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April 9, 2010 6:44:28 AM

for rendering

Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus

6gb (triple) ddr3-1600 G.Skill PI (cl7)

500gb Caviar Blue (WD5000AAKS) 16mb

Corsair™ 750watts (TX750) TX Series

Sapphire HD 5770 1gb/128bit ddr5 Vapor X

LG™ 22x dvdrw dual layer sata ls lightscribe

Cooler Master Storm Scout (SGC-2000-KKN1) Gamer's Case atx Mesh Bezel w/o psu

Intel™ Core i7™ 930 2.88 ghz (quad core) 8mb 4.28 gt/s box (lga1366)

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April 9, 2010 8:27:52 AM

You video card is a huge bottleneck and your CPU is overkill. Downgrade the CPU to an i5-750 or Phenom II 955 and use the extra money to get a 5850 or 5870. Only get an I7 if you plan on cross firing 5870s.

If you want intel, I suggest grabbing a i5-750 with an Mugen 2 cooler as it will have alot of overclocking head room than the AMD system,but it will cost about $130+ more because of the added CPU and motherboard cost. The mugen 2 only cost about $45 and will cool better and do it quieter than the 212, just beware of its size.

Realistically though, I'd get a Phenom II 955 or 965 with the C3 stepping. This will probably save you $130+ in total cost because the motherboard and CPU are both cheaper.

Also don't waste money on that over expensive memory. Get standard 8-8-8-24 timing memory without the tall heatsinks so you don't have clearance issues. The difference between the timing is probably less than 1% and I've never had any issues with memory sticks getting hot anyways. I think it may be marketing.

Also, I love corsair too, but they're just too damn expensive. Get an OCZ Modxtreme 600W or 700W power supply. They're modular and you can get them as a combo deal with your WD blue 500GB hard drive and save $20. That brings the total cost to them to only $55 or $70. While I don't add them into the savings, you'll also get $25 back from either one in 8 weeks.

The case is good if you can get it with free shipping. You could also check out the antec 900, which includes 3 120MM and 200MM fan. The entire front is modular so you can arrange your harddrives and DVD however you like. I moved the 120MM fan up top, so it blows straight through the cooler and out the back. It does lack fan filters and if you want them, you'll have to put some really thin foam filters infront of the case, which will dim its LED fans. Or you could put the filters behind it, so at least you don't have to clean the entire system. Also everyone and their mother has the antec 900, so its not very unique looking unless you heavily mod it.
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April 9, 2010 8:35:34 AM

hmm stil an hd5850 would not help bring up my cpu? i thought 5770 are powerful vid cards at there price. hmm can u suggest a build? with price?
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April 9, 2010 8:46:06 AM

A 5850 or 5870 wouldn't help out your CPU, but it would provide faster rendering. The I7, I5-750, and Phenom 955 would all out pace a 5770 or even a 5850. So my advice is just to spend less on the CPU and instead get a faster video card for a more balanced system. I left names for everything just type them into newegg and you'll find the products.
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April 9, 2010 8:53:08 AM

yeah. im just in it for rendering, i use my 360 for playing games. well thanks for your replies appreciate it.
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April 9, 2010 9:14:52 AM

Actually, if you are doing serious rendering, instead of amateur "at home " work, the build is not bad. After all, you just need a video card good enough to put the pixels on the screen.

The hard drive, however, is too slow and too small. I'd recommend something like a 1 TB Seagate 7200.12.
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April 9, 2010 9:24:07 AM

they said 500gb 7200rpm are faster than 1tb 7200rpm. true? they mentioned something about single platters
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April 9, 2010 10:18:24 AM

The 500GB harddrives by Western Digital and seagate generaly have 3 players. I'd recommend Samsung spinpoints. They are the fastest common harddrives as shown by passmark. You can get the 500GB or the 1TB, they both have only 2 Platters.
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April 9, 2010 11:11:13 AM

i'd go with the samsung. hm any other else i would replace? psu? overkill? i wont be doing any crossfire
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April 9, 2010 11:25:05 AM

Serious rendering tends to call for both CPU and GPU power equally. In fact, some rendering programs will not even be able to truly take advantage of a GPU!

I'd keep the i7 930 and even contemplate OC'ing it. If you're serious, you should invest in a FireGL. The 5770 is an excellent card for the money though. After all, if it's for rendering, the speed boost of the 5850 or 5870 isn't worth it for the cost.

