out in 2-3 months? :lol: 


They have another card coming in four months (q3), the refresh/die shrink of the 5xxx series.
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 3:17:59 AM

werxen said:
What?! If anything given its high TDP it will overclock LESS and produce much more heat. :heink:  Am I missing something here? This is absolute garbage from Nvidia if this is their only response to the dx11 market. They hyped Fermi to be the end all of current gen cards and they squeaked by. My guess is their original product was getting owned hence the high tdp and the dual 8 pin connections required - just enough to get past ATi and be 'king of the road'. Too bad they fail to notice even though AMD does not have the fastest they still sell processors like crazy. Nvidia and ATi really should be switching positions as far as marketing goes - Nvidia going cheaper but to me it seems like ATi is trying to really stomp Nvidia down with its predicted sales... God can you imagine if ATi had another card coming out in 2-3 months? :lol: 


er... yeah. what i said was:

Quote:
and given the TDP of the gtx480, i don't see it having the OC potential of a 5870


March 19, 2010 3:50:52 AM

WOops thought you meant it will have higher. Misead!
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 4:09:28 AM

although loosely supported physx is awesome
I have 5770 was playng crysis warhead and I hit a tree
it looks like the game was programmed by me.....
these cards will be sweet Im sure but will I buy one....not a chance
waiting to sell 5770 and purchase the innevitable 5790 ...please let there be a 5790
I want 5770 with a 256 mem bus please
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 4:26:47 AM

spentshells said:
although loosely supported physx is awesome
I have 5770 was playng crysis warhead and I hit a tree
it looks like the game was programmed by me.....
these cards will be sweet Im sure but will I buy one....not a chance
waiting to sell 5770 and purchase the innevitable 5790 ...please let there be a 5790
I want 5770 with a 256 mem bus please


why not just get a 5850 after the inevitable price drops?

a c 271 U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 4:58:42 AM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Graphic & Displays by Mousemonkey
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 6:19:57 AM

Tough. Fermi's a bust. Hopefully nvidia will be around for next gen.
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 6:55:44 AM

why not just get a 5850 after the inevitable price drops? said:
why not just get a 5850 after the inevitable price drops?

or the 5830 once it hits $150.
March 19, 2010 10:01:24 AM

Quote:
" GTX480 is 5-10% faster than 5870 but uses the same power as a 5970" ??

FAIL

Who is gonna buy that, even if it's the same price as the 5870?

Nvidia has serious issues, they can't sell chipsets and now they are going to have trouble selling graphics cards.

If they make a dual gpu card, it's going to have to have it's own external psu.


Correction... :p 
5-10% faster was against the old drivers of ATI.
The new Drivers of ATI increases their performance for most of the games by 5-10% and in some games 20 %

So the new Fermi cards are slower or [equal (in game FPS)] then ATI
March 19, 2010 10:04:10 AM

Mousemonkey said:
This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Graphic & Displays by Mousemonkey


Nice Mouse job :) 
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 10:05:02 AM

witcherx said:
Correction... :p 
5-10% faster was against the old drivers of ATI.
The new Drivers of ATI increases their performance for most of the games by 5-10% and in some games 20 %

So the new Fermi cards are slower or [equal (in game FPS)] then ATI


Well, Fermi is going to be pretty raw in the first few months also. I'm pretty sure they'll come out with similar performance boosts in future drivers.
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 10:48:05 AM

Enough with the driver argument; it goes both ways.

+10% performance at the same price range. Thats a win in the P/P department, especially on the 470 side. As for the 480, lets see how its cooling solution works. I may draw a lot of power, but if the cooling works well, its not going to be a major factor.
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 11:00:36 AM

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-fina...

Post just got updated, bold for emphesis:

Quote:
GeForce GTX 480 : 480 SP, 700/1401/1848MHz core/shader/mem, 384-bit, 1536MB, 250W TDP, US$499

GeForce GTX 470 : 448 SP, 607/1215/1674MHz core/shader/mem, 320-bit, 1280MB, 225W TDP, US$349

* The intended GF100 has 512 SP clocked at 725/1450/1050MHz with 295W TDP. It should still be released in the future but just not now. For this launch, GTX 480 has 480 SP with clocks lowered to 700/1401/1848MHz at 250W TDP.


So it looks like no 295 TDP, and gives some OC room to boot. Should be interesting to see he that affects performance...
March 19, 2010 11:20:33 AM

gamerk316 said:
I may draw a lot of power, but if the cooling works well, its not going to be a major factor.


You mean to say if it would have drawn 1000w and still cools well.. its ok...

