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April 10, 2010 2:42:54 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 1 to 2 week
BUDGET RANGE: less than 1500 before tax
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: +++Gaming, surfing, movies
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Mouse, keyboard, monitor (depend on the price)
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: ncix, newegg, directcanada
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Canada
PARTS PREFERENCES: RAM (Corsair), doesn't really mather
OVERCLOCKING: Yes
CROSSFIRE: Maybe
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080+
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I also need windows (XP SP3 or 7??). Water cooling (corsair H50) for the CPU or Fan?

He is what I found:
ASUS Radeon HD 5770 1GB DDR5 PCI-E VGA DVI-I HDMI Video Card (Twice)


Corsair XMS3 TW3X4G1333C9 4GB DDR3 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL 9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory Kit


Western Digital WD WD10EALS Caviar Blue 1TB SATA 3GB/S 7200RPM 32MB Cache 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM (500 gb and 1TB should be good)


Coolit Systems Eco CPU Water Cooling System AUTO-REGULATED & Maintenance Free LGA1366/1156/775/AM3
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=50327

Intel Core i5 750 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.66GHZ 8MB Cache Retail Box
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42499

Coolermaster Haf 922 Mid Tower ATX Case Black 5X5.25 5X3.5INT Front Audio USB eSATA No PSU
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38996

Gigabyte P55A-UD3 ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E 2PCI RAID GBLAN CrossFireX USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46237

ASUS PCI-G31 Wireless Network Adapter 802.11G 54MBPS PCI
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=43639

Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 140MM Fan
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26415&promoi...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45271

Liteon IHOS104 4X BLU-RAY Reader BD-ROM Drive SATA Black Retail Box
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=48084

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That's what I found for my build. If you have any comments or suggestions I'm very open (don't mind changing for AMD, Nvidia, etc, I just want a good build performance/build for gaming).

Do you think that this motherboard would handle well Crossfire?

Thanks.

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April 10, 2010 4:24:16 PM

Couple of Recommendations:
  • HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - One of the fastest non-SSD hard drives you can purchase.
  • HSF: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - Stick with Air unless you plan on 4.3 GHz plus overclocks on a 24/7 system... IMO
  • RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws 4GB (2X2GB) DDR3-1600 - Same price with tighter timings...

    Go with Windows 7 for all new builds... IMO!!
    You can drop your power supply down to the Corsair TX650 and still have plenty of power for your system.
    Your motherboard isn't good for a Crossfire setup (16x,4x). You want a motherboard with at least a 8x,8x setup for Crossfire.
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    April 10, 2010 4:27:40 PM

    Alright thanks, would you have a motherboard suggestion? or any brand in particular?
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    April 10, 2010 5:12:31 PM

    I would go with the ASUS P7P55D-E Pro, specially with the possible savings I listed.
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    April 10, 2010 5:24:43 PM

    tecmo34 said:
    Couple of Recommendations:
  • HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - One of the fastest non-SSD hard drives you can purchase.
  • HSF: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - Stick with Air unless you plan on 4.3 GHz plus overclocks on a 24/7 system... IMO
  • RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws 4GB (2X2GB) DDR3-1600 - Same price with tighter timings...

    Go with Windows 7 for all new builds... IMO!!
    You can drop your power supply down to the Corsair TX650 and still have plenty of power for your system.
    Your motherboard isn't good for a Crossfire setup (16x,4x). You want a motherboard with at least a 8x,8x setup for Crossfire.

  • +1.

    To expand on that: The CoolIt,H50,etc doesn't do any/much better than many of the "Big" air coolers (ie TRUE, Mega, S1283, Core Contact,212+,etc). If you want REAL water cooling, it will cost you ~$250 (USD) easily.


    Imo, for a gaming build, I'd personally go with an AM3 sand save a bunch of money. An Athlon X3/X4 can be had quite cheap.

    One more thing: If you plan to play games at 1920x1080, you probably want to get a 5850/5870 or so.
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    April 10, 2010 6:44:34 PM

    I agree on going with the Hyper 212 air cooler unless you really want to get nuts on OCing :) 

    Ripjaws, good buy.

    The Gigabyte P55 board you listed is a good board. However, take note that P55 boards generally do not work well with Crossfire. Depending on the particular board, the second PCI-E x16 can be crippled by the 3.0 USB and/or SATA 6gb/s. I'm not too sure on that ASUS, but AFAIK it's an issue with all P55 boards. The Gigabyte one though definitely only runs at x4 electrical on the second PCI-E x16 in Crossfire, so that eliminates it as a realistic CF board imo.