Yes, the PSU is a bit high, but it's not too high. 500W is where I'd aim, but that's somewhat tight.
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April 9, 2010 11:29:28 AM

yeah your right it dosent take advantge of the gpu. so 5770 is ok? thanks for the repply
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April 9, 2010 11:55:01 AM

There's little benefit from the i7. Tomshardware only recommends up to a I5-750. And only An i7 if you plan on SLI/Crossfiring video cards. I suggest grabbing an I5-750, a Mugen 2 cooler, and Aiming for 4GHz. You'll easily exceed the performance of a i7-930 and save a lot of cash in the process. The reasoning is at an I7 you've reached a very steep field of diminishing returns, so its very painful to fork out A LOT more money for such an unnoticeable performance difference. Video cards don't suffer from this as bad, So I recommended putting your extra $$ in that direction. But If you'd like you could spend just buy an I5-750 and a 5770 and pocket the rest. I think that will suite your needs just fine.
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April 9, 2010 1:38:32 PM

but. if i go with the i5 route the incomming 6core for intel is only compatible with lga 1366 so.. what do you think? i would w8?

also can a coolmaster hyper 212 achve 4ghz in the i5 750?
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April 10, 2010 11:28:00 AM

Well, I always sell my entire build anyways. It would probably be easier to just rebuild rather than trying to convince someone to buy a $200 used processor. I wouldn't suggest getting a 212 for 4GHz. If it could do it, it would be very loud. Mugen 2 is larger, but that allows it to passively cool and thus be quieter. Just make sure you get memory with regular heatsinks (not tall),and make sure you get rev.B which adds supports for the 1156 and 1366.
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April 10, 2010 11:34:55 AM

Oh btw, if you get a Hyper 212+ though, make sure you buy it from somewhere other than newegg. Newegg LOVES to crank up the prices on the cheap budget items. They've turned the cheaper hyper 212+ $26 cooler into a $42.56 purchase. Get it somewhere else. You can buy the mugen to for about $45.
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April 10, 2010 11:43:04 AM

can u give me a link for mugen??
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April 11, 2010 5:49:41 AM

thankss
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April 11, 2010 10:05:42 AM

killerhurts said:
There's little benefit from the i7. Tomshardware only recommends up to a I5-750.

You're thinking about gaming, not rendering, right? Check the charts on rendering... an i7-920 (slower than the 930) takes 30% less time than an i5-750.
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April 11, 2010 2:43:08 PM

30%? More like 13% or if we just say the 930 has a score of 160.5 its still only a 15% difference It depends if you consider it worth spending around $150 more for only on for an entire 15% difference. (less if the frequencies were equalized). Also, With a good cooler the I5-750 would be plenty of fast especially after being overclocked.
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April 11, 2010 3:17:39 PM

Yeah I was just about to post that. The i7 will make a HUGE difference, killerhurts is talking about gaming with the reccomendation. If you live near a microcenter they have i7s really cheap right now. Also Frys has the Antec 900 for 70 if you were going that route.

What programs are you using? Telling us exactly what you were planning on will give us a better idea of how to recommend. For instance, CS5 would probably be better off using a Nvidia card.
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April 11, 2010 5:30:46 PM

Wow, CRAZY price!! They're usually around $290. Definitely grab it. There's no Microcenter here :(  The motherboard will still be more expensive, but I think it will be worth it. The case as well. How did you find these deals?
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April 11, 2010 6:00:16 PM

killerhurts said:
There's little benefit from the i7. Tomshardware only recommends up to a I5-750. And only An i7 if you plan on SLI/Crossfiring video cards. I suggest grabbing an I5-750, a Mugen 2 cooler, and Aiming for 4GHz. You'll easily exceed the performance of a i7-930 and save a lot of cash in the process. The reasoning is at an I7 you've reached a very steep field of diminishing returns, so its very painful to fork out A LOT more money for such an unnoticeable performance difference. Video cards don't suffer from this as bad, So I recommended putting your extra $$ in that direction. But If you'd like you could spend just buy an I5-750 and a 5770 and pocket the rest. I think that will suite your needs just fine.


1. Rendering is quite CPU intensive. If the application is able to take advantage of the extra cores/threads, the i7 will win hands down. For example,Autodesk Studio used for Renderings,etc is optimized for multi core.