God ... Save us...
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 12:00:07 PM

^^ Its worth noting, with the 480 TDP apparently only 250, thats lower then the 5970. So by your logic, the 5970 is worse then the 480 in power draw.
a c 125 U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 12:04:29 PM

gamerk316 said:
^^ Its worth noting, with the 480 TDP apparently only 250, thats lower then the 5970. So by your logic, the 5970 is worse then the 480 in power draw.

Your not looking at the bigger picture, the HD5970 is a fair bit faster than the GTX480 So by wattage vs FPS the 5970 is better.

waiting 6 months for 5-10% more performance isn't great. I'm dissapointed.
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 12:24:22 PM

^^ You're not looking at the bigger picture: 5970 is a dual GPU product. Also, it costs more and produces more heat. So we can't determine Price/Performance/Heat until we get benchmarks.

Also, people regularly wait 6 months and pay $300+ for a 10% increase; how much faster does anything think the 6000 series is going to be anyway? [/sarcasm]
March 19, 2010 12:39:10 PM

I am not sure there will be any price drops.

nVidia cards are +$50 / +$100 for +5/10% difference. Not to mention how hot / power hungry.

Plus they will be in very limited supply until or June so I dont think prices will drop at all
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 1:00:54 PM

rawsteel said:
I am not sure there will be any price drops.

nVidia cards are +$50 / +$100 for +5/10% difference. Not to mention how hot / power hungry.

Plus they will be in very limited supply until or June so I dont think prices will drop at all


To put the TDP numbers in perspective, the GTX 280 TDP was 236W (the 285 refresh was 204W). So even the GTX 480 has a simmilar TDP to the previous high end offering (236W v 250W). So I would expect temps to be around 280 levels or so.

Farthermore, do remember the HSF on the 5970 was designed to dissapate 400 TDP, as the 5970 runs against the 300W TDP limit to begin with (294W). Theres a perfect example of a cool card despite a blistering TDP rating. Lets wait and see how hot the cards get before blasting the TDP numbers, as by themselves, they simply measure power draw. For all we know, the 400 series also can dissipate 400W of power...

My point being, the 480 offers less performance then the 5970, but runs cooler and costs less. Isn't that the argument you all have been making the entire time in favor of buying ATI over NVIDIA? So based on those arguments, the 480 is a better buy.
March 19, 2010 1:09:45 PM

gamerk316 said:
To put the TDP numbers in perspective, the GTX 280 TDP was 236W (the 285 refresh was 204W). So even the GTX 480 has a simmilar TDP to the previous high end offering (236W v 250W). So I would expect temps to be around 280 levels or so.

Farthermore, do remember the HSF on the 5970 was designed to dissapate 400 TDP, as the 5970 runs against the 300W TDP limit to begin with (294W). Theres a perfect example of a cool card despite a blistering TDP rating. Lets wait and see how hot the cards get before blasting the TDP numbers, as by themselves, they simply measure power draw. For all we know, the 400 series also can dissipate 400W of power...

My point being, the 480 offers less performance then the 5970, but runs cooler and costs less. Isn't that the argument you all have been making the entire time in favor of buying ATI over NVIDIA? So based on those arguments, the 480 is a better buy.


Shouldn't we wait for benchmarks to make such decision ;) 

What if Fermi is 40% slower than 5970, runs about as hot or hotter, have almost same power draw and costs only $150 less , its not so clear "winner"

Everything will depend on how well they perform (andI doubt we will be positively surprised)
March 19, 2010 1:19:23 PM

Sweet looking card. Nvidia has created the single fastest GPU once again.

All they had to do was settle with horrible yields and get rooped in the mid range market to do it!
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 1:34:18 PM

Manicslayer said:
Sweet looking card. Nvidia has created the single fastest GPU once again.


Until you overclock your 5870...
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2010 1:45:11 PM

rawsteel said:
Shouldn't we wait for benchmarks to make such decision ;) 

What if Fermi is 40% slower than 5970, runs about as hot or hotter, have almost same power draw and costs only $150 less , its not so clear "winner"

Everything will depend on how well they perform (andI doubt we will be positively surprised)


Exactly. But its safe to say that both price and performance goes in the order of 5850 -> 470 -> 5870 -> 480 -> 5790. All thats left is Heat (not to be confused with TDP), and the overall performance ratios. Still, both cards are priced very competitivly, all things considered.

Quote:
Until you overclock your 5870...


Or until you OC the 480? The TDP is low enough where there is OC headroom, so until we know how much the chip itself can take, you're just guessing.
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