    I agree on going with a 5850 or 5870 if your purpose is gaming. There are three things to consider here:

    1) Get a more expensive motherboard to ensure you can use at least x8/x8 Crossfire down the road, and get a 5850.
    2) Go with a cheaper board that still has 3.0 USB and 6gbs SATA and get a 5870, with no plan to CF later.
    3) Go AMD and save even more money on a Quad and Motherboard. Get a 5870, with no plan to CF later.

    Options 2 and 3 allow you to save $ now and reinvest in 2-3 years, if and when you feel the 5870 isn't up to it anymore and just get a new card. Option 1 will cost you more now but allows you to just try and find a cheap 5850 down the road (but don't wait too long, already 4870's are getting harder to find at reasonable prices).

    So it just depends on which way you want to flex your budget. Personally if gaming is the focus, I'd just get an AMD Quad, OC that with the Hyper 212, Get the $90 Gigabyte UD3 motherboardboard with usb 3.0 and Sata 6s, and a 5870.

    Oh and you can also drop down to an Antec Earthwatts 500 or 650W PSU (whatever is on sale, usually one of the two is) if you just use the 1 vid card.

    Also, not sure how often you buy from NCIX. But make sure you use the manufacturer's part # on their product pages to pricematch! Use shopbot.ca and/or pricebat.ca and search using the product #. Will give you Canadian results and you use those links to PM on NCIX's checkout page. Can save a good chunk of coin doing this ;)  Product has to be in stock at both stores though, and any 3% cash discounts don't work for PM (gotta use the reg or sale price).

    Good luck!
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    April 10, 2010 7:51:07 PM

    So it would be cheaper to go with amd?
    is this a good one?


    Is it good for overclocking? (with hyper 212)

    With this motherboard
    GIGABYTE GA-770TA-UD3 AM3 AMD 770 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail


    What memory should I take to go with this board? still G.Skill?

    And if I want to stay with intel, any good motherboard for the i5 that can do well with Crossfire?

    thank you very much.
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    April 10, 2010 8:39:19 PM

    ^Yes, that set up will work. And yes, still use the GSkill Ripjaws.

    Imo, I wouldn't get an Intel set up unless you want the i7 where HT will help your programs (ie vid editing).

    Also, when posting you don't need the URL tags at the front/back. Just paste the link.
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    April 10, 2010 9:03:10 PM

    ASUS Radeon HD 5770 - I'd go with one 5850 and then move up later.

    Corsair XMS3 TW3X4G1333C9 - CAS 9 is a bit slow and DDR3-133 will limit your OC potential....many CAS 7's DDR3-1600's at this price range
    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=EN...

    I'd avoid the RAM modules w/ the tall heat spreaders (i.e. the dominators and some from Gskill) as they often interfere w/ HSF's. I haven't had a problem w/ the Mushkin coolers as yet but unless you doing serius OC's, ones w/o any heat spreaders will do just fine.

    Hard Drives - Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The 2 TB WD Black and XT from Seagate are good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):

    (http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)

    Look at the tests that reflect your usage and choose accordingly.

    Coolit Systems Eco CPU Water Cooling System - Not impressed. A good air cooler will top its performance and be less headaches. For performance and ease of installation, the Prolimatech Megahalems fits both criteria.

    If that's a budget breaker, look at the Xigmnatec S1283 or one of the others here:
    http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Heatsinks
    http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSI...
    http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

    pick a TIM from the top few here:
    http://www.hwreviewlabs.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/therma...
    http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

    Gigabyte P55A-UD3 ATX LGA1156 P55 - Asus boards don't have their ESB 3 / SATA III crippled when adding a 2nd GFX card.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/usb-3.0-performance...

    Gigabyte’s P55A-UD4P cuts costs by using the processor’s PCIe 2.0 connections to host its high-bandwidth controllers. Two of the primary graphics card’s 16 PCIe lanes supply its USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 Gb/s controllers, and Gigabyte disables six more lanes to make the upper slot an effective x8 interface. The USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 Gb/s controllers revert to the chipset’s 2.5 GT/s lanes whenever two graphics cards are installed, to preserve the x8 transfers each graphics card needs for optimal CrossFire or SLI performance

    Thus, users with a single graphics card must sacrifice half of its peak bandwidth to enable 5.0 Gb transfers to the USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 Gb/s controllers, while those with two cards must live with 2.5 Gb/s bandwidth limits on USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 Gb/s controllers. Neither of these sacrifices is huge or even noticeable on most of today’s hardware, yet anyone trying to future-proof their system could be left cold.


    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

    Corsair TX750W 750W - Overclocking w/ twin GFX cards, I'd recommend a HX series from Corsair
    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

    ....alternate would be a CP-850 from Antec but that would requires a case change.
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    April 10, 2010 9:57:14 PM

    I think I made my choice, I'll go for the AMD with 2 5770 (cheaper). Any other suggestions? I could have this build for around 1400+tax. Do you think that the Crossfire cards will obstruct the pci slot for the wireless adapter?