2. The Mugan 2 is a good choice, but there are other cheaper options and with the correct fans, are pretty quiet.

3. Realize that the i7 920/930 can also be OCed to ~3.8-4Ghz with HT giving it a total of 8 threads.

4. Agreed on the GPU.

@OP:
If your going with a CAD/rendering set up I HIGHLY recommend you go the AM3 route. The reason being is the 6 core AM3 CPUs are suppose to be quite cheap ($200-$300(for the unlocked)) and should offer a noticeable performance over the i5.
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April 11, 2010 8:58:16 PM

killerhurts said:
30%? More like 13%

Doh! Yeah, I was looking at the i5-750s, not the i5-750.
But yes, even without the Microcenter deal it'd easily be worth $150 more to me to get a 15% performance boost if that's the main thing I'm buying my PC to do.
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April 12, 2010 1:24:44 AM

Im using google sketch up and rendering with idx rendetioner and kekythea.
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April 12, 2010 1:29:14 AM

Shadow703793 said:

If your going with a CAD/rendering set up I HIGHLY recommend you go the AM3 route.


suggest a spec? will it really be fsater than core i7? 6core, when will it arive?
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April 12, 2010 3:11:39 AM

^ The hex core Phenom II X6 won't arrive until end of Q2 2010. You can get a cheap X2 now and get the 6 core later for ~$200-300 (for the BE version).

Before I suggest specs:

1. What kind of rendering detail,size,etc?

2. Pro level work?

3. Max budget?

4. OCing?

5. What software/plug ins? Are they CUDA accelerated?
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April 12, 2010 5:02:03 AM

1. 2000x2000(something like that. detail max. needed for presentations. my father is an architech
2.no i just help him render some of his work. for him to present im just at home. im aged 14
3. $1200 or lesssssss
4.a little. im practcing it. i got my core 2 duo e7500 on 3.5ghz on stock cooler.
5.NO im using sketch up. using kerkyhthea and idx renditioner
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April 12, 2010 2:24:10 PM

For a $1200 budget:

ASUS AM3 790X EVO

Phenom II X3 OR Athlon II X2( upgrade to X6 later in Q2 2010)

8GB DDR3 1600 (Get 2x GSkill Ripjaws DDR3 1600)

A good case like a HAF 922,etc

2x 500GB Samsung F3s in RAID0 for OS/scratch disk,etc

1x 1TB Samsung for DATA

Corsair 650TX or similar quality PSU at or above 600W

Current/last gen nVidia Quaddro OR (get a old 8800GTS/GTX and softmodd it to a Quaddro for ~$50-60).

A Hyper 212+ for OCing

That should total up to ~$900-1000 or so.

Of course, you can go the Intel route, but imo, with the cheap price of the future X6 CPUs (~$200 base), there is no reason not to get an AM3 for a build like this.
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April 13, 2010 1:40:06 AM

ok thanks shadow.
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April 13, 2010 5:05:10 AM

For rendering keep your original i7 rig, most rendering application are sadly optimized for the i7 so even the new phenom 6 core cpu wont beat the i7 for rendering task. The only thing i would change in your i7 build is to get 12gb of memory instead of a bit slower memory kit. As rendering apps dont gain alot from higher memory frequency but more from higher amount of ram. So better get more ram than faster ram. As for gpu, if your rendering apps use cuda core, get a nvidia gpu, it will help ALOT!!!. Best bang for buck choice would be a gtx470.
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April 13, 2010 10:16:36 AM

12GB? What brand?cl9?cl7? please specify
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April 13, 2010 2:04:55 PM

snorojr said:
For rendering keep your original i7 rig, most rendering application are sadly optimized for the i7 so even the new phenom 6 core cpu wont beat the i7 for rendering task. The only thing i would change in your i7 build is to get 12gb of memory instead of a bit slower memory kit. As rendering apps dont gain alot from higher memory frequency but more from higher amount of ram. So better get more ram than faster ram. As for gpu, if your rendering apps use cuda core, get a nvidia gpu, it will help ALOT!!!. Best bang for buck choice would be a gtx470.

Your an idiot for saying the best bang for buck for CUDA is GTX470. 75% of the CUDA DP cores are DISABLED in the GTX470/480 compared to the workstation/Tesla cards.
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=164417&st=...

As for the CPU:
Yes, the i7 is faster but a Phenom II X4 965 is about the same as the i7 920 for his budget/purpose there is no point in getting a mid-high end workstation like set up.. When taking the motherboard,etc in to account, its quite a bit cheaper: Tom's Hardware - Benchmark i7 920 vs X4 965 BE

For 2000x2000 renderings 8GB is plenty.
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April 13, 2010 4:23:57 PM

Shadow703793 said:
Your an idiot for saying the best bang for buck for CUDA is GTX470. 75% of the CUDA DP cores are DISABLED in the GTX470/480 compared to the workstation/Tesla cards.
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=164417&st=...