    ASUS Radeon HD 5770 1GB DDR5 PCI-E VGA DVI-I HDMI Video Card *IR-$15*

    Coolermaster Haf 922 Mid Tower ATX Case Black 5X5.25 5X3.5INT Front Audio USB eSATA No PSU

    ASUS PCI-G31 Wireless Network Adapter 802.11G 54MBPS PCI

    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM

    Liteon IHOS104 4X BLU-RAY Reader BD-ROM Drive SATA Black Retail Box

    AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Quad Core Processor AM3 3.4GHZ 8MB Cache 125W 45NM Retail Box

    Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA775 LGA1156 120MM

    ASUS M4A78T-E ATX 790GX Socket AM3 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 2PCI HDMI Video Sound GBLAN Motherboard

    Coolermaster GX 750W 80+ Power Supply SLI ATX12V V2.31 24PIN Active PFC PCI-E 120MM Fan

    Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB SATA2 3.5IN 8.5MS 7200RPM 32MB Hard Drive OEM *3YR MFR Warranty*

    G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ PC3-12800 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit




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    April 10, 2010 10:06:58 PM

    Don't limit yourself by getting two 5770's to start. I agree with the rest of the group and get yourself one 5850 (cheaper than two 5770's) and look to upgrade down the road when your system has issues with games.
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    April 10, 2010 10:20:21 PM

    Oh, and is it longer than 5770? Would it fit haah
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    April 10, 2010 10:22:01 PM

    For ATI GPU's... XFX is the way to go, so I have no issues with that GPU...
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    April 10, 2010 10:24:12 PM

    You case will fit the ATI 5970... so yes... It will fit!! :) 
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    April 10, 2010 10:51:32 PM

    Yes, it has 52V on the a single 12V rail, which is strong enough for two 5850's, along with it comes with enough PCIe connectors, which most 650W PSU don't. Plus, you are getting a good combo deal with it. If you don't get the XFX, stick with the Corsair... don't get the CoolerMaster PSU (they aren't the best of PSU brands...)
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    April 11, 2010 12:40:11 AM

    ^ 52V on the +12 rail!?!?!? :lol:  (Should be 52A). And +1 for XFX, Corsair and a single 5850 (so you can CrossFire when prices drop later).
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    April 11, 2010 12:47:08 AM

    ^+1...

    Yeah, a little typo-o on my part (52V on a 12V Rail) :lol: 
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    April 11, 2010 1:22:23 AM

    Looking good with the PSU and 5850.

    If you're ordering everything from NCIX, don't forget to do the pricematching :)  and if you live in Ontario or further out east, definitely check the shipping cost with and without the case because they can jack up shipping costs from BC (where NCIX is). Just buy the case locally from Canada Computers or something if it brings up the shipping cost too much.

    Oh and also, I think the HAF comes with fans everywhere except the side. So you may or may not want to grab an extra 200mm fan for that (or 2x 120mm if I remember correctly).

    Enjoy your new rig!
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    April 11, 2010 1:29:48 AM

    w00t w00t, the guy will process my order on Monday, and apparently the shipping is free over 300$. The build is 1370 before taxes with all the pricematching (I saved almost 200$). Can't wait to build it and start it!

    i built a computer 3 years ago with a friend, I should be able to do this one on my own.. I hope :S.. It'll be interesting
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    April 11, 2010 1:37:01 AM

    Sounds like a solid build... Have FUN!!!

    If you get into trouble with your build, review my Step-by-Step Guide in my signature. It will help guide you through your build, if needed :) 
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    April 11, 2010 1:38:07 AM

    Already read it hehe, it did help. I'll read as much as possible in the next week and I can't wait :D .

    Thanks to everyone for your input!
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    April 12, 2010 9:11:40 AM

    I would go with the 5870... A more powerful GPU!
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    April 13, 2010 1:15:22 AM

    ^ Pretty good card, good choice.
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    April 13, 2010 1:17:57 AM

    It looks like a good card... Wish I had one or two :( 

    I guess I'll wait for Nvidia to finally get a new card with it (someday I hope :)  )
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    April 13, 2010 1:18:05 AM

    I wasn't too sure about Powercolor, but I read only good reviews, I only hope that it'll fit in my case and motherboard haha..
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    April 23, 2010 1:00:36 AM

    Best answer selected by puckhead1989.
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    April 23, 2010 1:02:49 AM

    Thanks to everyone, I installed everything, from A to Z in about 2 hours + installation of Win7. Everything is working incredibly fine! love it! I just need to find the good voltage and core speed for the 965 and the 5870 and to find it in the bios lol. I'm scared to start the computer with the wrong setup and fry it.

    anyway, thanks to everyone!
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