As for the CPU:
Yes, the i7 is faster but a Phenom II X4 965 is about the same as the i7 920 for his budget/purpose there is no point in getting a mid-high end workstation like set up.. When taking the motherboard,etc in to account, its quite a bit cheaper: Tom's Hardware - Benchmark i7 920 vs X4 965 BE

For 2000x2000 renderings 8GB is plenty.



No need to flame snorojr and call him an idiot, that was absolutely unnecessary.
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April 13, 2010 5:18:46 PM

take time to read again my post, most rendering apps are optimized for the corei7 archtitecture so yes the phenom II way is cheaper but for not alot he can get a better platform, also new fermi tesla card are not here and they will mostly cost alot but if the op can afford it than yes, he should get a tesla fermi-based card.
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April 13, 2010 8:51:52 PM

snorojr said:
take time to read again my post, most rendering apps are optimized for the corei7 archtitecture so yes the phenom II way is cheaper but for not alot he can get a better platform, also new fermi tesla card are not here and they will mostly cost alot but if the op can afford it than yes, he should get a tesla fermi-based card.

Umm.... not really. The programs are not really "optimized" for i7s. The thing is, the Intel has a better arch than AMD right now hands down. Fact still stands that you DON'T need a 4xx card for a rendering set up. What OP needs is a workstation/Tesla card and even then, there are only a VERY FEW plug ins that use CUDA (ie RUINS,FurryBall) the saved money could be used for more RAM, HDD/SSD,etc. For the OP's needs an AMD X4 is fine there is no reason he should spend more unless this is going to be used as a main rendering system.

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April 13, 2010 9:00:52 PM

Here is a (full is 2000x2000 with max AA,etc) using Inventor Studio on a E2180 @3Ghz:
Inventor_Rend by shadow703793, on Flickr

Not the greatest rendering (still need to apply material, correct lighting,etc) but it took only 518 seconds.
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April 13, 2010 9:38:06 PM

ok big mistake by me, i never saw the budget of the op, it thought it was more like 2000-2500$ which was enough to consider a fermi gpu and a i7.

So for 1200$ i would suggest the same thing as shadow except for some little thing. If you dont overclock too much, the amd stock heatsink are said to be very good compared to the tiny heatsink give with their cpu. Also you could a couple of buck with a antec 300 or 200, they are very cheap, can support quite a bit of fan. It all mostly depend on your taste as to which you want to get.
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April 13, 2010 10:17:33 PM

^ It's all good. ANd I apologize for calling you an idiot.
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April 14, 2010 5:35:09 AM

yeah. i notice that gpu dosent take advantage in rendering. also fermi cost a lot ang heats ALOT. sooo what brand of ddr3 ram???? also can i go with a i7 860?? with a asus III formula?? it cost more right? ROG mobo is cool though
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April 14, 2010 10:06:38 AM

I'd go with whatever *good* DDR3 RAM that's on sale at the time. First preference goes to Kingston, Crucial, and Corsair for their reliability. Second preference goes towards OCZ, G-Skill, Patriot, and Mushkin for generally high-quality RAM.

Yes, you can go with the i7 860 - you'll still get four cores and eight threads. The main difference is that you trade off some future upgradability and triple-channel RAM for less heat (more efficiency), higher RAM speed w/o OC, and significantly lower cost. The 860 sits right in-between the 920 and 930. I personally find the increased RAM speed w/o OC to compensate for the lack of triple-channel, which the benefits are questionable anyways. The savings, however, are very significant!

And yes, you will need a different motherboard for the i7 860 -- those use LGA 1156 sockets.
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April 14, 2010 2:04:31 PM

^+1 for GSkill, Patriot and Mushkin. I tend to avoid the DDR3 OCZ RAM as they tend to have compatibility issues.
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April 14, 2010 2:41:40 PM

^+2 g skill.. hmm finalize my build. can anyone help?
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April 14, 2010 4:47:01 PM

^ Post the specs of your planned final build.
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April 15, 2010 9:31:01 AM

Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus

6gb (triple) ddr3-1600 G.Skill PI (CL7)

500gb Caviar Blue (WD5000AAKS) 16mb

Corsair™ 650watts (TX650) TX Series

Sapphire HD 5770 1gb/128bit ddr5 Vapor X

LG™ 22x dvdrw dual layer sata ls lightscribe

Antec 300 The Versatile Case

Intel™ Core i7™ 930 2.88 ghz (quad core) 8mb 4.28 gt/s box (lga1366)
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